Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

Just ordered a bottle from Stansport. It is nice but much smaller in
diameter than my California Bike Gear bottle which is a snug fit. So the
Stansport bottle rattles around in there.

Why can't they agree on one standard diameter? In the electronics
industry we got that licked decades ago.

Any tricks how to adapt to both without bending the cage back and forth?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/20/2018 10:58 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just ordered a bottle from Stansport. It is nice but much smaller in
diameter than my California Bike Gear bottle which is a snug fit. So the
Stansport bottle rattles around in there.

Why can't they agree on one standard diameter? In the electronics
industry we got that licked decades ago.

Any tricks how to adapt to both without bending the cage back and forth?

A standard bicycle water bottle is 2.875" (73 mm).

There are cages available for larger bottles. I have the best large cage
on a couple of bicycles. It means one bottle instead of two. It's also
extremely secure. It's item #1 on my page at
http://tinyurl.com/notatlbs. There is also a cage for a growler (#3).

I recently saw adjustable diameter cages that us a rubber strap, at
Target and Walmart. Secure, but time consuming to get the bottle in and out.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-20 12:45, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 10:58 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just ordered a bottle from Stansport. It is nice but much smaller in
diameter than my California Bike Gear bottle which is a snug fit. So
the Stansport bottle rattles around in there.

Why can't they agree on one standard diameter? In the electronics
industry we got that licked decades ago.

Any tricks how to adapt to both without bending the cage back and forth?

A standard bicycle water bottle is 2.875" (73 mm).


The Stansport is 2.820" (71.5mm) and the Cal Bike Gear is 2.885"
(73.3mm). Even worse is that the indentation ring is off by about
0.300". How can this happen? In medical, aerospace or other electronics
we'd get flogged for that.


There are cages available for larger bottles. I have the best large cage
on a couple of bicycles. It means one bottle instead of two. It's also
extremely secure. It's item #1 on my page at
http://tinyurl.com/notatlbs. There is also a cage for a growler (#3).


Then I'd have another boutique solution, new bottles and all that. I was
hoping the bicycle industry would have agree to a bottle standard but
that hope was just dashed, like many others.


I recently saw adjustable diameter cages that us a rubber strap, at
Target and Walmart. Secure, but time consuming to get the bottle in and
out.


I can also wrap some sort of bungee cord around it, hobo-style. However,
that gets old and the bottle won't go back in easily without pushing the
bungee down.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/20/2018 1:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
Just ordered a bottle from Stansport. It is nice but much smaller in
diameter than my California Bike Gear bottle which is a snug fit. So the
Stansport bottle rattles around in there.

Why can't they agree on one standard diameter? In the electronics
industry we got that licked decades ago.

Any tricks how to adapt to both without bending the cage back and forth?

No tricks that would work for you, sorry.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 1:54:55 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 12:45, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 10:58 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just ordered a bottle from Stansport. It is nice but much smaller in
diameter than my California Bike Gear bottle which is a snug fit. So
the Stansport bottle rattles around in there.

Why can't they agree on one standard diameter? In the electronics
industry we got that licked decades ago.

Any tricks how to adapt to both without bending the cage back and forth?

A standard bicycle water bottle is 2.875" (73 mm).


The Stansport is 2.820" (71.5mm) and the Cal Bike Gear is 2.885"
(73.3mm). Even worse is that the indentation ring is off by about
0.300". How can this happen? In medical, aerospace or other electronics
we'd get flogged for that.

As you should -- in fact, flog yourself for this, too.


There are cages available for larger bottles. I have the best large cage
on a couple of bicycles. It means one bottle instead of two. It's also
extremely secure. It's item #1 on my page at
http://tinyurl.com/notatlbs. There is also a cage for a growler (#3).


