cleaning fun...(not)
 

Deep Freud Moors:


Utter bull****. Dirt will kill bearings MUCH faster than an absence of
grease. Clean dry bearings will run for a long time, dirty bearings
(even
when greased) will not.

Don't change the subject. Grease's secondary property as water and dirt
barrier is what's been pointed out, NOT whether dirt is destructive to
bearings.


You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Deep Freud Moors:


Utter bull****. Dirt will kill bearings MUCH faster than an absence of
grease. Clean dry bearings will run for a long time, dirty bearings
(even
when greased) will not.

Don't change the subject. Grease's secondary property as water and dirt
barrier is what's been pointed out, NOT whether dirt is destructive to
bearings.


You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".

It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,

It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important from a
reliability point of view.

What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this? A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency. You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".

It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,

It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important from a
reliability point of view.

What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this? A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency. You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Mike:

Theo Bekkers wrote:

The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Grease is just very
thick oil.

Not quite, Theo.

Yes, quite.

In common english usage, "grease" can refer to
solid oils, such as animal fat. But lubricating "grease" is
completely different.

Now you're just trying to be smart. Animal fat has never been inferred,
implied, nor even remotely hinted at in the thread.

It just looks the same, hence the same name.

It doesn't look the same.

As he said, its oil + thickeners.

Correct. Oil *and* thickener/carrier. Nothing else he said was
correct.

http://www.lubems.com/Composition.htm

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Mike:

Theo Bekkers wrote:

The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Grease is just very
thick oil.

Not quite, Theo.

Yes, quite.

In common english usage, "grease" can refer to
solid oils, such as animal fat. But lubricating "grease" is
completely different.

Now you're just trying to be smart. Animal fat has never been inferred,
implied, nor even remotely hinted at in the thread.

It just looks the same, hence the same name.

It doesn't look the same.

As he said, its oil + thickeners.

Correct. Oil *and* thickener/carrier. Nothing else he said was
correct.

http://www.lubems.com/Composition.htm

Hosing a bike
 

"Arpit" wrote in message
...
Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not with the water restrictions. Use a bucket.

Regards,

Suzy

Hosing a bike
 

"Arpit" wrote in message
...
Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not with the water restrictions. Use a bucket.

Regards,

Suzy

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Theo Bekkers" wrote in message
...
Not quite, Theo. In common english usage, "grease" can refer to
solid oils, such as animal fat. But lubricating "grease" is
completely different. It just looks the same, hence the same name.
As he said, its oil + thickeners.

I believe the context of the discussion was grease as used on
bicycles. I don't think anyone was advocating the use of chicken fat
in their bottom bracket. :-)

Probably closer than you think. The two main thickers of grease are soap or
clay (for high temp work) well, soap is just animal fat and caustic soda.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Theo Bekkers" wrote in message
...
Not quite, Theo. In common english usage, "grease" can refer to
solid oils, such as animal fat. But lubricating "grease" is
completely different. It just looks the same, hence the same name.
As he said, its oil + thickeners.

I believe the context of the discussion was grease as used on
bicycles. I don't think anyone was advocating the use of chicken fat
in their bottom bracket. :-)

Probably closer than you think. The two main thickers of grease are soap or
clay (for high temp work) well, soap is just animal fat and caustic soda.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Jose Rizal wrote in message
nk.net...
Deep Freud Moors:


Utter bull****. Dirt will kill bearings MUCH faster than an absence
of
grease. Clean dry bearings will run for a long time, dirty bearings
(even
when greased) will not.

Don't change the subject. Grease's secondary property as water and
dirt
barrier is what's been pointed out, NOT whether dirt is destructive to
bearings.


You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was
originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.


As opposed to the plethora of factual data you provided!!!!

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing. Instead you just tried to
drag the topic into bike unrelated stuff, hoping to catch me out for some
reason.
---
DFM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Jose Rizal wrote in message
nk.net...
Deep Freud Moors:


Utter bull****. Dirt will kill bearings MUCH faster than an absence
of
grease. Clean dry bearings will run for a long time, dirty bearings
(even
when greased) will not.

