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zod
August 22nd 03, 03:58 PM
Maybe I still have to get used to long cranks, but I always seem to be
riding off-camber, either leaning to the left a little or to the right.
I can never seem to be perfectly upright for very long. I personally
think it is caused from riding on knobbies. A smooth wheel stays
constant across the surface, but if you get off the middle knobs on a
knobbie you have a straight transition to the next set of knobs.
Would lowering my tire pressure possibly help so that the crown of my
tire would flatten out a little bit (I am running about 30-35 psi right
now)????

Or is this normal and I will move beyond it soon enough?


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Krashin'Kenny
August 22nd 03, 04:27 PM
If you are running a Gazz, I would definately lower the pressure. I run
mine @16-18 psi and I weigh 180. I've found that when I first got my
Muni (and had about 30 psi in the tire), it was almost uncontrollable


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jason
August 22nd 03, 04:39 PM
zod wrote:
> *Would lowering my tire pressure possibly help so that the crown of my
> tire would flatten out a little bit (I am running about 30-35 psi
> right now)????*


I have a KH24 with a Gazz tire and I've observed that there are two main
factors for controlling the beast. These rules may apply to other 24x3
downhill tires as well.

1) Tire pressure
Lower pressure seems to increase control. I consider 30-35 to be quite
high. Start lowering pressure until you find a comfort zone.

2) Terrain
The Gazz doesn't like paved roads but loves to ride in the woods.

Lastly, it will likely take a few weeks to get used to riding the KH24
for all the reasons you can imagine... new tire/rim size, crank length,
pedals, different saddle etc.


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Krashin'Kenny
August 22nd 03, 05:02 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention how the Gazz doesn't like pavement (as
Jason mentioned). Put it in the dirt, it makes a world of difference in
the way it performs!!


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zod
August 22nd 03, 05:09 PM
I am running the DURO not the gazz......

Once I wear out the DURO I am going to put on a good hybrid tire because
I ride pavement as much as I ride dirt.
Eventually I will get a uni just for street but I'll have to wait a
while or my wife will kill me.


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Gumbo
August 22nd 03, 05:26 PM
Anyone bought a KH24 in/into the UK?

I'm thinking of getting something along those lines, but it looks like
it might end up being the new Onza Muni. If there is a way to get the
KH24 without paying waaaaay over the odds, I'd definatly be interested.


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Krashin'Kenny
August 22nd 03, 07:35 PM
zod wrote:
> *I am running the DURO not the gazz......
>
> Once I wear out the DURO I am going to put on a good hybrid tire
> because I ride pavement as much as I ride dirt.
> Eventually I will get a uni just for street but I'll have to wait a
> while or my wife will kill me. *


I'd still recommend dropping the tire pressure first


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chirokid
August 22nd 03, 08:23 PM
zod wrote:
> *Trouble balcing on my new KH24 *


Zod, your new KH24 probably has some small defect, causing it to not
balance well.

Pack it up and send it across the mountain to me. I will give it a
complete inspection from top to bottom. In addition, I promise to
perform multiple test sessions to ensure its ride-ability. Please
realize that I am very busy, so I may have to keep your new KH24 for
several weeks, maybe even 2 to 3 months, but I do promise to find the
problem.

E-mail me privately for my shipping address. It is my pleasure to help
my fellow uni-friends. Lastly, because I care so much, I will not
charge you anything for this complete inspection.

In service to my fellow Uni rider, --chirokid-- :D


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onefiftyfour
August 22nd 03, 08:27 PM
zod wrote:
> *...I always seem to be riding off-camber, either leaning to the left
> a little or to the right. I can never seem to be perfectly upright for
> very long
> *

I seem to have this problem sometimes. I've been thinking it has
something to do with the kh saddle. I can't seem to ride with my pelvis
squared-up on the saddle. I've noticed it more on the coker. Also,
I've theorized that my feet position on the pedals was causing the
problem. If one foot is placed further forward than the other on the
pedal, it could cause the hip to angle slightly. You might check that.


If you ever figure it out, let me know. It can be annoying constantly
adjusting yourself over the uni.

