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Designers vs. engineers
New York's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) currently features an exhibition
called "The Value of Good Design." See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5032 Unfortunately, they include the 1960's Spacelander bicycle as an example of good design! See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibi...image_index=34 I took one for a brief test ride many years ago. MoMA's standards are certainly far different from mine. It's hard to imagine a heavier, clumsier rattletrap of a bike. Heck, I'd prefer that Fiat 500! But then, the rest of the exhibition seems to glorify the 1950s and 1960s as an era of "good design." Weird. -- - Frank Krygowski |
Designers vs. engineers
Frank Krygowski wrote:
New York's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) currently features an exhibition called "The Value of Good Design." See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5032 Unfortunately, they include the 1960's Spacelander bicycle as an example of good design! See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibi...image_index=34 I took one for a brief test ride many years ago. MoMA's standards are certainly far different from mine. It's hard to imagine a heavier, clumsier rattletrap of a bike. Heck, I'd prefer that Fiat 500! But then, the rest of the exhibition seems to glorify the 1950s and 1960s as an era of "good design." Weird. As you alluded in your post title, it's the Museum Of Modern ART, not the Museum Of Excellent Engineering. |
Designers vs. engineers
On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:12:12 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
New York's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) currently features an exhibition called "The Value of Good Design." See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5032 Unfortunately, they include the 1960's Spacelander bicycle as an example of good design! See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibi...image_index=34 I took one for a brief test ride many years ago. MoMA's standards are certainly far different from mine. It's hard to imagine a heavier, clumsier rattletrap of a bike. Heck, I'd prefer that Fiat 500! But then, the rest of the exhibition seems to glorify the 1950s and 1960s as an era of "good design." Weird. -- - Frank Krygowski Frank, you rode the moon bike? Tell us how that came about. |
Designers vs. engineers
On 3/3/19 10:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
New York's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) currently features an exhibition called "The Value of Good Design." See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5032 Unfortunately, they include the 1960's Spacelander bicycle as an example of good design! See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibi...image_index=34 I took one for a brief test ride many years ago. MoMA's standards are certainly far different from mine. It's hard to imagine a heavier, clumsier rattletrap of a bike. Heck, I'd prefer that Fiat 500! But then, the rest of the exhibition seems to glorify the 1950s and 1960s as an era of "good design."Â* Weird. My eyes! My Eyes! I'M BLIND!!! |
Designers vs. engineers
On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 2:03:54 AM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:
wrote: On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:12:12 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: New York's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) currently features an exhibition called "The Value of Good Design." See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5032 Unfortunately, they include the 1960's Spacelander bicycle as an example of good design! See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibi...image_index=34 I took one for a brief test ride many years ago. MoMA's standards are certainly far different from mine. It's hard to imagine a heavier, clumsier rattletrap of a bike. Heck, I'd prefer that Fiat 500! Frank, you might have discovered the Spacelander bicycle hoax the Like a Tesla car, that bike never was destygneered to be transported into space -- probably not even as ballast. But then, the rest of the exhibition seems to glorify the 1950s and 1960s as an era of "good design." Weird. Good financial design: Glorify popularly admired, but mildly exotic stuff from the era of your sponsors' youth that they didn't actually have to use / suffer from actually using. Half that stuff is still in the current Herman Miller and Knoll catalogs and is very useful -- if not over-priced. I don't think there is anything weird about a display of midcentury designs, although the curator could have done a better job of it. -- Jay Beattie. |
Designers vs. engineers
On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 11:35:53 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:12:12 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: New York's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) currently features an exhibition called "The Value of Good Design." See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5032 Unfortunately, they include the 1960's Spacelander bicycle as an example of good design! See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibi...image_index=34 I took one for a brief test ride many years ago. MoMA's standards are certainly far different from mine. It's hard to imagine a heavier, clumsier rattletrap of a bike. Heck, I'd prefer that Fiat 500! But then, the rest of the exhibition seems to glorify the 1950s and 1960s as an era of "good design." Weird. -- - Frank Krygowski Frank, you rode the moon bike? Tell us how that came about. It was back in the 1980s or maybe 1990s at some big bike rally. Maybe in Michigan, but I'm not sure. They had a bunch of oddball bikes at that one, and people were allowed to test ride some of them. That was one. At other rallies, I got to do a short ride on my first ever recumbent (Avatar 2000) and a British upright racing tricycle. The Avatar was frustrating for 100 feet or so, until I was able to relax and let it do its own balancing. The tricycle was just scary - it seemed very unstable. My wife and I also got to try a semi-recumbent tandem, I forget the brand name, where she was in a front recumbent seat but I was on a normal upright seat behind her. That worked surprisingly well, but I guess it didn't make it in the market. At those rallies and other places I've gotten to ride "ordinaries" or high-wheelers and other odd machines. - Frank Krygowski |