Then I'd have another boutique solution, new bottles and all that. I was
hoping the bicycle industry would have agree to a bottle standard but
that hope was just dashed, like many others.
n your day. I can



All my dozens of bottles are within spec, and it is clear to me that the manufacturers are out to f*** with you. This is about you and only you. Cheap-**** water bottle makers like Stansport and Cal Bike Gear got together and said "let's f**** with Joerg." I'm so sorry for you. Next, they'll be screwing with your inner-tubes. Instead of 1.75-2.5" it will be 1.76661-2.499999". This is pay-back for all your complaining about the poor quality of bicycle components. When you make your next bottle order, use a different name.


-- Jay Beattie.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/20/2018 1:54 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The Stansport is 2.820" (71.5mm) and the Cal Bike Gear is 2.885"
(73.3mm). Even worse is that the indentation ring is off by about
0.300". How can this happen? In medical, aerospace or other electronics
we'd get flogged for that.

There is no standards body for water bottles. The diameter is supposed
to be 2.875" (73mm) with the indentation on tall bottles at 5.0" (127mm).

You should write a letter to Stansport. Maybe consider contacting an
attorney about a class action lawsuit. Claim that the bottle bounced out
on a trail and a mountain lion took it. Jay can handle the lawsuit for you.

I can also wrap some sort of bungee cord around it, hobo-style. However,
that gets old and the bottle won't go back in easily without pushing the
bungee down.

Use layers of heat shrink tubing until you get that extra 1.5mm or so.
Of course that size heat shrink tubing will likely cost more than just
buying a proper bottle.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-20 15:01, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 1:54 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The Stansport is 2.820" (71.5mm) and the Cal Bike Gear is 2.885"
(73.3mm). Even worse is that the indentation ring is off by about
0.300". How can this happen? In medical, aerospace or other
electronics we'd get flogged for that.

There is no standards body for water bottles. The diameter is supposed
to be 2.875" (73mm) with the indentation on tall bottles at 5.0" (127mm).


The center of the indentation is 5-1/2" on the Stansport bottle and
5-3/4" on the Cal Bike bottle (which fits all holders like a glove).


You should write a letter to Stansport. Maybe consider contacting an
attorney about a class action lawsuit. Claim that the bottle bounced out
on a trail and a mountain lion took it. Jay can handle the lawsuit for you.


That would only work if the mountain lion then choked on it and needed
expensive medical attention, followed by a few cat shrink sessions. For
a class action it would have to affect his tribe and two or three others.


I can also wrap some sort of bungee cord around it, hobo-style.
However, that gets old and the bottle won't go back in easily without
pushing the bungee down.

Use layers of heat shrink tubing until you get that extra 1.5mm or so.
Of course that size heat shrink tubing will likely cost more than just
buying a proper bottle.


The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier
of bicycle equipment.

I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier
of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look
for that brand then.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier
of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look
for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle? https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg

-- Jay Beattie.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/20/2018 7:48 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier
of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look
for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle? https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


All the way across town among the mountain lions and along
the Singletrack Trail of Death? For a mere plastic bottle?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/20/2018 6:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

It's impossible. There's absolutely no way.

So go to your LBS.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:58:10 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Just ordered a bottle from Stansport. It is nice but much smaller in
diameter than my California Bike Gear bottle which is a snug fit. So the
Stansport bottle rattles around in there.

Why can't they agree on one standard diameter? In the electronics
industry we got that licked decades ago.

Any tricks how to adapt to both without bending the cage back and forth?

Sure. Buy a set of bottle cages made from steel or aluminum rod and
just bend them to fit.

I built a rack to hold two large bottles behind the seat and that is
what I did. It's been working for a number of years now with no
problems.

--
Cheers,

John B.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 9:54:55 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 12:45, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 10:58 AM, Joerg wrote:
Just ordered a bottle from Stansport. It is nice but much smaller in
diameter than my California Bike Gear bottle which is a snug fit. So
the Stansport bottle rattles around in there.

Why can't they agree on one standard diameter? In the electronics
industry we got that licked decades ago.

Any tricks how to adapt to both without bending the cage back and forth?

A standard bicycle water bottle is 2.875" (73 mm).


The Stansport is 2.820" (71.5mm) and the Cal Bike Gear is 2.885"
(73.3mm). Even worse is that the indentation ring is off by about
0.300". How can this happen? In medical, aerospace or other electronics
we'd get flogged for that.


