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AMuzi August 5th 19 03:07 PM

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https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


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Tom Kunich[_5_] August 5th 19 09:44 PM

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On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:08:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow back together properly.

AMuzi August 6th 19 12:09 AM

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On 8/5/2019 3:44 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:08:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496



Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow back together properly.


Yes, painful and slow to heal. I've had several over the
years and after being taped up for a month or so they all
came back fine.

Shattered is a whole different thing:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfr...t/NOSISSY2.JPG


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



Andre Jute[_2_] August 6th 19 01:34 AM

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On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:08:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow back together properly.


It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little fingers nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who knows where the limits of his bike are.

Andre Jute
Character is destiny

Tom Kunich[_5_] August 9th 19 05:21 PM

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On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:08:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow back together properly.


It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little fingers nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who knows where the limits of his bike are.

Andre Jute
Character is destiny


Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing for the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.

Ted Heise August 12th 19 12:51 PM

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On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:


Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow
back together properly.


It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little fingers
nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who knows where
the limits of his bike are.


Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing for
the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.


Just 71k here; there isn't much in the way of extended climbing
around northern Indiana.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

[email protected] August 12th 19 09:06 PM

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On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 6:51:35 AM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:


Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow
back together properly.

It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little fingers
nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who knows where
the limits of his bike are.


Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing for
the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.


Just 71k here; there isn't much in the way of extended climbing
around northern Indiana.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA


There were many times of this year where I wondered if I even had 71,000 feet of horizontal riding, let alone vertical.

JBeattie August 12th 19 10:13 PM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 1:06:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 6:51:35 AM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:


Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow
back together properly.

It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little fingers
nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who knows where
the limits of his bike are.


Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing for
the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.


Just 71k here; there isn't much in the way of extended climbing
around northern Indiana.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA


There were many times of this year where I wondered if I even had 71,000 feet of horizontal riding, let alone vertical.


My son's friend and former teammate did 30,000 feet in one day -- twice in a season. https://www.facebook.com/universityo...54519895920636 So, he did about 63,000 feet of climbing in two rides. His elevation for the year was over a million feet of climbing, but I forgot the exact number. It was freakish. It's easy to rack up elevation in SLC because the canyons are the best places to ride. Everybody climbs -- old ladies on tricycles doing 12% and knocking out 400 watts. It's crazy!

-- Jay Beattie.


Tom Kunich[_5_] August 12th 19 10:42 PM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 4:51:35 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:


Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow
back together properly.

It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little fingers
nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who knows where
the limits of his bike are.


Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing for
the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.


Just 71k here; there isn't much in the way of extended climbing
around northern Indiana.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA


Hell that ain't bad. My wife tells me that the hills there aren't long but the steepest she and the daughters had ever seen when they rode coast to coast training for the jr. nationals.

Tom Kunich[_5_] August 12th 19 10:46 PM

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For the first four months of the year that was the position I was in. In January there was absolutely perfect weather. Then I was hit by that car. By the time I recovered from that my brother had pneumonia and I had to attend every day. And then he was having eye surgery and I had to take care of that and then the rain started. Finally I managed to get riding about May and I was then so far out of shape that a 20 miles ride was almost too much for me.

It has only been the last two weeks of July that I am beginning to feel normal.

Tom Kunich[_5_] August 12th 19 10:51 PM

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On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 2:13:27 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 1:06:16 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 6:51:35 AM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:

Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow
back together properly.

It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little fingers
nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who knows where
the limits of his bike are.

Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing for
the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.

Just 71k here; there isn't much in the way of extended climbing
around northern Indiana.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA


There were many times of this year where I wondered if I even had 71,000 feet of horizontal riding, let alone vertical.