Don't change the subject. Grease's secondary property as water and
dirt
barrier is what's been pointed out, NOT whether dirt is destructive to
bearings.


You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was
originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.


As opposed to the plethora of factual data you provided!!!!

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing. Instead you just tried to
drag the topic into bike unrelated stuff, hoping to catch me out for some
reason.
---
DFM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Jose Rizal wrote in message
ink.net...
Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt
and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".

It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

It's annoying you because what I say stands up, and your only way of dealing
with it is to try change the subject. I suggest you take some time out and
do some yoga or some ****.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,

It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.


Which is somewhat of a lubricating effect, is it not?

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important
from a
reliability point of view.

What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this?

Now folks, watch as Jose completely misinterprets what I said, and starts
crapping on about something else...

A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency.

WHOAH!!! Yes, folks, that was a massive leap into something unrelated! Why
am I continuing with this guy? I dunno...

You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.

Pretending that you're right will only delude yourself. You wont even
address the point I am making, choosing to change the subject instead.
---
DFM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Jose Rizal wrote in message
ink.net...
Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt
and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".

It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

It's annoying you because what I say stands up, and your only way of dealing
with it is to try change the subject. I suggest you take some time out and
do some yoga or some ****.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,

It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.


Which is somewhat of a lubricating effect, is it not?

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important
from a
reliability point of view.

What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this?

Now folks, watch as Jose completely misinterprets what I said, and starts
crapping on about something else...

A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency.

WHOAH!!! Yes, folks, that was a massive leap into something unrelated! Why
am I continuing with this guy? I dunno...

You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.

Pretending that you're right will only delude yourself. You wont even
address the point I am making, choosing to change the subject instead.
---
DFM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Deep Freud Moors" wrote

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing.

I dispute that. :-)

Theo

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Deep Freud Moors" wrote

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing.

I dispute that. :-)

Theo

Hosing a bike
 

Al User wrote:

Yes, but use a low pressure garden hose and try not to concentrate
the stream at the hubs, bottom bracket or steerer tube.

A shimano team mechanic I was talking with a few years ago said
that he only ever used a bucket, a small amount of dishwashing
detergent and a large soft brush (like a dustpan brush).
The point was that he washed and serviced the team bikes after
*every* ride, so the dirt was never caked on to a point that it
had to be blasted off

Al.

That's what I do! Except for the part about every ride. After the wash I
wipe over the bike with a rag soaked in turps then I wash it again then
rinse it. For the chain I soak it in turps then rinse it then dry it
with metho.

--
Cheers
Damian Harvey

This space reserved for standard disclaimer, witty quote,
plug for own business in caps and large, bad ASCII art.

Hosing a bike
 

Al User wrote:

Yes, but use a low pressure garden hose and try not to concentrate
the stream at the hubs, bottom bracket or steerer tube.

A shimano team mechanic I was talking with a few years ago said
that he only ever used a bucket, a small amount of dishwashing
detergent and a large soft brush (like a dustpan brush).
The point was that he washed and serviced the team bikes after
*every* ride, so the dirt was never caked on to a point that it
had to be blasted off

Al.

That's what I do! Except for the part about every ride. After the wash I
wipe over the bike with a rag soaked in turps then I wash it again then
rinse it. For the chain I soak it in turps then rinse it then dry it
with metho.

--
Cheers
Damian Harvey

This space reserved for standard disclaimer, witty quote,
plug for own business in caps and large, bad ASCII art.

Hosing a bike
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:28:55 GMT, Arpit
wrote:

Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not under current water restrictions if you are in Sydney.

Hosing a bike
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:28:55 GMT, Arpit
wrote:

Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not under current water restrictions if you are in Sydney.

Hosing a bike
 

"Not Very" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:28:55 GMT, Arpit
wrote:

Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not under current water restrictions if you are in Sydney.