There are cages available for larger bottles. I have the best large cage
on a couple of bicycles. It means one bottle instead of two. It's also
extremely secure. It's item #1 on my page at
http://tinyurl.com/notatlbs. There is also a cage for a growler (#3).


Then I'd have another boutique solution, new bottles and all that. I was
hoping the bicycle industry would have agree to a bottle standard but
that hope was just dashed, like many others.


I recently saw adjustable diameter cages that us a rubber strap, at
Target and Walmart. Secure, but time consuming to get the bottle in and
out.


I can also wrap some sort of bungee cord around it, hobo-style. However,
that gets old and the bottle won't go back in easily without pushing the
bungee down.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Your waterbottle holder can't handle a diameter difference of 1.8 mm? Get a better one.

Lou

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 10:48:31 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:58:10 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Just ordered a bottle from Stansport. It is nice but much smaller in
diameter than my California Bike Gear bottle which is a snug fit. So the
Stansport bottle rattles around in there.

Why can't they agree on one standard diameter? In the electronics
industry we got that licked decades ago.

Any tricks how to adapt to both without bending the cage back and forth?

Sure. Buy a set of bottle cages made from steel or aluminum rod and
just bend them to fit.

I built a rack to hold two large bottles behind the seat and that is
what I did. It's been working for a number of years now with no
problems.

Or any of the modern cages that squeeze the bottle, e.g. https://tinyurl.com/y9ykn6tv This design has a more positive hold than the rod cages. Of course, Joerg will need the uber gnarly "Gorilla Cage" with 14 lb grip. https://www.all3sports.com/products/...SABEgII-_D_BwE

-- Jay Beattie.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier
of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look
for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle? https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy more
from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real standard.
Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe with the exception
of some Contis). I guess nobody knows.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-21 04:56, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 9:54:55 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 12:45, sms wrote:

[...]


I recently saw adjustable diameter cages that us a rubber strap,
at Target and Walmart. Secure, but time consuming to get the
bottle in and out.


I can also wrap some sort of bungee cord around it, hobo-style.
However, that gets old and the bottle won't go back in easily
without pushing the bungee down.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Your waterbottle holder can't handle a diameter difference of 1.8 mm?
Get a better one.


It can but it cannot when they also messed up the indentation location
by more than 1/4". Which they did. Same for all other holders I tried
and there were some high-priced ones.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/21/2018 10:51 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier
of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look
for that brand then.


Hmmmm.Â* I wonder where you could buy a water bottle?
https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy more
from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real standard.
Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe with the exception
of some Contis). I guess nobody knows.

You're right, there is a real standard for wheel and tire sizes! It's
described in the four tables and one chart toward the bottom of this
page: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html

As Andrew says, standards are wonderful. That's why we have so many.

If you think it's valuable to have a set of water bottle standards,
perhaps you should work up a similar set of tables for water bottles and
their cages. But I doubt very many people will be interested.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 2:59:43 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 10:48:31 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:58:10 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Just ordered a bottle from Stansport. It is nice but much smaller in
diameter than my California Bike Gear bottle which is a snug fit. So the
Stansport bottle rattles around in there.

Why can't they agree on one standard diameter? In the electronics
industry we got that licked decades ago.

Any tricks how to adapt to both without bending the cage back and forth?

Sure. Buy a set of bottle cages made from steel or aluminum rod and
just bend them to fit.

I built a rack to hold two large bottles behind the seat and that is
what I did. It's been working for a number of years now with no
problems.

Or any of the modern cages that squeeze the bottle, e.g. https://tinyurl.com/y9ykn6tv This design has a more positive hold than the rod cages. Of course, Joerg will need the uber gnarly "Gorilla Cage" with 14 lb grip. https://www.all3sports.com/products/...SABEgII-_D_BwE

-- Jay Beattie.

My favorite is a King Cage Ti rod waterbottle cage. Never had problems with any waterbottle. Last for life and doesn't stain your waterbottles.

