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Rivermist
July 16th 03, 07:55 PM
after the recent fatality in a race, are helmets now mandatory?

Sonarrat
July 16th 03, 07:59 PM
"Rivermist" > wrote in message
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> after the recent fatality in a race, are helmets now mandatory?

Yes. After Andrei Kivilev's untimely death, helmets are now mandatory in all
major Tours, except on the final climb of a mountain stage longer than a certain
length.

-Sonarrat.

archer
July 17th 03, 01:08 PM
In article >, Kevan Smith
/\/\> says...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:59:02 -0700, "Sonarrat" > from
> http://www.snowleopard.org/ wrote:
>
> >"Rivermist" > wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]
> >
> >> after the recent fatality in a race, are helmets now mandatory?
> >
> >Yes. After Andrei Kivilev's untimely death, helmets are now mandatory in all
> >major Tours, except on the final climb of a mountain stage longer than a certain
> >length.
>
> Which is a ridiculous exception. There's no reason at all to even rewuire foam
> hats save to make spectators feel better. They certainly don't make the riders
> any safer.

Well, they obviously think they do, and I agree.

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The Causey Way
July 17th 03, 02:22 PM
"Sonarrat" > wrote in message
...
, except on the final climb of a mountain stage longer than a certain
> length.
>
>

5 km

Sonarrat
July 17th 03, 05:48 PM
"Karen M." > wrote in message
om...

> Sonarrat wrote:

> > Yes. After Andrei Kivilev's untimely death, helmets are now mandatory in
all
> > major Tours, except on the final climb of a mountain stage longer than a
> > certain length.

> Interesting that they're allowed to unfasten the chin straps while
> climbing, like that makes one degree of difference.
> Sponsors need to check their billboard allocation. Little
> helmet-strip-width logos all over the 'lids!

Why do you think the camera bikes try to get so close? :)

-Sonarrat.

W K
July 17th 03, 09:42 PM
"Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
...

> That's the thing about foam hats. You only have to believe they work,
because
> all the really get tested to "protect" you from is about a six-foot fall
from a
> standstill.

There are a number of different scenarios where they will protect you.
Don't get me wrong - not enough to make me wear one when going a mile to the
shops or climbing a ladder, but still - Some cases where they will help.

> The rest is a mix of fashion and paranoia.

However mush is fashion [1] or paranoia, that does not mean that there is NO
BENEFIT as you have just stated.


[1] Cycling fashion? My bike is too cheap to impress roadies, they will not
be impressed by my helmet. My most bike-y of friends is the one that knows
to keep his tyres above 10 psi.

Sonarrat
July 18th 03, 01:20 AM
"W K" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
> ...
>
> > That's the thing about foam hats. You only have to believe they work,
> because
> > all the really get tested to "protect" you from is about a six-foot fall
> from a
> > standstill.
>
> There are a number of different scenarios where they will protect you.
> Don't get me wrong - not enough to make me wear one when going a mile to the
> shops or climbing a ladder, but still - Some cases where they will help.

Andrei Kivilev is dead. Tyler Hamilton is running in 5th place in the Tour de
France.

End of story.

-Sonarrat.

W K
July 18th 03, 09:22 AM
"Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:20:31 -0700, "Sonarrat" >
from
> http://www.snowleopard.org/ wrote:
>
> >Andrei Kivilev is dead. Tyler Hamilton is running in 5th place in the
Tour de
> >France.
> >
> >End of story.
>
> And you think it's becuase one wore a foam hat and the other didn't? Maybe
Tyler
> shoudl start wearing football shoulder pads, too. In fact, since breaking
a
> collar bone is the "cyclist injury," maybe we should all be wearing
shoulder
> pads.

?? proving you don't know what you are talking about.
Collar bones break when you put your arm out to break your fall. Shoulder
pads do not help.

Review Boy
July 18th 03, 01:37 PM
I think that the Flat Earth Society fellow, Kevan, is just toying with us.

"W K" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
> > And you think it's becuase one wore a foam hat and the other didn't?
Maybe
> Tyler
> > shoudl start wearing football shoulder pads, too. In fact, since
breaking
> a
> > collar bone is the "cyclist injury," maybe we should all be wearing
> shoulder
> > pads.
>
> ?? proving you don't know what you are talking about.
> Collar bones break when you put your arm out to break your fall. Shoulder
> pads do not help.