Just stand the bike on the lawn and water the lawn.

Hosing a bike
 

"Not Very" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:28:55 GMT, Arpit
wrote:

Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not under current water restrictions if you are in Sydney.


Just stand the bike on the lawn and water the lawn.

Hosing a bike
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:03:37 GMT, "Suzy Jackson"
wrote:

"Arpit" wrote in message
.. .
Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not with the water restrictions. Use a bucket.

Regards,

Suzy


I dunno what your personal attitude is on this, but I hosed my bike
thhe other day, I used really low pressure, just to get the ugly mud
off. More pressure than rain - I didn it while it was raining (i had
just come back from a cycle) but I certainly used less than necessary
to fill a bucket. Maybe reused washing water would be in order- its
soapy so thats good I guess. SO what are these water restrictions- no
hosing whatsoever?

Hosing a bike
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:03:37 GMT, "Suzy Jackson"
wrote:

"Arpit" wrote in message
.. .
Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not with the water restrictions. Use a bucket.

Regards,

Suzy


I dunno what your personal attitude is on this, but I hosed my bike
thhe other day, I used really low pressure, just to get the ugly mud
off. More pressure than rain - I didn it while it was raining (i had
just come back from a cycle) but I certainly used less than necessary
to fill a bucket. Maybe reused washing water would be in order- its
soapy so thats good I guess. SO what are these water restrictions- no
hosing whatsoever?

cleaning fun...(not)
 

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:39:08 +1000, "Deep Freud Moors"
wrote:

gravelmuncher wrote in message
...
Anonymous wrote:
Tim Jones wrote:
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for
oiling their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?
Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to
apply. But like any oil, dirt sticks. So if you ride in dirt, consider
a dry lube. It needs to be applied much more often though. And its
only
the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so wipe excess oil off
the outside.



I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.

It's a problem with cheap and nasty chains. After a while though, you do get
good at breaking chains though. Oiling the link before breaking it can do
wonders (would you believe???). And naturally breaking it at a different
point each time makes sense.


ssigh, my chain appears to be rivetted together, no breaking for me :(
Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out. Dirt and poorly adjusted
cones are the two things that will kill bearings and cones faster than
anything else.

There are super-greases, like MBL, which definitely do assist in
lubrication, but you have to reapply it pretty regularly. The benefits of
the reduced friction are very small.
---
DFM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:39:08 +1000, "Deep Freud Moors"
wrote:

gravelmuncher wrote in message
...
Anonymous wrote:
Tim Jones wrote:
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for
oiling their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?
Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to
apply. But like any oil, dirt sticks. So if you ride in dirt, consider
a dry lube. It needs to be applied much more often though. And its
only
the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so wipe excess oil off
the outside.



I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.

It's a problem with cheap and nasty chains. After a while though, you do get
good at breaking chains though. Oiling the link before breaking it can do
wonders (would you believe???). And naturally breaking it at a different
point each time makes sense.


ssigh, my chain appears to be rivetted together, no breaking for me :(
Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out. Dirt and poorly adjusted
cones are the two things that will kill bearings and cones faster than
anything else.

There are super-greases, like MBL, which definitely do assist in
lubrication, but you have to reapply it pretty regularly. The benefits of
the reduced friction are very small.
---
DFM

Hosing a bike
 

"Cody" wrote in message
...
Just stand the bike on the lawn and water the lawn.

Well, in Melbourne you aren't allowed to water your
lawn as far as I'm aware.. and a good thing too.
Silly english lawns in this country! pfft!

hippy
If my plants can't live without me maintaining
them, it wasn't meant to be ;-)

Hosing a bike
 

"Cody" wrote in message
...
Just stand the bike on the lawn and water the lawn.