Lou

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/21/2018 10:53 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 04:56, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 9:54:55 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 12:45, sms wrote:

[...]


I recently saw adjustable diameter cages that us a rubber strap,
at Target and Walmart. Secure, but time consuming to get the
bottle in and out.


I can also wrap some sort of bungee cord around it, hobo-style.
However, that gets old and the bottle won't go back in easily
without pushing the bungee down.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Your waterbottle holder can't handle a diameter difference of 1.8 mm?
Get a better one.


It can but it cannot when they also messed up the indentation location
by more than 1/4". Which they did. Same for all other holders I tried
and there were some high-priced ones.

Perhaps you need an adjustable bottle cage, one that changes shape to
accommodate different diameters and different lengths of bottles with
different indentation locations. And it should happen automatically!
After all, cars have power seats that adjust to different butts. And we
know your bike already has a proper electrical system.

Why is bicycle technology always so far behind car technology?

--
- Frank Krygowski

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier
of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look
for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle? https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy more
from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real standard.
Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe with the exception
of some Contis). I guess nobody knows.

There is a standard -- 73mm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty water bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of carcinogens.

What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot accommodate a 1mm variance. You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole issue by going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the colors! Support your LBS.

-- Jay Beattie.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/21/2018 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2018 10:51 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip
-and even more snip-

As Andrew says, standards are wonderful. That's why we have
so many.

Thanks but I pilfered the expression from Sheldon Brown.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

AMuzi wrote:

As Andrew says, standards are wonderful.
That's why we have so many.

Thanks but I pilfered the expression from
Sheldon Brown.

Often in the bicycle press it says "this
conforms with the x.y standard" but it doesn't
say how many bikes are constructed like that,
or speculate how many are likely to be.

I guess any bicycle manufacturer can change
a mm here or there and pretend it is a new
standard? But isn't that actually the opposite
of a standard?

Still, bikes seems to be standardized to an
amazing degree, at least those I see are.
They are even called "standard bikes" here
(which means not a road bike, and not MTB) and
they certainly live up to the designation.

--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-21 08:08, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2018 10:51 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying
one
online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier
of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will
look
for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle?
https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy
more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real
standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe with
the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody knows.

You're right, there is a real standard for wheel and tire sizes! It's
described in the four tables and one chart toward the bottom of this
page: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html

As Andrew says, standards are wonderful. That's why we have so many.


Now it would be great if you could explain that to some tire manufacturers.


If you think it's valuable to have a set of water bottle standards,
perhaps you should work up a similar set of tables for water bottles and
their cages. But I doubt very many people will be interested.


The industry should be.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-21 08:49, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when
buying one online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a
supplier of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before
release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle
https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks,
will look for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle?
https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy
more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real
standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe
with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody knows.

There is a standard -- 73mm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty water
bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew a bottle
on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle manufacturer
in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle water bottle. Its
like complaining about Walmart bikes. I wouldn't be surprised if the
bottle is radioactive and full of carcinogens.

What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot accommodate a
1mm variance.


It's almost 2mm and as I wrote the indentation is also way off.


You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole
issue by going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town
Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the colors!
Support your LBS.


I will if his prices are reasonable and he has 25oz bottles. His web
site is, ahem, not quite there yet.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-21 08:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2018 10:53 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 04:56, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 9:54:55 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 12:45, sms wrote:

[...]


I recently saw adjustable diameter cages that us a rubber strap,
at Target and Walmart. Secure, but time consuming to get the
bottle in and out.


I can also wrap some sort of bungee cord around it, hobo-style.
However, that gets old and the bottle won't go back in easily
without pushing the bungee down.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Your waterbottle holder can't handle a diameter difference of 1.8 mm?
Get a better one.


It can but it cannot when they also messed up the indentation location
by more than 1/4". Which they did. Same for all other holders I tried
and there were some high-priced ones.

Perhaps you need an adjustable bottle cage, one that changes shape to
accommodate different diameters and different lengths of bottles with
different indentation locations. And it should happen automatically!
After all, cars have power seats that adjust to different butts. And we
know your bike already has a proper electrical system.