My son's friend and former teammate did 30,000 feet in one day -- twice in a season. https://www.facebook.com/universityo...54519895920636 So, he did about 63,000 feet of climbing in two rides. His elevation for the year was over a million feet of climbing, but I forgot the exact number. It was freakish. It's easy to rack up elevation in SLC because the canyons are the best places to ride. Everybody climbs -- old ladies on tricycles doing 12% and knocking out 400 watts. It's crazy!

-- Jay Beattie.


On one ride here you do about four miles of maybe 5% and then a mile of about 10% average. In general no one passes me there but occasionally there are some young guys that come flying by. But at the top there's a rest area where you find them leaning over the wall and puking.

Ted Heise August 12th 19 11:46 PM

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On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 6:51:35 AM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:


Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not
grow back together properly.

It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little
fingers nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who
knows where the limits of his bike are.


Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing
for the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.


Just 71k here; there isn't much in the way of extended
climbing around northern Indiana.


There were many times of this year where I wondered if I even
had 71,000 feet of horizontal riding, let alone vertical.


Oh crud, so sorry to hear that. Hope things are going better now!

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

Ted Heise August 12th 19 11:47 PM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:42:18 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 4:51:35 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT),
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:


Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not
grow back together properly.

It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little
fingers nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who
knows where the limits of his bike are.


Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing
for the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.


Just 71k here; there isn't much in the way of extended
climbing around northern Indiana.


Hell that ain't bad. My wife tells me that the hills there
aren't long but the steepest she and the daughters had ever seen
when they rode coast to coast training for the jr. nationals.


Interesting. I lived in Bloomington (southern Indiana) for some
14 years, and thought the hills there were generally steeper than
around here.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

David Scheidt August 14th 19 10:12 PM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
Ted Heise wrote:
:On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT),
: Tom Kunich wrote:
: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:

: Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow
: back together properly.
:
: It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little fingers
: nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who knows where
: the limits of his bike are.

: Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing for
: the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.

:Just 71k here; there isn't much in the way of extended climbing
:around northern Indiana.

When I lived in Northern Indiana, a friend had a 'climbing loop'. It
was ride over a bridge over the Toll Road, turn around, ride the other
way. Repeat until you get bored. Because the toll road is build on
an embankment, some of the bridge crossings have 100' of elevation
change in them. So he could do two 100' hills in a half mile. You
got to go a fair distance to find better hills, the glaciers did a
good job.

--
sig 30

Frank Krygowski[_2_] August 14th 19 11:23 PM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:12:32 PM UTC-4, David Scheidt wrote:
Ted Heise wrote:
:On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT),
: Tom Kunich wrote:
: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:34:53 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
: On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:44:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:

: Broken fingers are very bad news. They generally do not grow
: back together properly.
:
: It seems to me that bumps on the joints of the little fingers
: nearest the nail are the sign of a bicyclist who knows where
: the limits of his bike are.

: Hey Andre - last Tuesday I exceeded 100,000 ft of climbing for
: the year. To celebrate I did another 2,500 yesterday.

:Just 71k here; there isn't much in the way of extended climbing
:around northern Indiana.

When I lived in Northern Indiana, a friend had a 'climbing loop'. It
was ride over a bridge over the Toll Road, turn around, ride the other
way. Repeat until you get bored. Because the toll road is build on
an embankment, some of the bridge crossings have 100' of elevation
change in them. So he could do two 100' hills in a half mile. You
got to go a fair distance to find better hills, the glaciers did a
good job.


The last glaciers stopped within five or ten miles of where I live. There is
a river valley just north of me, but if I cross the river and climb north for
mile or so, it's quite flat to the north or west.

OTOH, if I head south or east, I can get all the hills I'd ever want. Not that
I necessarily want any...

This terrain situation plus the countless little old farm roads make this place
really nice for bicycling, and very unappreciated.

- Frank Krygowski

AK[_2_] August 15th 19 12:38 AM

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On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


AMuzi August 15th 19 01:21 AM

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On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



jOHN b. August 15th 19 01:38 AM

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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


But, what will the penalty be?
I like "community service" as I'm sure that helping out one neighbors
is a sole stirring experience,


--
cheers,

John B.


