Before & after bike lanes
Bike lanes - Interesting video about what happens in
real life. That's one bad one. That's a place where I don't know what kind of bike lane you could put in that would work. =v= Actually, that's one stretch of a bike lane that works much better south of there, as do the bike lanes to the east and west. New York City is trying out a bunch of new facilities all at once, and it's unreasonable to think that all of them are going to work perfectly on the first try. =v= Of course, there are vehicular cycling dogmatists for whom any hint of a facility is the f-word. It speaks volumes that they have to cherrypick one bad stretch of anecdote to support their doctrine that all bike lanes are eeeeeevil. _Jym_ |
Before & after bike lanes
On Oct 2, 12:46*pm, Jym Dyer wrote:
Bike lanes - Interesting video about what happens in real life. That's one bad one. That's a place where I don't know what kind of bike lane you could put in that would work. =v= Actually, that's one stretch of a bike lane that works much better south of there, as do the bike lanes to the east and west. Can you explain exactly how they work better than the same total lane width without the paint stripe? That's always the question. *New York City is trying out a bunch of new facilities all at once, and it's unreasonable to think that all of them are going to work perfectly on the first try. Wow. Can you imagine if that standard of acceptability were applied to motor vehicle facilities? "Hey, it's OK if we make some cars turn right from the left lane. We're trying a bunch of new ideas here!" =v= Of course, there are vehicular cycling dogmatists for whom any hint of a facility is the f-word. *It speaks volumes that they have to cherrypick one bad stretch of anecdote to support their doctrine that all bike lanes are eeeeeevil. That's a pretty blatant exaggeration, especially after I've mentioned being responsible (or at least, partly responsible) for two different bike facilities in my area. And of course, the opposite accusation could be thrown at many bike facility advocates - that they'll cherrypick one acceptable stretch, then say "Any bike facility is a good bike facility." That certainly seems true of the man that designed bike facilities in our local metro park. He's the guy who designed the two-way bike lanes on one side of the road, with dozens of wooden posts in the lanes for cyclists to run into, with rumble strips in one stretch to prevent leaving the bike lane, including to get to the traffic light detector to get a green light, etc, etc. "Standards? We don't need no steenkin' standards!" - Frank Krygowski |
Before & after bike lanes
=v= Actually, that's one stretch of a bike lane that works
much better south of there, as do the bike lanes to the east and west. Can you explain exactly how they work better than the same total lane width without the paint stripe? That's always the question. =v= A quintupling of bicyclists in New York City comes to mind. =v= Mandatory bike lane use does *not* apply in NYC (and you can thank my lawyer for reminding the courts of that), so the streets can still accommodate fast riders. Now, though, they also accommodate slow riders, children, and cargo bikers. =v= My own experience in NYC (usually fast, sometimes laden with cargo) is that pedestrian encroachment is a problem in that bike lane and in another around Times Square, and on parts of the Hudson River Greenway, but otherwise they've been a boon. the opposite accusation could be thrown at many bike facility advocates - that they'll cherrypick one acceptable stretch, then say "Any bike facility is a good bike facility." =v= Scripting words for straw dolls is not a valid argument. I referred only to your own actual words, generalizing from this one stretch of one lane to "what happens in real life" in a plurality of bike lanes. =v= "Any bike facility is a good bike facility" may be what advocacy groups and local governments convey when they describe progress only in terms of the miles of bike lanes, but I have never actually heard anyone say those words. Indeed I find it blitheringly obvious (except perhaps to the anti-facilities jihad) that the quality of bike facilities is wildly variable _Jym_ |
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