Well, in Melbourne you aren't allowed to water your
lawn as far as I'm aware.. and a good thing too.
Silly english lawns in this country! pfft!

hippy
If my plants can't live without me maintaining
them, it wasn't meant to be ;-)

Hosing a bike
 

Yeah, I had a look, bicycle isnt counted in the restrictions ;) still,
thats a technicality


On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:03:37 GMT, "Suzy Jackson"
wrote:

"Arpit" wrote in message
.. .
Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not with the water restrictions. Use a bucket.

Regards,

Suzy

Hosing a bike
 

Yeah, I had a look, bicycle isnt counted in the restrictions ;) still,
thats a technicality


On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:03:37 GMT, "Suzy Jackson"
wrote:

"Arpit" wrote in message
.. .
Is it ok to hose a bike to clean it?

Not with the water restrictions. Use a bucket.

Regards,

Suzy

cleaning fun...(not)
 

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:26:10 +1000, "Deep Freud Moors"
wrote:

snip

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

snip

DFM

I'm sorry Deep, but grease provides no barrier at all. In fact grease
plus dirt equals grinding compound. This mixture will result in the
rapid erosion of metallic surfaces ( in a dynamic situation).

Thirty years working in foundries forces me to agree with Jose.
Bearings will always fail if the seals are damaged.
Bearings designed to be used in particularly aggressive conditions
will often be double sealed.

Allan Jones

cleaning fun...(not)
 

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:26:10 +1000, "Deep Freud Moors"
wrote:

snip

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

snip

DFM

I'm sorry Deep, but grease provides no barrier at all. In fact grease
plus dirt equals grinding compound. This mixture will result in the
rapid erosion of metallic surfaces ( in a dynamic situation).

Thirty years working in foundries forces me to agree with Jose.
Bearings will always fail if the seals are damaged.
Bearings designed to be used in particularly aggressive conditions
will often be double sealed.

Allan Jones

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Allan Jones wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:26:10 +1000, "Deep Freud Moors"
wrote:

snip

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you
just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

snip

DFM

I'm sorry Deep, but grease provides no barrier at all. In fact grease
plus dirt equals grinding compound. This mixture will result in the
rapid erosion of metallic surfaces ( in a dynamic situation).

So you are saying you shouldn't grease bearings? Did you read what I wrote?
When you pack bearings with grease, dirt is much less likely to get in. Thus
they work better.

Thirty years working in foundries forces me to agree with Jose.
Bearings will always fail if the seals are damaged.
Bearings designed to be used in particularly aggressive conditions
will often be double sealed.

So you weren't working on bikes all that time then? :o)

I was originally (somewhere miles up the thread) reffering to basic wheel
bearing assemblies. The subject of sealed bearings hadn't even come up!
---
DFM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Allan Jones wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:26:10 +1000, "Deep Freud Moors"
wrote:

snip

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you
just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

snip

DFM

I'm sorry Deep, but grease provides no barrier at all. In fact grease
plus dirt equals grinding compound. This mixture will result in the
rapid erosion of metallic surfaces ( in a dynamic situation).

So you are saying you shouldn't grease bearings? Did you read what I wrote?
When you pack bearings with grease, dirt is much less likely to get in. Thus
they work better.

Thirty years working in foundries forces me to agree with Jose.
Bearings will always fail if the seals are damaged.
Bearings designed to be used in particularly aggressive conditions
will often be double sealed.

So you weren't working on bikes all that time then? :o)

I was originally (somewhere miles up the thread) reffering to basic wheel
bearing assemblies. The subject of sealed bearings hadn't even come up!
---
DFM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Deep Freud Moors:

Jose Rizal wrote in message
ink.net...
Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt
and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".

It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

It's annoying you because what I say stands up, and your only way of dealing
with it is to try change the subject. I suggest you take some time out and
do some yoga or some ****.

Funny, since when do your statements stand by themselves? So far you've
dodged the challenge of providing any sort of reference to your mythical
claims, instead resorting to repetition to make yourself belive they're
true. Sorry, no cigar.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,

It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.

Which is somewhat of a lubricating effect, is it not?