Rolf Mantel[_2_] August 15th 19 12:51 PM

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Am 15.08.2019 um 00:23 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
The last glaciers stopped within five or ten miles of where I live. There is
a river valley just north of me, but if I cross the river and climb north for
mile or so, it's quite flat to the north or west.


The Rhine "Rift Valley"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Rhine_Plain gives me a similar
situation. Going South, North or West I'm basically flat (OK, West, I
lose some 10m on the first 25k and re-gain them on the next 25k), going
east I have a 500m climb up the Königsstuhl starting at the edge of town
(one popular hiking route contains a stairway of 1600 steps).

Tom Kunich[_5_] August 15th 19 08:48 PM

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On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

Sir Ridesalot August 15th 19 10:13 PM

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On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.


Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers

Frank Krygowski[_4_] August 15th 19 10:14 PM

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On 8/15/2019 3:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.


I did need the police here once. There was an obviously sick raccoon
stumbling around our yard. I called the cops because there's a village
ordinance against shooting a firearm within village limits, and raccoons
frequently carry rabies.

The pleasant young cop (one I hadn't met before) came within about three
minutes. He shot the raccoon and we disposed of the corpse together in
the nearby woods.

I once defended our garden from a marauding groundhog, but that required
only a pellet gun and a club.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Sir Ridesalot August 15th 19 10:38 PM

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On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 5:15:01 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2019 3:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.


I did need the police here once. There was an obviously sick raccoon
stumbling around our yard. I called the cops because there's a village
ordinance against shooting a firearm within village limits, and raccoons
frequently carry rabies.

The pleasant young cop (one I hadn't met before) came within about three
minutes. He shot the raccoon and we disposed of the corpse together in
the nearby woods.

I once defended our garden from a marauding groundhog, but that required
only a pellet gun and a club.

--
- Frank Krygowski


They didn't take the dead racoon away for testing for rabies? Amazing!

Cheers

AMuzi August 15th 19 11:05 PM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On 8/15/2019 4:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.


Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


Although that's true, responsible firearms owners, hell
responsible people generally, seek first and foremost to
avoid that sort of situation. Nobody wants to be George
Zimmerman.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



Sir Ridesalot August 15th 19 11:52 PM

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On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 6:05:06 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2019 4:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.


Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


Although that's true, responsible firearms owners, hell
responsible people generally, seek first and foremost to
avoid that sort of situation. Nobody wants to be George
Zimmerman.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Sometime you can't avoid a bad situation.

I had an instance where two friends of mine were attacked on my front verandah. My sister phoned the police when we saw the blood on the two. They had been attacked by six guys. I fired one blank round from a 7.62mm NATO semi-automatic rifle and let the assailants see the next round going into the chamber. They all left rather quickly. VBEG ONE HALF HOUR later the police finally showed up. I believe in that saying, "it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it". I also like the saying, iirc from the US Marine Corps that, "Gun control is hitting what you are aiming at".

Cheers

jOHN b. August 16th 19 12:10 AM

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On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:13:28 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.


Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


I suggest that is a very modern, and likely made up argument.
I grew up in a small New England town where, I'd guess, more than half
the homes had a gun or two. My granddad had two deer rifles, a 12
gauge shotgun and a .22 rifle behind the kitchen door.
As a general statement guns were seen a tools. How else would you keep
the fox from eating the chickens?

I never heard this argument that "to have a gun and not need it..."
until long after I left home. In fact, from memory alone, I'd guess it
was into the 1960's or '70's when I heard it first.
--
cheers,

John B.


jOHN b. August 16th 19 01:34 AM

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On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:52:37 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 6:05:06 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2019 4:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


Although that's true, responsible firearms owners, hell
responsible people generally, seek first and foremost to
avoid that sort of situation. Nobody wants to be George
Zimmerman.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Sometime you can't avoid a bad situation.