Designers vs. engineers
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 11:35:53 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:12:12 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: New York's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) currently features an exhibition called "The Value of Good Design." See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5032 Unfortunately, they include the 1960's Spacelander bicycle as an example of good design! See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibi...image_index=34 I took one for a brief test ride many years ago. MoMA's standards are certainly far different from mine. It's hard to imagine a heavier, clumsier rattletrap of a bike. Heck, I'd prefer that Fiat 500! But then, the rest of the exhibition seems to glorify the 1950s and 1960s as an era of "good design." Weird. -- - Frank Krygowski Frank, you rode the moon bike? Tell us how that came about. It was back in the 1980s or maybe 1990s at some big bike rally. Maybe in Michigan, but I'm not sure. They had a bunch of oddball bikes at that one, and people were allowed to test ride some of them. That was one. At other rallies, I got to do a short ride on my first ever recumbent (Avatar 2000) and a British upright racing tricycle. The Avatar was frustrating for 100 feet or so, until I was able to relax and let it do its own balancing. The tricycle was just scary - it seemed very unstable. My wife and I also got to try a semi-recumbent tandem, I forget the brand name, where she was in a front recumbent seat but I was on a normal upright seat behind her. That worked surprisingly well, but I guess it didn't make it in the market. At those rallies and other places I've gotten to ride "ordinaries" or high-wheelers and other odd machines. - Frank Krygowski Semi-recumbent tandems are truly a niche market, but they do exist. The Hase Pino is perhaps the best known one. It does solve the "if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes" problem with regular tandems. https://hasebikes.com/95-1-Tandem-PINO-ALLROUND.html |
Designers vs. engineers
Frank Krygowski writes:
On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 11:35:53 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:12:12 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: New York's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) currently features an exhibition called "The Value of Good Design." See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5032 Unfortunately, they include the 1960's Spacelander bicycle as an example of good design! See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibi...image_index=34 I took one for a brief test ride many years ago. MoMA's standards are certainly far different from mine. It's hard to imagine a heavier, clumsier rattletrap of a bike. Heck, I'd prefer that Fiat 500! But then, the rest of the exhibition seems to glorify the 1950s and 1960s as an era of "good design." Weird. -- - Frank Krygowski Frank, you rode the moon bike? Tell us how that came about. It was back in the 1980s or maybe 1990s at some big bike rally. Maybe in Michigan, but I'm not sure. They had a bunch of oddball bikes at that one, and people were allowed to test ride some of them. That was one. At other rallies, I got to do a short ride on my first ever recumbent (Avatar 2000) and a British upright racing tricycle. The Avatar was frustrating for 100 feet or so, until I was able to relax and let it do its own balancing. The tricycle was just scary - it seemed very unstable. My wife and I also got to try a semi-recumbent tandem, I forget the brand name, where she was in a front recumbent seat but I was on a normal upright seat behind her. That worked surprisingly well, but I guess it didn't make it in the market. I sometimes see a couple riding one of those on the local path. If you want to converse easily with your stoker it seems like the way to go. -- |
Designers vs. engineers
On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 4:12:12 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
New York's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) currently features an exhibition called "The Value of Good Design." See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5032 Unfortunately, they include the 1960's Spacelander bicycle as an example of good design! See https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibi...image_index=34 I took one for a brief test ride many years ago. MoMA's standards are certainly far different from mine. It's hard to imagine a heavier, clumsier rattletrap of a bike. Heck, I'd prefer that Fiat 500! But then, the rest of the exhibition seems to glorify the 1950s and 1960s as an era of "good design." Weird. -- - Frank Krygowski The I look at it a designer designs something and the engineer(s) tell whether it will work or not. Cheers |
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