Both of them do so I could even mount a "his and hers" buttons :-)

Now about that butt adjustment, that would be very cool. On rides longer
than 4-5h it's not fatigue or breath or whatever that irks me. My behind
begins to hurt. And yes, also on the rather expensive WTB seat.


Why is bicycle technology always so far behind car technology?


I don't know but it usually is, by decades. Except when it comes to
suspensions where I think only Citroen and maybe Lincoln can rival what
good MTB have.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:44:35 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2018 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2018 10:51 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip
-and even more snip-

As Andrew says, standards are wonderful. That's why we have
so many.

Thanks but I pilfered the expression from Sheldon Brown.

Let's hope Joerg doesn't start buying Italian bicycle clothing. "These shorts were supposed to be XL! They wouldn't fit a dwarf! Is there no standard for XL shorts? When I made medical devices, we were held to a tolerance of .0000001mm!"

He would then note that he could get the shorts over his massive quads, but that either (1) they could not stand up to the mountain lion attacks or day-long pounding on the death trails in Cameron Park, or (2) they were vetoed by his wife.

My wife doesn't micro-manage my equipment decisions, although my son would probably shun me if I put duct tape on my water bottle. He's a real equipment snob. Maybe the duct tape thing would prompt him to give me back my two favorite bottles -- a couple of CamelBaks with the one-way valves.

-- Jay Beattie.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 8:04:00 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:44:35 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2018 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2018 10:51 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip
-and even more snip-

As Andrew says, standards are wonderful. That's why we have
so many.

Thanks but I pilfered the expression from Sheldon Brown.

Let's hope Joerg doesn't start buying Italian bicycle clothing. "These shorts were supposed to be XL! They wouldn't fit a dwarf! Is there no standard for XL shorts? When I made medical devices, we were held to a tolerance of .0000001mm!"

He would then note that he could get the shorts over his massive quads, but that either (1) they could not stand up to the mountain lion attacks or day-long pounding on the death trails in Cameron Park, or (2) they were vetoed by his wife.

My wife doesn't micro-manage my equipment decisions, although my son would probably shun me if I put duct tape on my water bottle. He's a real equipment snob. Maybe the duct tape thing would prompt him to give me back my two favorite bottles -- a couple of CamelBaks with the one-way valves.

-- Jay Beattie.

My favorites too.The only bottles I used that do't leak.

Lou

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 08:49, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when
buying one online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a
supplier of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before
release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle
https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks,
will look for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle?
https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy
more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real
standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe
with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody knows.

There is a standard -- 73mm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty water
bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew a bottle
on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle manufacturer
in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle water bottle. Its
like complaining about Walmart bikes. I wouldn't be surprised if the
bottle is radioactive and full of carcinogens.

What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot accommodate a
1mm variance.


It's almost 2mm and as I wrote the indentation is also way off.


You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole
issue by going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town
Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the colors!
Support your LBS.


I will if his prices are reasonable and he has 25oz bottles. His web
site is, ahem, not quite there yet.

Who cares about price! The spread couldn't be more than a buck or two, and you want to support the shop. You get cool looking bottles with graphics that make you part of the Sam's Town Cyclery in-crowd. People will come up to you on the trail while you're petting horses and want to talk about Sam's Town. You'll make friends and influence people.

I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped, but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables. Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG.

-- Jay Beattie.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-21 12:20, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 08:49, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper
when buying one online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy
from a supplier of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before
release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle
https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though.
Thanks, will look for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle?
https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just
buy more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real
standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well,
maybe with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody
knows.

There is a standard -- 73mm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty
water bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew
a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle
manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle
water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I
wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of
carcinogens.

What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot
accommodate a 1mm variance.


It's almost 2mm and as I wrote the indentation is also way off.


You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole issue by
going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town
Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the
colors! Support your LBS.


I will if his prices are reasonable and he has 25oz bottles. His
web site is, ahem, not quite there yet.