I had an instance where two friends of mine were attacked

on my front verandah. My sister phoned the police when we saw the
blood on the two. They had been attacked by six guys. I fired one
blank round from a 7.62mm NATO semi-automatic rifle and let the
assailants see the next round going into the chamber. They all left
rather quickly. VBEG ONE HALF HOUR later the police finally showed up.
I believe in that saying, "it's better to have a gun and not need it
than to need a gun and not have it". I also like the saying, iirc from
the US Marine Corps that, "Gun control is hitting what you are aiming
at".


But, you were shooting blanks :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


Sir Ridesalot August 16th 19 02:39 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:52:37 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 6:05:06 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2019 4:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


Although that's true, responsible firearms owners, hell
responsible people generally, seek first and foremost to
avoid that sort of situation. Nobody wants to be George
Zimmerman.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Sometime you can't avoid a bad situation.

I had an instance where two friends of mine were attacked

on my front verandah. My sister phoned the police when we saw the
blood on the two. They had been attacked by six guys. I fired one
blank round from a 7.62mm NATO semi-automatic rifle and let the
assailants see the next round going into the chamber. They all left
rather quickly. VBEG ONE HALF HOUR later the police finally showed up.
I believe in that saying, "it's better to have a gun and not need it
than to need a gun and not have it". I also like the saying, iirc from
the US Marine Corps that, "Gun control is hitting what you are aiming
at".


But, you were shooting blanks :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


No. Only the first round was a blank the other 19 were live rounds and I was quite prepared to use them if I had to. The important thing is that the six assailants thought that I'd use them too.

Typing this reminds me of the incident. What I now find interesting is that even though the six assailants were found and were found to be on drugs and alcohol, NONE of them were ever charged for anything. The police were a real big help that day - not!

Cheers

AMuzi August 16th 19 02:43 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On 8/15/2019 8:39 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:52:37 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 6:05:06 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2019 4:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


Although that's true, responsible firearms owners, hell
responsible people generally, seek first and foremost to
avoid that sort of situation. Nobody wants to be George
Zimmerman.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Sometime you can't avoid a bad situation.

I had an instance where two friends of mine were attacked

on my front verandah. My sister phoned the police when we saw the
blood on the two. They had been attacked by six guys. I fired one
blank round from a 7.62mm NATO semi-automatic rifle and let the
assailants see the next round going into the chamber. They all left
rather quickly. VBEG ONE HALF HOUR later the police finally showed up.
I believe in that saying, "it's better to have a gun and not need it
than to need a gun and not have it". I also like the saying, iirc from
the US Marine Corps that, "Gun control is hitting what you are aiming
at".


But, you were shooting blanks :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


No. Only the first round was a blank the other 19 were live rounds and I was quite prepared to use them if I had to. The important thing is that the six assailants thought that I'd use them too.

Typing this reminds me of the incident. What I now find interesting is that even though the six assailants were found and were found to be on drugs and alcohol, NONE of them were ever charged for anything. The police were a real big help that day - not!

Cheers


Police are expert at writing toe tags and after action
reports. Paperwork is important! Taxpayers not so much.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



jOHN b. August 16th 19 03:42 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:52:37 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 6:05:06 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2019 4:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


Although that's true, responsible firearms owners, hell
responsible people generally, seek first and foremost to
avoid that sort of situation. Nobody wants to be George
Zimmerman.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Sometime you can't avoid a bad situation.

I had an instance where two friends of mine were attacked

on my front verandah. My sister phoned the police when we saw the
blood on the two. They had been attacked by six guys. I fired one
blank round from a 7.62mm NATO semi-automatic rifle and let the
assailants see the next round going into the chamber. They all left
rather quickly. VBEG ONE HALF HOUR later the police finally showed up.
I believe in that saying, "it's better to have a gun and not need it
than to need a gun and not have it". I also like the saying, iirc from
the US Marine Corps that, "Gun control is hitting what you are aiming
at".