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zod
August 22nd 03, 08:36 PM
chirokid wrote:
> *
>
> Zod, your new KH24 probably has some small defect, causing it to not
> balance well. etc. etc. etc. yada yada yada...
> *


chirokid, if we weren't both confederate brethren I might have to shoot
you full of lead-shot for trying to steal my mUni........ ;)


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Rowan
August 23rd 03, 12:24 AM
Krashin'Kenny wrote:
> *Oh yeah, I forgot to mention how the Gazz doesn't like pavement (as
> Jason mentioned). Put it in the dirt, it makes a world of difference
> in the way it performs!! *

I have tried both the Gazzaloddi and the Duro on pavement. I think they
both perform well on pavement even with relatively low pressures.
Gazzaloddi makes an awesome sound too when on smooth paving. The reason
Gazz does not like pavement is because it wears it out fast. I think it
might be the long 170mm cranks that make you feel sluggish on concrete.
I agree knobs perform better on dirt, but they are grippy anywhere.


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MUNIYETI
August 23rd 03, 12:31 AM
This might be a dumb question Zod but; Did you lower your normal saddle
height to compensate for the longer cranks?...You might be "reaching"
because of leg extension to get the extra few centimeters on the
downstroke..........


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bugman
August 23rd 03, 08:10 PM
MUNIYETI wrote:
> *This might be a dumb question Zod but; Did you lower your normal
> saddle height to compensate for the longer cranks?...You might be
> "reaching" because of leg extension to get the extra few centimeters
> on the downstroke.......... *


I have thought the same thing. Especially if you have gone from a
miyata seat to a KH. It is at least an inch higher so if you haven't
lowered the seatpost you are sitting too high. Obviously not Zod's
situation, but could help onefiftyfour. I also tried matching up seats
height between my torker and kh and that was useless because of the
variables. If you are reaching for the pedals on the down stroke, you
will be leaning one way and pointing your toes to reach the other.
Lastly, very important to lower the tire pressure. I think it flatens
out the riding surface on the knobby tires.


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teachndad
August 23rd 03, 11:57 PM
I had that problem with the off camber thing when I changed to a 28er.
It was awful. We found later that the wheel and frame were in
alignment, so it was really me needing to adjust to the new uni. This
is probably, as others have stated what is happening.

One other thing to try, besides lowering the PSI, is to hold the handle
with one hand when you would otherwise ride with hands at your sides.
This would be especially if you happen to be on the street for any
reason, that seemed to help for me - thanks to John Foss for that
suggestion, way back when.

Go low with your PSI and work up to what feels comfy. I started at 16
and have worked up to 21 psi, which seems comfortable to me.


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zod
August 25th 03, 01:07 PM
I dropped my tire pressure down to 20psi and it rides a lot better, I
think I'll try it even lower. I also did a 5+ miles ride and it got more
comfortable with the extended saddle time.
Some things still feel weird with such long cranks....like downhill and
turning but I am sure I will be feeling at ease with a few more
hours.....

Also after my long ride this weekend I have notcied some
creaking......I'm gonna look into that tonight.


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chirokid
August 25th 03, 03:12 PM
Zod, great to hear your getting more comfortable on your new Muni.

Question: Did you go from some other type seat to a Kris Holm Velo? If
so, what do you think about the new seat? I plan to order a Kris Holm
Seat for my Custom Muni.

BTW, if you can't find the source of the creaking noise, feel free to
box it up and... :D :D --chirokid--


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zod
August 25th 03, 03:31 PM
My other uni is a 20" Torker Unistar.......

This is my first time on the KH saddle and I must say it
rocks........it's so comfortable you could ride it without bike
shorts.....


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chirokid
August 25th 03, 04:55 PM
I am excited to get the KH Seat, thanks for your opinion Zod.
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zod
August 27th 03, 01:44 AM
chirokid wrote:
> *
> BTW, if you can't find the source of the creaking noise, feel free to
> box it up and... :D :D --chirokid-- *


I was about to send it your way chirokid, but after investigating the
creak it turned out to be the common issue of the bolts spinning loose
on the KH saddle.


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duaner
August 27th 03, 06:18 AM
zod wrote:
> *My other uni is a 20" Torker Unistar.......
>
> This is my first time on the KH saddle and I must say it
> rocks........it's so comfortable you could ride it without bike
> shorts..... *


I prefer the KH saddle, BUT in jeans I find the airsaddle distinctly
more comfortable -- (for me) on the KH that big lump where all the
fabric seams come together is rather painful; on the airseat converted
saddles I find that same seam much less noticable.

(my airseats are a torker (miyata like) and a semcycle)


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