No. You need to learn English a little better, or you're being
deliberately dumb. "Somewhat" is different from "all that is
necessary". Dodge and duck all you like, you don't fool anyone.

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important
from a
reliability point of view.

What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this?

Now folks, watch as Jose completely misinterprets what I said, and starts
crapping on about something else...

Who do you think you're addressing, an audience for your comedy show?
Again you sidestep the issue, and try to divert attention. Pretty
juvenile, and quite futile. Show proof for your claims, some
references, otherwise live with the fact that you made wrong claims
about something you know nothing about.

A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency.

WHOAH!!! Yes, folks, that was a massive leap into something unrelated! Why
am I continuing with this guy? I dunno...

Because you're trying to save face? Unsuccessful...

You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

Now you add statements to try to change your previous statements.
Unfortunately, whether "applied correctly" or not, grease does not
provide an "effective barrier for dirt". No luck there, I'm afraid.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.

Pretending that you're right will only delude yourself. You wont even
address the point I am making, choosing to change the subject instead.

Ah, the tried and tested Usenet method of accusing someone of what
you're guilty of. No luck there either. I've addressed all the
specific points you've made, and a cursory glance at previous posts show
this.

You, however, sidestep the issues, snip relevant passages proving your
claims are laughably wrong, and fail to show any kind of reference for
your claims. I'm not sure why you persist in making erroneous claims
showing an embarrasingly huge lack of knowledge; I can only guess that
you have pretensions and a desire to impress imaginary audiences in this
forum. Sorry, you failed in every respect. This has been a huge waste
of time.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Deep Freud Moors:

Jose Rizal wrote in message
ink.net...
Deep Freud Moors:

Crikey, do I have to go back to my original statement yet again???

"The primary purpose of the grease is not lubrication, but to keep dirt
and
water out."

Note that it says "primary", not "sole".

It's still wrong, and it doesn't matter how many times you state it.
The primary purpose of grease is lubrication. Educate yourself and you
won't have to make up things like this. It's annoying for most of
everyone of us who know better.

It's annoying you because what I say stands up, and your only way of dealing
with it is to try change the subject. I suggest you take some time out and
do some yoga or some ****.

Funny, since when do your statements stand by themselves? So far you've
dodged the challenge of providing any sort of reference to your mythical
claims, instead resorting to repetition to make yourself belive they're
true. Sorry, no cigar.

Grease does provide somewhat of a lubricating effect,

It provides more than a "somewhat" lubricating effect, it provides *all
the necessary* lubrication required by the bearings.

Which is somewhat of a lubricating effect, is it not?

No. You need to learn English a little better, or you're being
deliberately dumb. "Somewhat" is different from "all that is
necessary". Dodge and duck all you like, you don't fool anyone.

but its role of
inhibiting dirt from getting into the bearings is much more important
from a
reliability point of view.

What rubbish. Why do you make up things like this?

Now folks, watch as Jose completely misinterprets what I said, and starts
crapping on about something else...

Who do you think you're addressing, an audience for your comedy show?
Again you sidestep the issue, and try to divert attention. Pretty
juvenile, and quite futile. Show proof for your claims, some
references, otherwise live with the fact that you made wrong claims
about something you know nothing about.

A secondary benefit
of grease is its water repellency, not dirt repellency.

WHOAH!!! Yes, folks, that was a massive leap into something unrelated! Why
am I continuing with this guy? I dunno...

Because you're trying to save face? Unsuccessful...

You might think
that grease prevents dirt getting into the rotating parts, but you are
again wrong. Dirt is a killer in being entrained in grease, as it will
eventually be carried into the moving parts.

Dirt is a bearing killer whether in grease or not. Contrary to what you just
said, grease provides an effective barrier against dirt when applied
correctly.

Now you add statements to try to change your previous statements.
Unfortunately, whether "applied correctly" or not, grease does not
provide an "effective barrier for dirt". No luck there, I'm afraid.