But, you were shooting blanks :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


No. Only the first round was a blank the other 19 were live rounds and

I was quite prepared to use them if I had to. The important thing is
that the six assailants thought that I'd use them too.

Typing this reminds me of the incident. What I now find interesting is

that even though the six assailants were found and were found to be on
drugs and alcohol, NONE of them were ever charged for anything. The
police were a real big help that day - not!

Cheers


And had you shot one or more it might well have been you the police
apprehended :-(
--
cheers,

John B.


Sir Ridesalot August 16th 19 03:51 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 10:43:01 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:52:37 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 6:05:06 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2019 4:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


Although that's true, responsible firearms owners, hell
responsible people generally, seek first and foremost to
avoid that sort of situation. Nobody wants to be George
Zimmerman.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Sometime you can't avoid a bad situation.

I had an instance where two friends of mine were attacked
on my front verandah. My sister phoned the police when we saw the
blood on the two. They had been attacked by six guys. I fired one
blank round from a 7.62mm NATO semi-automatic rifle and let the
assailants see the next round going into the chamber. They all left
rather quickly. VBEG ONE HALF HOUR later the police finally showed up.
I believe in that saying, "it's better to have a gun and not need it
than to need a gun and not have it". I also like the saying, iirc from
the US Marine Corps that, "Gun control is hitting what you are aiming
at".


But, you were shooting blanks :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


No. Only the first round was a blank the other 19 were live rounds and

I was quite prepared to use them if I had to. The important thing is
that the six assailants thought that I'd use them too.

Typing this reminds me of the incident. What I now find interesting is

that even though the six assailants were found and were found to be on
drugs and alcohol, NONE of them were ever charged for anything. The
police were a real big help that day - not!

Cheers


And had you shot one or more it might well have been you the police
apprehended :-(
--
cheers,

John B.


And had I not fired that rifle there would have been two dead friends. At least I and my friends would have been alive and "self defense" in that case would be a pretty strong defense.

Cheers

jOHN b. August 16th 19 04:12 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:51:53 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 10:43:01 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:52:37 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 6:05:06 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2019 4:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


Although that's true, responsible firearms owners, hell
responsible people generally, seek first and foremost to
avoid that sort of situation. Nobody wants to be George
Zimmerman.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Sometime you can't avoid a bad situation.

I had an instance where two friends of mine were attacked
on my front verandah. My sister phoned the police when we saw the
blood on the two. They had been attacked by six guys. I fired one
blank round from a 7.62mm NATO semi-automatic rifle and let the
assailants see the next round going into the chamber. They all left
rather quickly. VBEG ONE HALF HOUR later the police finally showed up.
I believe in that saying, "it's better to have a gun and not need it
than to need a gun and not have it". I also like the saying, iirc from
the US Marine Corps that, "Gun control is hitting what you are aiming
at".


But, you were shooting blanks :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

No. Only the first round was a blank the other 19 were live rounds and

I was quite prepared to use them if I had to. The important thing is
that the six assailants thought that I'd use them too.

Typing this reminds me of the incident. What I now find interesting is

that even though the six assailants were found and were found to be on
drugs and alcohol, NONE of them were ever charged for anything. The
police were a real big help that day - not!

Cheers


And had you shot one or more it might well have been you the police
apprehended :-(
--
cheers,

John B.


And had I not fired that rifle there would have been two dead friends.

rAt least I and my friends would have been alive and "self defense" in
that case would be a pretty strong defense.

Cheers


Perhaps.And probably depending on where you lived.
--
cheers,

John B.


Frank Krygowski[_4_] August 16th 19 04:32 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On 8/15/2019 5:38 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 5:15:01 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2019 3:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.


