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Does anything dissolve paint thinner
On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 1:51:20 PM UTC-5, AK wrote:
I use paint thinner and an old tooth brush to clean my bike chain. Is there anything I can spray on the chain to dissolve the thinner or do I have to manually rub it off with a rag? I am open to recommendations to anyone who actually uses one of those chain cleaners. Thanks, Andy Odorless Mineral Spirits have the least impurities. So use it instead. https://www.bobvila.com/articles/min...paint-thinner/ |
Does anything dissolve paint thinner
On 9/2/2019 1:51 PM, AK wrote:
I use paint thinner and an old tooth brush to clean my bike chain. Is there anything I can spray on the chain to dissolve the thinner or do I have to manually rub it off with a rag? I am open to recommendations to anyone who actually uses one of those chain cleaners. Thanks, Andy Automotive acrylic lacquer thinner is highly volatile and evaporates leaving no residue. If you have gunk remaining you haven't diluted the oil/gunk enough. Lacquer thinner is also highly flammable so bear that in mind regarding ventilation, ignition sources and disposal of wipers. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
Does anything dissolve paint thinner
On 9/2/2019 4:05 PM, AK wrote:
On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 2:38:12 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: I use paint thinner and an old tooth brush to clean my bike chain. Is there anything I can spray on the chain to dissolve the thinner or do I have to manually rub it off with a rag? I am open to recommendations to anyone who actually uses one of those chain cleaners. Paint thinner is a solvent (mineral spirits) and is rather slow to evaporate. Solvent Evaporation Rate Strength (Minutes) (KB Value) Denatured 91% Alcohol 3 Limited Solvency VM & P Naphtha 4 38 Lacquer Thinner 2 100 Paint Thinner or Mineral Spirits 60 35 Toluene 3.5 105 Xylene 12 98 Acetone 1 Infinite MEK 2 Infinite Turpentine 40 55 Kerosene 325 30 Some of the above are banned in the People's Republic of California by the VoC Ban. If you want a fast clean, with low residue, methinks acetone would be the best bet. Mixing it with paint thinner isn't going to do anything useful. When the acetone evaporates, what's left is the paint thinner, which will then slowly evaporate. You might also want to try lacquer thinner. However, the modern stuff is a mix of other solvents, which can vary: https://ecolink.com/info/differences-between-lacquer-thinner-11-lacquer-thinner-48-and-lacquer-thinner-51/ Both acetone and lacquer thinner will attack plastics, rubber, and some paints. If the area where you're working has any of these, don't use these solvents. 91% IPA alcohol is evaporates quickly and is probably good enough. While you're at it: 1. Use gloves 2. Read the safety warnings 3. Use a respirator or do your cleaning outdoors. 4. Think about buying a parts washer: https://www.harborfreight.com/20-gal-parts-washer-with-pump-60769.html https://blastercorp.com/product/parts-washer-solvent/ -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 You must never have used IPA on grease. It does not dissolve grease, it requires an organic solvent. Andy Did you know that Jeff wrote about Iso Propyl Alcohol? = IPA -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
Does anything dissolve paint thinner
jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 4:48:44 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 9/2/2019 4:05 PM, AK wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 2:38:12 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: I use paint thinner and an old tooth brush to clean my bike chain. Is there anything I can spray on the chain to dissolve the thinner or do I have to manually rub it off with a rag? I am open to recommendations to anyone who actually uses one of those chain cleaners. Paint thinner is a solvent (mineral spirits) and is rather slow to evaporate. Solvent Evaporation Rate Strength (Minutes) (KB Value) Denatured 91% Alcohol 3 Limited Solvency VM & P Naphtha 4 38 Lacquer Thinner 2 100 Paint Thinner or Mineral Spirits 60 35 Toluene 3.5 105 Xylene 12 98 Acetone 1 Infinite MEK 2 Infinite Turpentine 40 55 Kerosene 325 30 Some of the above are banned in the People's Republic of California by the VoC Ban. If you want a fast clean, with low residue, methinks acetone would be the best bet. Mixing it with paint thinner isn't going to do anything useful. When the acetone evaporates, what's left is the paint thinner, which will then slowly evaporate. You might also want to try lacquer thinner. However, the modern stuff is a mix of other solvents, which can vary: https://ecolink.com/info/differences-between-lacquer-thinner-11-lacquer-thinner-48-and-lacquer-thinner-51/ Both acetone and lacquer thinner will attack plastics, rubber, and some paints. If the area where you're working has any of these, don't use these solvents. 91% IPA alcohol is evaporates quickly and is probably good enough. While you're at it: 1. Use gloves 2. Read the safety warnings 3. Use a respirator or do your cleaning outdoors. 4. Think about buying a parts washer: https://www.harborfreight.com/20-gal-parts-washer-with-pump-60769.html https://blastercorp.com/product/parts-washer-solvent/ -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 You must never have used IPA on grease. It does not dissolve grease, it requires an organic solvent. Andy Did you know that Jeff wrote about Iso Propyl Alcohol? = IPA I used an IPA on Friday to patch 30 (count 'em) tubes from my heap of un-patched tubes. Open bottle, pour in glass, drink and patch tubes. It also helps to watch an action movie. -- Jay Beattie. I know that tastes vary, but I would rather clean my chain with IPA than drink the stuff. |