Who cares about price! The spread couldn't be more than a buck or
two, and you want to support the shop. You get cool looking bottles
with graphics that make you part of the Sam's Town Cyclery in-crowd.
People will come up to you on the trail while you're petting horses
and want to talk about Sam's Town. You'll make friends and influence
people.


For about 20-30 rides, then the bottle looks blackish and sand-blasted
and nothing will be readable.


I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some
glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size
spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped,
but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate
the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I
get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a
little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables.
Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but
BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an
average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG.


I don't mind either if it's a couple of buck more. Got to support the
local guys which is why I bought my MTB locally for about $100 more
versus online. What I do mind is if stuff costs 5x or more versus
online. As is often the case with brake pads, caliper extenders, lights
and so on.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/21/2018 12:20 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped, but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables. Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG.

Bike Gallery was awesome the last time I visited them in around 1992.

I do hate to get scalped on stuff like tubes. When a high quality tube
that I can get for $3 ends up costing $10, that's painful. I try to keep
a good stock of tubes in all the different sizes for my fleet.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 12:30:10 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 12:20, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 08:49, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper
when buying one online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy
from a supplier of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before
release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle
https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though.
Thanks, will look for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle?
https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just
buy more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real
standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well,
maybe with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody
knows.

There is a standard -- 73mm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty
water bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew
a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle
manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle
water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I
wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of
carcinogens.

What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot
accommodate a 1mm variance.


It's almost 2mm and as I wrote the indentation is also way off.


You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole issue by
going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town
Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the
colors! Support your LBS.


I will if his prices are reasonable and he has 25oz bottles. His
web site is, ahem, not quite there yet.

Who cares about price! The spread couldn't be more than a buck or
two, and you want to support the shop. You get cool looking bottles
with graphics that make you part of the Sam's Town Cyclery in-crowd.
People will come up to you on the trail while you're petting horses
and want to talk about Sam's Town. You'll make friends and influence
people.


For about 20-30 rides, then the bottle looks blackish and sand-blasted
and nothing will be readable.


I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some
glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size
spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped,
but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate
the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I
get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a
little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables.
Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but
BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an
average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG.


I don't mind either if it's a couple of buck more. Got to support the
local guys which is why I bought my MTB locally for about $100 more
versus online. What I do mind is if stuff costs 5x or more versus
online. As is often the case with brake pads, caliper extenders, lights
and so on.

And then there is just getting screwed by everyone on price, i.e., things that used to be cheap are expensive everywhere. For example, at Bike Gallery:

1. 5g tube of Rema glue: $2.50. Crap! So, on line, $5.92 plus free shipping at Amazon. $2.95 at Tree Fort. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product...Gram-Tube.html $8.95 plus free shipping at Niagra. https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...id-5-gram-tube $3.99 at Universal across town. Incroyable! What is up with that?


2.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 1:59:47 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 12:30:10 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 12:20, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 08:49, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper
when buying one online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy
from a supplier of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before
release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle
https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though.
Thanks, will look for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle?
https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just
buy more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real
standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well,
maybe with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody
knows.

There is a standard -- 73mm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty
water bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew
a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle
manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle
water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I
wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of
carcinogens.

What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot
accommodate a 1mm variance.


It's almost 2mm and as I wrote the indentation is also way off.


You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole issue by
going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town
Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the
colors! Support your LBS.


I will if his prices are reasonable and he has 25oz bottles. His
web site is, ahem, not quite there yet.

Who cares about price! The spread couldn't be more than a buck or
two, and you want to support the shop. You get cool looking bottles
with graphics that make you part of the Sam's Town Cyclery in-crowd.
People will come up to you on the trail while you're petting horses
and want to talk about Sam's Town. You'll make friends and influence
people.


For about 20-30 rides, then the bottle looks blackish and sand-blasted
and nothing will be readable.


I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some
glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size
spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped,
but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate
the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I
get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a
little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables.
Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but
BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an
average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG.