I did need the police here once. There was an obviously sick raccoon
stumbling around our yard. I called the cops because there's a village
ordinance against shooting a firearm within village limits, and raccoons
frequently carry rabies.

The pleasant young cop (one I hadn't met before) came within about three
minutes. He shot the raccoon and we disposed of the corpse together in
the nearby woods.

I once defended our garden from a marauding groundhog, but that required
only a pellet gun and a club.

--
- Frank Krygowski


They didn't take the dead racoon away for testing for rabies? Amazing!


He didn't send it for rabies testing. Perhaps it was because he was
relatively new on the job, and neither of us thought about it. Perhaps
it was because it's not uncommon for raccoons to be rabid, so what
difference would it make?

Vaguely similar: I once went to see my doctor about a certain complaint.
He said "Well, we could send a sample out for a lab test, but I've seen
this so often I'm really sure what it is. Instead of paying and waiting
for those results, I can give you a prescription. If it works, I'm right
and there was no need for a lab test. If it doesn't work, we can do the
test."

He was right. He's a smart guy.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Joy Beeson August 16th 19 05:20 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:51:53 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

And had I not fired that rifle there would have been two dead friends. At least I and my friends would have been alive and "self defense" in that case would be a pretty strong defense.


My motto is "KCJ beats KCH", but that's usually in the context of
riding outside the "please right-hook me" lane the the mayor painted
on Fort Wayne Street and so forth.

(Actually, Fort Wayne is easy to deal with: I use Clark instead.)

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/


jOHN b. August 16th 19 05:29 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:32:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/15/2019 5:38 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 5:15:01 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2019 3:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

I did need the police here once. There was an obviously sick raccoon
stumbling around our yard. I called the cops because there's a village
ordinance against shooting a firearm within village limits, and raccoons
frequently carry rabies.

The pleasant young cop (one I hadn't met before) came within about three
minutes. He shot the raccoon and we disposed of the corpse together in
the nearby woods.

I once defended our garden from a marauding groundhog, but that required
only a pellet gun and a club.

--
- Frank Krygowski


They didn't take the dead racoon away for testing for rabies? Amazing!


He didn't send it for rabies testing. Perhaps it was because he was
relatively new on the job, and neither of us thought about it. Perhaps
it was because it's not uncommon for raccoons to be rabid, so what
difference would it make?

Vaguely similar: I once went to see my doctor about a certain complaint.
He said "Well, we could send a sample out for a lab test, but I've seen
this so often I'm really sure what it is. Instead of paying and waiting
for those results, I can give you a prescription. If it works, I'm right
and there was no need for a lab test. If it doesn't work, we can do the
test."

He was right. He's a smart guy.


But what does one do if one kills a rabid racoon? Head off into the
hinterlands trying to find something/one that it had bitten (:-?)
--
cheers,

John B.


Sir Ridesalot August 16th 19 08:39 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 12:29:30 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:32:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/15/2019 5:38 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 5:15:01 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2019 3:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

I did need the police here once. There was an obviously sick raccoon
stumbling around our yard. I called the cops because there's a village
ordinance against shooting a firearm within village limits, and raccoons
frequently carry rabies.

The pleasant young cop (one I hadn't met before) came within about three
minutes. He shot the raccoon and we disposed of the corpse together in
the nearby woods.

I once defended our garden from a marauding groundhog, but that required
only a pellet gun and a club.

--
- Frank Krygowski

They didn't take the dead racoon away for testing for rabies? Amazing!


He didn't send it for rabies testing. Perhaps it was because he was
relatively new on the job, and neither of us thought about it. Perhaps
it was because it's not uncommon for raccoons to be rabid, so what
difference would it make?

Vaguely similar: I once went to see my doctor about a certain complaint.
He said "Well, we could send a sample out for a lab test, but I've seen
this so often I'm really sure what it is. Instead of paying and waiting
for those results, I can give you a prescription. If it works, I'm right
and there was no need for a lab test. If it doesn't work, we can do the
test."