You've been making all these wrong claims about grease, it's time you
cut your losses and go.

Pretending that you're right will only delude yourself. You wont even
address the point I am making, choosing to change the subject instead.

Ah, the tried and tested Usenet method of accusing someone of what
you're guilty of. No luck there either. I've addressed all the
specific points you've made, and a cursory glance at previous posts show
this.

You, however, sidestep the issues, snip relevant passages proving your
claims are laughably wrong, and fail to show any kind of reference for
your claims. I'm not sure why you persist in making erroneous claims
showing an embarrasingly huge lack of knowledge; I can only guess that
you have pretensions and a desire to impress imaginary audiences in this
forum. Sorry, you failed in every respect. This has been a huge waste
of time.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Deep Freud Moors:

Jose Rizal wrote in message

You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was
originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.


As opposed to the plethora of factual data you provided!!!!

At least you recognise facts when you see them. Now learn and move on.

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing. Instead you just tried to
drag the topic into bike unrelated stuff, hoping to catch me out for some
reason.

Your comprehension is either deliberately or congenitally defective.
Anyone reading the previous posts on this thread will easily see that
your claims have been specifically addressed and shown to be wrong.
You've made no correct statements so far, provided no references, and
not even a hint of where you got your mythical claims from. There's no
backing out from that.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Deep Freud Moors:

Jose Rizal wrote in message

You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was
originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.


As opposed to the plethora of factual data you provided!!!!

At least you recognise facts when you see them. Now learn and move on.

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing. Instead you just tried to
drag the topic into bike unrelated stuff, hoping to catch me out for some
reason.

Your comprehension is either deliberately or congenitally defective.
Anyone reading the previous posts on this thread will easily see that
your claims have been specifically addressed and shown to be wrong.
You've made no correct statements so far, provided no references, and
not even a hint of where you got your mythical claims from. There's no
backing out from that.

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Jose Rizal wrote in message
hlink.net...
Deep Freud Moors:

Jose Rizal wrote in message

You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was
originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that
last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't
it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether
it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of
it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease
being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.


As opposed to the plethora of factual data you provided!!!!

At least you recognise facts when you see them. Now learn and move on.

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing. Instead you just tried to
drag the topic into bike unrelated stuff, hoping to catch me out for
some
reason.

Your comprehension is either deliberately or congenitally defective.
Anyone reading the previous posts on this thread will easily see that
your claims have been specifically addressed and shown to be wrong.
You've made no correct statements so far

I have made no correct statements so far? Never ever? If I was truly always
incorrect, I would be a brilliant devils advocate. This illustrates your
penchant for incorrectly overstating stuff rather well.

Why have you not addressed my original comparison yet, Jose?
---
DFM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

Jose Rizal wrote in message
hlink.net...
Deep Freud Moors:

Jose Rizal wrote in message

You are the one that is trying to change the subject!!! It was
originally
about wheel bearings, if you can recall correctly. You avoided that
last
comparison because it illustrates my point rather concisely, doesn't
it!

Nope. You made several false statements about grease, and whether
it's
used for bearings or turbine rotors or gears, the primary purpose of
it
is lubrication. I see you skipped all the statements about grease
being
a lubricant, and not provided an iota of factual data about why you
think otherwise.


As opposed to the plethora of factual data you provided!!!!

At least you recognise facts when you see them. Now learn and move on.

I gave a comparison which no-one is disputing. Instead you just tried to
drag the topic into bike unrelated stuff, hoping to catch me out for
some
reason.

Your comprehension is either deliberately or congenitally defective.
Anyone reading the previous posts on this thread will easily see that
your claims have been specifically addressed and shown to be wrong.
You've made no correct statements so far

I have made no correct statements so far? Never ever? If I was truly always
incorrect, I would be a brilliant devils advocate. This illustrates your
penchant for incorrectly overstating stuff rather well.

Why have you not addressed my original comparison yet, Jose?
---
DFM