I don't mind either if it's a couple of buck more. Got to support the
local guys which is why I bought my MTB locally for about $100 more
versus online. What I do mind is if stuff costs 5x or more versus
online. As is often the case with brake pads, caliper extenders, lights
and so on.

And then there is just getting screwed by everyone on price, i.e., things that used to be cheap are expensive everywhere. For example, at Bike Gallery:

1. 5g tube of Rema glue: $2.50. Crap! So, on line, $5.92 plus free shipping at Amazon. $2.95 at Tree Fort. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product...Gram-Tube.html $8.95 plus free shipping at Niagra. https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...id-5-gram-tube $3.99 at Universal across town. Incroyable! What is up with that?


2.

Ooops, too soon. 2. 28-32mm tube 48mm presta removable core (Bontrager): $7.50. Ah Chihuahua! I used to get tubes for $.99 at Nashbar in bulk. Anyway, QBP version from Colorado Cyclist $7.95 $8 Bikewagon (QBP version). $6 for the Conti version over at Biketires Direct on sale: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...3858+3859+3860 Waaaah! I should have price matched! I always forget to price match. But assuming no price match, I was still in the ball park. These stupid little things have just gotten ridiculously expensive.

-- Jay Beattie.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/21/2018 2:08 PM, jbeattie wrote:
Ah Chihuahua! I used to get tubes for $.99 at Nashbar in bulk. Anyway, QBP version from Colorado Cyclist $7.95 $8 Bikewagon (QBP version). $6 for the Conti version over at Biketires Direct on sale: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...3858+3859+3860 Waaaah! I should have price matched! I always forget to price match. But assuming no price match, I was still in the ball park. These stupid little things have just gotten ridiculously expensive.

If only a shop could sell high quantities of high-margin low-priced
stuff like tires and tubes.

OTOH, perhaps a shop that decided to sell tubes at a lower price could
get more people to come into the shop rather than stocking up on tubes
from an on-line source or from going to Wal-Mart for them.

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/21/2018 2:47 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 08:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:


Why is bicycle technology always so far behind car technology?


I don't know but it usually is, by decades.

But it just occurred to me: The bottle (or cup) holders in my car are
not adjustable.

Damn. I should have bought a different car.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

jbeattie writes:

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one
online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier
of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look
for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle?
https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy more
from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real standard.
Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe with the exception
of some Contis). I guess nobody knows.

There is a standard -- 73mm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage
You bought a ****ty water bottle from an outdoor equipment company
that probably drew a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE
plastic bottle manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a
bicycle water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I
wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of
carcinogens.

Wikipedia is a standards body? I didn't see any reference to an
outside document.

What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot accommodate a
1mm variance. You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole
issue by going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town
Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the colors!
Support your LBS.

-- Jay Beattie.

--

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

Radey Shouman wrote:

Wikipedia is a standards body? I didn't see
any reference to an outside document.

Why not? Are we supposed to put more stock in
people who first boast of their standards
making the world better, then won't even reveal
their standards free of charge when it is just
a matter of duplicating a bunch of 0s and 1s on
a web server?

--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-21 13:33, sms wrote:
On 3/21/2018 12:20 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some glue
(flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size spare
tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped, but for
what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate the
delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I get
endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a little
more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables. Yes, there
is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but BG is not
that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an average. I've
gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG.

Bike Gallery was awesome the last time I visited them in around 1992.

I do hate to get scalped on stuff like tubes. When a high quality tube
that I can get for $3 ends up costing $10, that's painful. I try to keep
a good stock of tubes in all the different sizes for my fleet.


I solved that problem years ago by buying tubes for around $15 each with
0.120" wall thickness for the road bike, 0.160" for the MTB, plus tire
liner, plus another medium thickness tube into which the tire liner is
slid on the MTB (to reduce chafing). This resulted in no more flats. I
simply can't stand being inconvenienced by a flat. The only failures I
had were, for example, sidewall blowouts on those #^%&@!! Gatorskins.

Of course, one cannot typically find those tubes in a bike shop. They
only carry the regular fare and the slime stuff, neither of which I
found to be adequate. So they kind of force you onto the web where all
this is easily obtainable.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 2018-03-21 14:40, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2018 2:47 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 08:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:


Why is bicycle technology always so far behind car technology?