He was right. He's a smart guy.


But what does one do if one kills a rabid racoon? Head off into the
hinterlands trying to find something/one that it had bitten (:-?)
--
cheers,

John B.


It's good to have it tested for rabies so that measures can be taken to prevent a major outbreak of it. Also it's NOT a good idea to use bare hands to handle any dead animal that might have been rabid as you could still contact rabies without being bitten. See:

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/transmission/index.html
"Rabies virus is transmitted through direct contact (such as through broken skin or mucous membranes in the eyes, nose, or mouth) with saliva or brain/nervous system tissue from an infected animal.

People usually get rabies from the bite of a rabid animal. It is also possible, but rare, for people to get rabies from non-bite exposures, which can include scratches, abrasions, or open wounds that are exposed to saliva or other potentially infectious material from a rabid animal."

From:
https://www.elsevier.com/connect/8-t...ies-but-should

"Do not handle sick, injured or dead animals."

From:
https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/20...-and-roadkill/

"You never know whether this is a concern when you find a dead animal. Once it’s dead, you can’t tell if it’s acting strange. In general, it’s safest to assume that all such animals are infectious until proven otherwise.

If you have contact with a dead animal, avoid any direct contact with your skin, and avoid any activities that could result in splashing of fluids. Transmission of rabies from infected fluids is possible if it comes in contact with broken skin or mucous membranes like the eyes or mouth."

Cheers


jOHN b. August 16th 19 10:47 AM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:39:30 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 12:29:30 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:32:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/15/2019 5:38 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 5:15:01 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2019 3:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

I did need the police here once. There was an obviously sick raccoon
stumbling around our yard. I called the cops because there's a village
ordinance against shooting a firearm within village limits, and raccoons
frequently carry rabies.

The pleasant young cop (one I hadn't met before) came within about three
minutes. He shot the raccoon and we disposed of the corpse together in
the nearby woods.

I once defended our garden from a marauding groundhog, but that required
only a pellet gun and a club.

--
- Frank Krygowski

They didn't take the dead racoon away for testing for rabies? Amazing!

He didn't send it for rabies testing. Perhaps it was because he was
relatively new on the job, and neither of us thought about it. Perhaps
it was because it's not uncommon for raccoons to be rabid, so what
difference would it make?

Vaguely similar: I once went to see my doctor about a certain complaint.
He said "Well, we could send a sample out for a lab test, but I've seen
this so often I'm really sure what it is. Instead of paying and waiting
for those results, I can give you a prescription. If it works, I'm right
and there was no need for a lab test. If it doesn't work, we can do the
test."

He was right. He's a smart guy.


But what does one do if one kills a rabid racoon? Head off into the
hinterlands trying to find something/one that it had bitten (:-?)
--
cheers,

John B.


It's good to have it tested for rabies so that measures can be taken to prevent a major outbreak of it. Also it's NOT a good idea to use bare hands to handle any dead animal that might have been rabid as you could still contact rabies without being bitten. See:

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/transmission/index.html
"Rabies virus is transmitted through direct contact (such as through broken skin or mucous membranes in the eyes, nose, or mouth) with saliva or brain/nervous system tissue from an infected animal.

People usually get rabies from the bite of a rabid animal. It is also possible, but rare, for people to get rabies from non-bite exposures, which can include scratches, abrasions, or open wounds that are exposed to saliva or other potentially infectious material from a rabid animal."

From:
https://www.elsevier.com/connect/8-t...ies-but-should

"Do not handle sick, injured or dead animals."

From:
https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/20...-and-roadkill/

"You never know whether this is a concern when you find a dead animal. Once its dead, you cant tell if its acting strange. In general, its safest to assume that all such animals are infectious until proven otherwise.

If you have contact with a dead animal, avoid any direct contact with your skin, and avoid any activities that could result in splashing of fluids. Transmission of rabies from infected fluids is possible if it comes in contact with broken skin or mucous membranes like the eyes or mouth."

