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Rivermist
July 22nd 03, 12:40 PM
Some are saying Ulrich should have stopped and waited for Lance. I
disagree.

I would like to point out that what he did was to not attack and take
advantage of Lance. He rode at a reasonable pace, knowing Lance would catch
back up. This is the same thing Lance did not long before when Ulrich had a
flat and had to catch back up.

If Ulrich is guilty of anything for not stopping (which he is not), then
Lance is too.

Tim McTeague
July 22nd 03, 01:15 PM
I agree! Go read rec.bicycles.racing and there are plenty of rectal ports
criticizing everything the pros do. It seems each decent, sportsman-like
gesture is completely turned around and made to seem self serving. Tyler
imploring the others to wait for Lance is arrogant, Lance's pat on the back
of the breakaway rider is put down to ego, many comments that Tyler is on
major drugs just to be riding. The list goes on and on. These small,
human, gestures are what elevate cycling above most sporting events IMO. I
come away from this race with greater feelings of awe for Hamilton, respect
for Armstrong's ability to rise to the occasion when he is not at his usual
peak, and the feeling that Ullrich is a class act. My dream podium order
for this 100th Tour would be Armstrong, Ullrich and Hamilton, 1-2-3. The
Luz Ardiden stage was the most exciting I have ever seen and still many just
want to pick apart the players.

Tim McTeague


"Rivermist" > wrote in message
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> Some are saying Ulrich should have stopped and waited for Lance. I
> disagree.
>
> I would like to point out that what he did was to not attack and take
> advantage of Lance. He rode at a reasonable pace, knowing Lance would
catch
> back up. This is the same thing Lance did not long before when Ulrich had
a
> flat and had to catch back up.
>
> If Ulrich is guilty of anything for not stopping (which he is not), then
> Lance is too.
>
>
>
>
>

Mark Hickey
July 23rd 03, 01:18 AM
"Tim McTeague" > wrote:

>I agree! Go read rec.bicycles.racing and there are plenty of rectal ports
>criticizing everything the pros do. It seems each decent, sportsman-like
>gesture is completely turned around and made to seem self serving. Tyler
>imploring the others to wait for Lance is arrogant, Lance's pat on the back
>of the breakaway rider is put down to ego, many comments that Tyler is on
>major drugs just to be riding. The list goes on and on. These small,
>human, gestures are what elevate cycling above most sporting events IMO. I
>come away from this race with greater feelings of awe for Hamilton, respect
>for Armstrong's ability to rise to the occasion when he is not at his usual
>peak, and the feeling that Ullrich is a class act. My dream podium order
>for this 100th Tour would be Armstrong, Ullrich and Hamilton, 1-2-3. The
>Luz Ardiden stage was the most exciting I have ever seen and still many just
>want to pick apart the players.

Which is why I no longer frequent r.b.r. - the signal to troll ratio
is exceedingly low. This tour is one for the ages - and it's not over
yet. Great stuff.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Tim McTeague
July 23rd 03, 01:58 AM
Mark and Bill,

What a breath of fresh air. Sane, lucid and polite posts! I made the
mistake of reading r.b.r. just now and some jerk was calling Tyler to task
for "theatrics" when he tried to get the group to slow down after Lance's
crash. My guess is he was not sure they knew the yellow jersey hit the
pavement and wanted to make sure they did. This is the best tour in a very
long time. Guess I'll have to look in other groups for posts that don't
make my blood boil.

Tim McTeague

"Bill Davidson" > wrote in message
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> "Tim McTeague" > wrote:
> >>I agree! Go read rec.bicycles.racing and there are plenty of rectal
ports
> >>criticizing everything the pros do. It seems each decent,
sportsman-like
> >>gesture is completely turned around and made to seem self serving.
>
> Mark Hickey wrote:
> > Which is why I no longer frequent r.b.r. - the signal to troll ratio
> > is exceedingly low. This tour is one for the ages - and it's not over
> > yet. Great stuff.
>
> Yeah. I remember trying to convince the rec.bicycles people to split
> off the racing people to their own group something like 13-15 years ago
> but failing. I actually stopped reading rec.bicycles for a few years
> there and of course, that's when it was finally split up :) :( . Racing
> seems to bring out the worst in cyclists. I've been looking at r.b.r
> lately because of the tour and Lance and it's the same old ****; different
> decade. It's like a whole group of Fabrizios. :P
>
> Great tour though. This one is far from over and it's anybody's guess
> who will win.
>
> --Bill Davidson
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>

Patrick Lamb
July 23rd 03, 03:02 AM
Mark Hickey wrote:
> Which is why I no longer frequent r.b.r. - the signal to troll ratio
> is exceedingly low. This tour is one for the ages - and it's not over
> yet. Great stuff.

You mean r.b.r has a signal? I musta missed it!

Pat

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David L. Johnson
July 23rd 03, 08:06 PM
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:39:02 +0000, Bill Davidson wrote:

> to bring out the worst in cyclists. I've been looking at r.b.r lately
> because of the tour and Lance and it's the same old ****; different
> decade. It's like a whole group of Fabrizios. :P

I think Fab comes out well in comparison.

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Mark Hickey
July 23rd 03, 08:53 PM
(Karen M.) wrote:

>Pat wrote:
>> You mean r.b.r has a signal? I musta missed it!
>
> Some of their stuff is pretty funny. One thread highlights great
>quotes from OLM's color commentators. Another wiseacre suggests that
>if you're gonna slip off your pedal and smash into the top tube,
>having survived T-cancer ain't all bad.

Funnier yet, Lance never actually hit the top tube, making the whole
point kinda moot.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Sorni
July 24th 03, 12:19 AM
"Mark Hickey" > wrote in message
...
> (Karen M.) wrote:
>
> >Pat wrote:
> >> You mean r.b.r has a signal? I musta missed it!
> >
> > Some of their stuff is pretty funny. One thread highlights great
> >quotes from OLM's color commentators. Another wiseacre suggests that
> >if you're gonna slip off your pedal and smash into the top tube,
> >having survived T-cancer ain't all bad.
>
> Funnier yet, Lance never actually hit the top tube, making the whole
> point kinda moot.

Sure could've fooled me! When they showed it in super slow motion, his foot
slipped off pedal and he went a little sideways, but then he tried to regain
balance and came down full force on the tt (which is when the announcers
both said "Ooooooooooooohhh!").

Suffered a little nuttus withdrawus just looking at it, Bill

St Canard
July 24th 03, 01:01 AM
In article >, Sorni wrote:
> "Mark Hickey" > wrote in message

>> Funnier yet, Lance never actually hit the top tube, making the whole
>> point kinda moot.
>
> Sure could've fooled me! When they showed it in super slow motion, his foot
> slipped off pedal and he went a little sideways, but then he tried to regain
> balance and came down full force on the tt (which is when the announcers
> both said "Ooooooooooooohhh!").
>
> Suffered a little nuttus withdrawus just looking at it, Bill

Actually, if you watch carefully he stops an inch or two above the
bar. At least that's what the video on OLN looked like.

I couldn't imagine attacking on a climb like that if I had "just about
lost my manhood" as Sherwin so nicely put it...

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David L. Johnson
July 24th 03, 02:41 AM
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:19:54 +0000, Sorni wrote:

> Sure could've fooled me! When they showed it in super slow motion, his
> foot slipped off pedal and he went a little sideways, but then he tried to
> regain balance and came down full force on the tt (which is when the
> announcers both said "Ooooooooooooohhh!").

The way I saw it, he never did quite hit the top tube, which shows some
skill. I will leave aside the tasteless jokes about his cancer

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