I don't know but it usually is, by decades.

But it just occurred to me: The bottle (or cup) holders in my car are
not adjustable.

Damn. I should have bought a different car.


For cars there is nearly always help:

https://cars.statesman.com/stories/5...r-s-cup-holder

Also, the industry does adhere to standards there. I couldn't believe it
when I saw it but even the big gulp "cup" that a friend bought with coke
in there at a gas station had a narrow extension at the bottom so it fit
the cup holder in his truck. No idea where all that coke went but when
we got to the trail head it was all gone.

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Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
 

On 3/21/2018 4:08 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 1:59:47 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 12:30:10 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 12:20, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 08:49, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote:
On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote:

snip

The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper
when buying one online?

Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy
from a supplier of bicycle equipment.


But is sez "bike bottle" ...

https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26

I guess they need to learn and test their designs before
release.


I like the Clean Designs bottle
https://www.cleanbottle.com/


30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though.
Thanks, will look for that brand then.


Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle?
https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg


I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just
buy more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove.

The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real
standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well,
maybe with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody
knows.

There is a standard -- 73mm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty
water bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew
a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle
manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle
water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I
wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of
carcinogens.

What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot
accommodate a 1mm variance.


It's almost 2mm and as I wrote the indentation is also way off.


You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole issue by
going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town
Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the
colors! Support your LBS.


I will if his prices are reasonable and he has 25oz bottles. His
web site is, ahem, not quite there yet.

Who cares about price! The spread couldn't be more than a buck or
two, and you want to support the shop. You get cool looking bottles
with graphics that make you part of the Sam's Town Cyclery in-crowd.
People will come up to you on the trail while you're petting horses
and want to talk about Sam's Town. You'll make friends and influence
people.


For about 20-30 rides, then the bottle looks blackish and sand-blasted
and nothing will be readable.


I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some
glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size
spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped,
but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate
the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I
get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a
little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables.
Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but
BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an
average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG.


I don't mind either if it's a couple of buck more. Got to support the
local guys which is why I bought my MTB locally for about $100 more
versus online. What I do mind is if stuff costs 5x or more versus
online. As is often the case with brake pads, caliper extenders, lights
and so on.

And then there is just getting screwed by everyone on price, i.e., things that used to be cheap are expensive everywhere. For example, at Bike Gallery:

1. 5g tube of Rema glue: $2.50. Crap! So, on line, $5.92 plus free shipping at Amazon. $2.95 at Tree Fort. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product...Gram-Tube.html $8.95 plus free shipping at Niagra. https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...id-5-gram-tube $3.99 at Universal across town. Incroyable! What is up with that?


2.

Ooops, too soon. 2. 28-32mm tube 48mm presta removable core (Bontrager): $7.50. Ah Chihuahua! I used to get tubes for $.99 at Nashbar in bulk. Anyway, QBP version from Colorado Cyclist $7.95 $8 Bikewagon (QBP version). $6 for the Conti version over at Biketires Direct on sale: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...3858+3859+3860 Waaaah! I should have price matched! I always forget to price match. But assuming no price match, I was still in the ball park. These stupid little things have just gotten ridiculously expensive.


Bicycle tube valves are no longer made from free machining
brass[1] like other valves. The minuscule lead content
posed a risk that your children[2] might eat a bunch of
brass valves daily for years with possibly deleterious
outcome[3].

Rubber cement and worse tubular cement fell under different
regulation in, if I recall, 2015. Super duty rate and
reporting regulations now.

But hey it's for the children![4]

[1]Notice new color mark on the side of the valve stem.
[2]My daughter, heck even my grandsons, are smarter than
that. Maybe.
[3]No specific incident was ever cited in the regulation.
[4]Scary words, yes? Justifies damn near anything nowadays.
And yet I can't recall the last time I had to ride around
piles of children's bodies:
https://ourworldindata.org/wp-conten...since-1960.png

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