Does anything dissolve paint thinner
AMuzi wrote:
On 9/2/2019 7:08 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 4:48:44 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 9/2/2019 4:05 PM, AK wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 2:38:12 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: I use paint thinner and an old tooth brush to clean my bike chain. Is there anything I can spray on the chain to dissolve the thinner or do I have to manually rub it off with a rag? I am open to recommendations to anyone who actually uses one of those chain cleaners. Paint thinner is a solvent (mineral spirits) and is rather slow to evaporate. Solvent Evaporation Rate Strength (Minutes) (KB Value) Denatured 91% Alcohol 3 Limited Solvency VM & P Naphtha 4 38 Lacquer Thinner 2 100 Paint Thinner or Mineral Spirits 60 35 Toluene 3.5 105 Xylene 12 98 Acetone 1 Infinite MEK 2 Infinite Turpentine 40 55 Kerosene 325 30 Some of the above are banned in the People's Republic of California by the VoC Ban. If you want a fast clean, with low residue, methinks acetone would be the best bet. Mixing it with paint thinner isn't going to do anything useful. When the acetone evaporates, what's left is the paint thinner, which will then slowly evaporate. You might also want to try lacquer thinner. However, the modern stuff is a mix of other solvents, which can vary: https://ecolink.com/info/differences-between-lacquer-thinner-11-lacquer-thinner-48-and-lacquer-thinner-51/ Both acetone and lacquer thinner will attack plastics, rubber, and some paints. If the area where you're working has any of these, don't use these solvents. 91% IPA alcohol is evaporates quickly and is probably good enough. While you're at it: 1. Use gloves 2. Read the safety warnings 3. Use a respirator or do your cleaning outdoors. 4. Think about buying a parts washer: https://www.harborfreight.com/20-gal-parts-washer-with-pump-60769.html https://blastercorp.com/product/parts-washer-solvent/ -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 You must never have used IPA on grease. It does not dissolve grease, it requires an organic solvent. Andy Did you know that Jeff wrote about Iso Propyl Alcohol? = IPA I used an IPA on Friday to patch 30 (count 'em) tubes from my heap of un-patched tubes. Open bottle, pour in glass, drink and patch tubes. It also helps to watch an action movie. -- Jay Beattie. This evening, I'm enjoying some ethanol with juniper berries mixed with a fizzy quinine solution and a twist of lime. Last summer evening and it's just beautiful. And the quinine protects against yellow fever and such. My preference of brands is Bombay Saphire. Though this is a bourbon night for me. Vacation over and back to work tomorrow. To remain on topic, either works while I’m running my chain through a degreaser. -- duane |
Does anything dissolve paint thinner
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 17:08:43 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 4:48:44 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: Did you know that Jeff wrote about Iso Propyl Alcohol? = IPA Clarification: I didn't mean India Pale Ale: http://allaboutbeer.com/beer_style/india-pale-ale/ However, the mistake is forgivable. I don't drink booze and had no idea what IPA beer was until I looked it up. I used an IPA on Friday to patch 30 (count 'em) tubes from my heap of un-patched tubes. Open bottle, pour in glass, drink and patch tubes. It also helps to watch an action movie. -- Jay Beattie. It's not strong enough to be used for inner tube surface preparation, so I'll assume that you drank it. 30 tubes? If that's a years supply, that would be one blowout every 12 days. Assuming your roads aren't covered with broken glass, goat heads, or roofing nails, I would suspect that you purchased your inner tubes from the same vendor that supplied me with my collection of perforated inner tubes. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
Does anything dissolve paint thinner
On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 4:49:25 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 14:05:02 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 2:38:12 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: I use paint thinner and an old tooth brush to clean my bike chain. Is there anything I can spray on the chain to dissolve the thinner or do I have to manually rub it off with a rag? I am open to recommendations to anyone who actually uses one of those chain cleaners. Paint thinner is a solvent (mineral spirits) and is rather slow to evaporate. Solvent Evaporation Rate Strength (Minutes) (KB Value) Denatured 91% Alcohol 3 Limited Solvency VM & P Naphtha 4 38 Lacquer Thinner 2 100 Paint Thinner or Mineral Spirits 60 35 Toluene 3.5 105 Xylene 12 98 Acetone 1 Infinite MEK 2 Infinite Turpentine 40 55 Kerosene 325 30 Some of the above are banned in the People's Republic of California by the VoC Ban. If you want a fast clean, with low residue, methinks acetone would be the best bet. Mixing it with paint thinner isn't going to do anything useful. When the acetone evaporates, what's left is the paint thinner, which will then slowly evaporate. You might also want to try lacquer thinner. However, the modern stuff is a mix of other solvents, which can vary: https://ecolink.com/info/differences-between-lacquer-thinner-11-lacquer-thinner-48-and-lacquer-thinner-51/ Both acetone and lacquer thinner will attack plastics, rubber, and some paints. If the area where you're working has any of these, don't use these solvents. 91% IPA alcohol is evaporates quickly and is probably good enough. While you're at it: 1. Use gloves 2. Read the safety warnings 3. Use a respirator or do your cleaning outdoors. 