Robin Hubert
July 18th 03, 03:45 PM
"W K" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:20:31 -0700, "Sonarrat" >
> from
> > http://www.snowleopard.org/ wrote:
> >
> > >Andrei Kivilev is dead. Tyler Hamilton is running in 5th place in the
> Tour de
> > >France.
> > >
> > >End of story.
> >
> > And you think it's becuase one wore a foam hat and the other didn't?
Maybe
> Tyler
> > shoudl start wearing football shoulder pads, too. In fact, since
breaking
> a
> > collar bone is the "cyclist injury," maybe we should all be wearing
> shoulder
> > pads.
>
> ?? proving you don't know what you are talking about.
> Collar bones break when you put your arm out to break your fall. Shoulder
> pads do not help.
>

I'm afraid it's you who doesn't know what they're talking about.




--
Robin Hubert >

W K
July 18th 03, 04:39 PM
"Robin Hubert" > wrote in message
rthlink.net...
> "W K" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Kevan Smith" /\/\> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:20:31 -0700, "Sonarrat" >
> > from
> > > http://www.snowleopard.org/ wrote:
> > >
> > > >Andrei Kivilev is dead. Tyler Hamilton is running in 5th place in
the
> > Tour de
> > > >France.
> > > >
> > > >End of story.
> > >
> > > And you think it's becuase one wore a foam hat and the other didn't?
> Maybe
> > Tyler
> > > shoudl start wearing football shoulder pads, too. In fact, since
> breaking
> > a
> > > collar bone is the "cyclist injury," maybe we should all be wearing
> > shoulder
> > > pads.
> >
> > ?? proving you don't know what you are talking about.
> > Collar bones break when you put your arm out to break your fall.
Shoulder
> > pads do not help.
> >
>
> I'm afraid it's you who doesn't know what they're talking about.

What are you on about?
Figure out where your collar bone is.
I've not known many cyclists break one, but every one did it with an
outstretched arm.

Not very scientific, would you like to do better?

archer
July 18th 03, 05:50 PM
In article >,
says...
> In article >, says...
> >
> > "Sonarrat" > wrote
> > > Andrei Kivilev is dead. Tyler Hamilton is running in 5th place in the
> > Tour de
> > > France.
> > >
> > > End of story.
> > >
> >
> > Eddie Merckx (as well as many, many others) crashed and won, sans foamie.
> >
> > All crashes are different.
> >
> > End of story.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
>
> Greg Lemond got shot in the stomach by his brother and won a tour. Some
> crashes involve family members with shotguns, end of story :)
>
> By the way does anyone know if this helmet thing is a UCI rule or just a
> Tour rule? Because the Tour is run like a South Carolina golf club.
> I'm sure there are many more rules that people here wouldn't agree with.

I believe I read that it's a UCI rule...



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Lord, it's morning".

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jmk
July 18th 03, 06:13 PM
Chris Phillipo wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>>"Sonarrat" > wrote
>>
>>>Andrei Kivilev is dead. Tyler Hamilton is running in 5th place in the
>>
>>Tour de
>>
>>>France.
>>>
>>>End of story.
>>>
>>
>>Eddie Merckx (as well as many, many others) crashed and won, sans foamie.
>>
>>All crashes are different.
>>
>>End of story.
>>
>>Pete
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Greg Lemond got shot in the stomach by his brother and won a tour. Some
> crashes involve family members with shotguns, end of story :)
>
> By the way does anyone know if this helmet thing is a UCI rule or just a
> Tour rule? Because the Tour is run like a South Carolina golf club.
> I'm sure there are many more rules that people here wouldn't agree with.

Don't you mean a Georgia golf club? Like Augusta???

j

Jim Edgar
July 18th 03, 06:38 PM
Chris Phillipo at asks on 7/18/03 9:36 AM:

> By the way does anyone know if this helmet thing is a UCI rule or just a
> Tour rule? Because the Tour is run like a South Carolina golf club.
> I'm sure there are many more rules that people here wouldn't agree with.

UCI. The first major tour to incorporate it was this year's Giro D'Italia.


-- Jim

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Jim Edgar
July 18th 03, 06:38 PM
jmk at wrote on 7/18/03 10:13 AM:
>> By the way does anyone know if this helmet thing is a UCI rule or just a
>> Tour rule? Because the Tour is run like a South Carolina golf club.
>> I'm sure there are many more rules that people here wouldn't agree with.
>
> Don't you mean a Georgia golf club? Like Augusta???

I don't think it's very safe to ride with golf clubs, either.

-- Jim

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