Cheers


I believe that in the U.S. there have been a total of 3 people that
have contracted the disease and survived without timely administration
of the "rabies shots". That is three people in the history of the
country.

Here, where the disease isn't rare but at the same time not extremely
common, the procedure is to attempt to capture the animal and if that
isn't possible to immediately start administering the shots.

Years ago the shots were given into the stomach wall, I believe, and
were said to be very painful but more modern shots are given
intramuscularly, and I gather, not as painful.
--
cheers,

John B.


AMuzi August 16th 19 02:11 PM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On 8/15/2019 9:51 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 10:43:01 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:39:04 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:52:37 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 6:05:06 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2019 4:13 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 3:48:58 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/14/2019 6:38 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/wat...ault/971662496


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I can strongly sympathize with her not wanting to let someone steal from their shop.

When the guy mentioned "shooting", it may have have been better to call the police.

With the good camera footage, there is a chance at an arrest.


Huh?

When seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.


People who have never had need for the police haven't even a passing understanding of self defense.

Hence why a lot of gun owners believe the adage, "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it".

Cheers


Although that's true, responsible firearms owners, hell
responsible people generally, seek first and foremost to
avoid that sort of situation. Nobody wants to be George
Zimmerman.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Sometime you can't avoid a bad situation.

I had an instance where two friends of mine were attacked
on my front verandah. My sister phoned the police when we saw the
blood on the two. They had been attacked by six guys. I fired one
blank round from a 7.62mm NATO semi-automatic rifle and let the
assailants see the next round going into the chamber. They all left
rather quickly. VBEG ONE HALF HOUR later the police finally showed up.
I believe in that saying, "it's better to have a gun and not need it
than to need a gun and not have it". I also like the saying, iirc from
the US Marine Corps that, "Gun control is hitting what you are aiming
at".


But, you were shooting blanks :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

No. Only the first round was a blank the other 19 were live rounds and

I was quite prepared to use them if I had to. The important thing is
that the six assailants thought that I'd use them too.

Typing this reminds me of the incident. What I now find interesting is

that even though the six assailants were found and were found to be on
drugs and alcohol, NONE of them were ever charged for anything. The
police were a real big help that day - not!

Cheers


And had you shot one or more it might well have been you the police
apprehended :-(
--
cheers,

John B.


And had I not fired that rifle there would have been two dead friends. At least I and my friends would have been alive and "self defense" in that case would be a pretty strong defense.

Cheers


https://wgem.com/2019/08/13/suspecte...ad-4-arrested/

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



AMuzi August 16th 19 02:15 PM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On 8/15/2019 11:20 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:51:53 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

And had I not fired that rifle there would have been two dead friends. At least I and my friends would have been alive and "self defense" in that case would be a pretty strong defense.


My motto is "KCJ beats KCH", but that's usually in the context of
riding outside the "please right-hook me" lane the the mayor painted
on Fort Wayne Street and so forth.

(Actually, Fort Wayne is easy to deal with: I use Clark instead.)


?
Acronym Finder was no help with KCJ or KCH.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



Sir Ridesalot August 16th 19 02:32 PM

Professional use of proper size wrench
 
On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 9:15:00 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2019 11:20 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:51:53 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

And had I not fired that rifle there would have been two dead friends. At least I and my friends would have been alive and "self defense" in that case would be a pretty strong defense.


My motto is "KCJ beats KCH", but that's usually in the context of
riding outside the "please right-hook me" lane the the mayor painted
on Fort Wayne Street and so forth.

(Actually, Fort Wayne is easy to deal with: I use Clark instead.)


?
Acronym Finder was no help with KCJ or KCH.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I got Komaio Airport, Komaio, Papua New Guinea for KCJ and Kuching International Airport code KCH when I searched.

Cheers


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