4. Think about buying a parts washer: https://www.harborfreight.com/20-gal-parts-washer-with-pump-60769.html https://blastercorp.com/product/parts-washer-solvent/ You must never have used IPA on grease. Actually, I have. It works well at dissolving hydrocarbon based non-polar greases. It's also good for removing silicon grease from CPU's and heat sinks. Not so good as a pre-wash for removing grease stains. It does not dissolve grease, it requires an organic solvent. Andy Alcohol is an organic solvent because it contains carbon linked to hydrogen, oxygen, or nitrogen (except for carbonates, cyanides, carbides, etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol ...it is used widely as a solvent and as a cleaning fluid, especially for dissolving oils isopropyl alcohol vs degreaser https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/isopropyl-alcohol-vs-degreaser/ IPA is a solvent, it dissolves grease (and water, and anything else) into itself, so you can wipe it away. Degreaser is a surfactant, so it allows the grease/oil to form microscopic globules in the water, which you then wash or wipe away. It’s essentially concentrated soap. Both will do the same job, but degreaser works better at stripping large amounts of gunk off drivechains as the degreaser and oil form an emulsion, which you can then wash away. If you put IPA in a chain cleaner you’d just be diluting the oil and it still wouldn’t wash off. IPA works best for removing small amounts of gunk, or where you don’t want to leave a trace of soap/water afterwards for example cleaning calipers and levers after bleeding brakes, or sloshing around in suspension forks to remove the last traces of the old oil and any dirt. By the way, you're welcome. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 isopropyl alcohol vs degreaser https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/isopropyl-alcohol-vs-degreaser/ IPA is a solvent, it dissolves grease (and water, and anything else) into itself, so you can wipe it away. I am a retired chemist with over 35 years of experience. And I had to dissolve many substances in order to run analyses and clean equipment. You can say all you want, but IPA NEVER HAS and NEVER WILL dissolve oils and greases. Andy |
Does anything dissolve paint thinner
On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 6:52:32 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/2/2019 1:51 PM, AK wrote: I use paint thinner and an old tooth brush to clean my bike chain. Is there anything I can spray on the chain to dissolve the thinner or do I have to manually rub it off with a rag? I am open to recommendations to anyone who actually uses one of those chain cleaners. Thanks, Andy p.s. Any particular reason you don't use auto disc brake cleaner? It's cheap and available everywhere which is why it's a popular cleaning agent. Ours is a mix of alcohol and acetone but I'm sure other similar versions exist. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I found a more environmentally clean option. Homemade water based cleaner recipe that worked well in a sprayer bottle. 8 oz. water 1 Tbsp Vinegar 1 Tbsp Baking Soda 1 Tsp Dish Soap |
Does anything dissolve paint thinner
On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 6:10:48 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 17:08:43 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 4:48:44 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: Did you know that Jeff wrote about Iso Propyl Alcohol? = IPA Clarification: I didn't mean India Pale Ale: http://allaboutbeer.com/beer_style/india-pale-ale/ However, the mistake is forgivable. I don't drink booze and had no idea what IPA beer was until I looked it up. I used an IPA on Friday to patch 30 (count 'em) tubes from my heap of un-patched tubes. Open bottle, pour in glass, drink and patch tubes. It also helps to watch an action movie. -- Jay Beattie. It's not strong enough to be used for inner tube surface preparation, so I'll assume that you drank it. 30 tubes? If that's a years supply, that would be one blowout every 12 days. Assuming your roads aren't covered with broken glass, goat heads, or roofing nails, I would suspect that you purchased your inner tubes from the same vendor that supplied me with my collection of perforated inner tubes. They had been accumulating for quite a while and are from a herd of bikes. With that said, flats happen a lot during the winter. Only one snake bite, and everything else was a single hole. Four of those tubes didn't stay inflated after patching and have other tiny holes that need attention. Tube brands are all over the board -- a lot of Conti, some Kenda, Specialized and a bunch of no-names from Nashbar or Performance. Also a mix of thick and thin. Many are old and have other patches. -- Jay Beattie. |
Does anything dissolve paint thinner
AK wrote:
On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 6:52:32 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: On 9/2/2019 1:51 PM, AK wrote: I use paint thinner and an old tooth brush to clean my bike chain. Is there anything I can spray on the chain to dissolve the thinner or do I have to manually rub it off with a rag? I am open to recommendations to anyone who actually uses one of those chain cleaners. Thanks, Andy p.s. Any particular reason you don't use auto disc brake cleaner? It's cheap and available everywhere which is why it's a popular cleaning agent. Ours is a mix of alcohol and acetone but I'm sure other similar versions exist. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I found a more environmentally clean option. Homemade water based cleaner recipe that worked well in a sprayer bottle. 8 oz. water 1 Tbsp Vinegar 1 Tbsp Baking Soda 1 Tsp Dish Soap Leave out the vinegar and baking side and I bet it will work just as well, just not put on as much of a show. |
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