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On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote: OH JOY https://www.nytimes.com/video/techno...rless-car.html "Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake I guess the next step is a semi-self-driving-bicycle that detects road and vehicle hazards and takes over control of the bicycle if it detects something dangerous or unsafe. Hint: - Would you fly in an autonomous airplane? - Would you ride in a self driving bus or train? - How do you feel in a driverless elevator? - Would you really want to do the same in an automobile or bicycle? -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 Google Fairfield and Pittsburgh are over the horizon definitive, both ignore the now fact we can't hear an electric car DUH |
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 14:36:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 9:52:38 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote: OH JOY https://www.nytimes.com/video/techno...rless-car.html "Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake I guess the next step is a semi-self-driving-bicycle that detects road and vehicle hazards and takes over control of the bicycle if it detects something dangerous or unsafe. Hint: - Would you fly in an autonomous airplane? - Would you ride in a self driving bus or train? - How do you feel in a driverless elevator? - Would you really want to do the same in an automobile or bicycle? Google Fairfield and Pittsburgh are over the horizon definitive, Nothing found. both ignore the now fact we can't hear an electric car "Electric cars are now required to make noise at low speeds so they don’t sneak up and kill us" https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/16/13651106/electric-car-noise-nhtsa-rule-blind-pedestrian-safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sounds Sample sounds: https://web.archive.org/web/20130306092938/http://www.nhtsa.gov/SampleSounds I wonder how long it will take for drivers to substitute the sounds of horses, cattle stampede, steam trains, covered wagons, tanks, toys, and such? You didn't answer my question. Do you really want a semi-self-driving-bicycle? I'm told that it's for your safety. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:52:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote: OH JOY https://www.nytimes.com/video/techno...rless-car.html "Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake I guess the next step is a semi-self-driving-bicycle that detects road and vehicle hazards and takes over control of the bicycle if it detects something dangerous or unsafe. Hint: - Would you fly in an autonomous airplane? - Would you ride in a self driving bus or train? - How do you feel in a driverless elevator? - Would you really want to do the same in an automobile or bicycle? I believe that essentially most modern subway trains are computer controlled although they may have a "driver" in the control cab and I can't remember ever being in an elevator that had a driver :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 07:37:01 +0700, John B.
wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:52:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote: OH JOY https://www.nytimes.com/video/techno...rless-car.html "Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake I guess the next step is a semi-self-driving-bicycle that detects road and vehicle hazards and takes over control of the bicycle if it detects something dangerous or unsafe. Hint: - Would you fly in an autonomous airplane? - Would you ride in a self driving bus or train? - How do you feel in a driverless elevator? - Would you really want to do the same in an automobile or bicycle? I believe that essentially most modern subway trains are computer controlled although they may have a "driver" in the control cab and I can't remember ever being in an elevator that had a driver :-) I live on the left coast of the USofA. We don't have subways except for BART. Subways are an east coast thing. Trains and subways have various levels of automation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_subway_systems#Degre es_of_Automation I think there has been sufficient experience to consider a self driving train to be safe. Probably same for an elevator. Airplanes have been able to takeoff, fly, and land without a pilot for many years. I'm not sure if the airlines actually do that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoland So, are you ready and willing to have your bicycle do many of the same things? Incidentally, the last time I rode in an elevator with an operator was in the late 1950's or early 1960's. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 10/5/2017 12:37 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 07:37:01 +0700, John B. wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:52:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote: OH JOY https://www.nytimes.com/video/techno...rless-car.html "Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake" http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake I guess the next step is a semi-self-driving-bicycle that detects road and vehicle hazards and takes over control of the bicycle if it detects something dangerous or unsafe. Hint: - Would you fly in an autonomous airplane? - Would you ride in a self driving bus or train? - How do you feel in a driverless elevator? - Would you really want to do the same in an automobile or bicycle? I believe that essentially most modern subway trains are computer controlled although they may have a "driver" in the control cab and I can't remember ever being in an elevator that had a driver :-) I live on the left coast of the USofA. We don't have subways except for BART. Subways are an east coast thing. Trains and subways have various levels of automation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_subway_systems#Degre es_of_Automation I think there has been sufficient experience to consider a self driving train to be safe. Probably same for an elevator. Airplanes have been able to takeoff, fly, and land without a pilot for many years. I'm not sure if the airlines actually do that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoland So, are you ready and willing to have your bicycle do many of the same things? Incidentally, the last time I rode in an elevator with an operator was in the late 1950's or early 1960's. Pittsburgh International Airport uses self-driving subway shuttles to carry passengers between terminals. I've never experienced or even heard of a problem. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
:On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 07:37:01 +0700, John B. :wrote: :On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:52:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann :wrote: : :On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote: : :OH JOY :https://www.nytimes.com/video/techno...rless-car.html : :"Bikes May Have To Talk To Self-Driving Cars For Safety's Sake" :http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/07/24/537746346/bikes-may-have-to-talk-to-self-driving-cars-for-safetys-sake :I guess the next step is a semi-self-driving-bicycle that detects road :and vehicle hazards and takes over control of the bicycle if it :detects something dangerous or unsafe. : :Hint: :- Would you fly in an autonomous airplane? :- Would you ride in a self driving bus or train? :- How do you feel in a driverless elevator? :- Would you really want to do the same in an automobile or bicycle? :I believe that essentially most modern subway trains are computer :controlled although they may have a "driver" in the control cab and I :can't remember ever being in an elevator that had a driver :-) :I live on the left coast of the USofA. We don't have subways except :for BART. Subways are an east coast thing. :Trains and subways have various levels of automation: :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_subway_systems#Degre es_of_Automation :I think there has been sufficient experience to consider a self :driving train to be safe. Probably same for an elevator. Airplanes :have been able to takeoff, fly, and land without a pilot for many :years. I'm not sure if the airlines actually do that: :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoland :So, are you ready and willing to have your bicycle do many of the same :things? :Incidentally, the last time I rode in an elevator with an operator was :in the late 1950's or early 1960's. I rode one last month. (Fine Arts building in Chicago has completely manually operated elevators, operator has to stop in the right place.) -- This is a randomly numbered sig. |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote: I think there has been sufficient experience to consider a self driving train to be safe. Probably same for an elevator. It’s not even a question of experience, but of environment. Elevators operate in a very controlled space. It should come as no surprise that they were easy to automate a long time ago, and that people are comfortable with their automation. Trains also operate in a fairly restricted space. Being on rails, they’re essentially a low-hanging-fruit version of an autonomous vehicle. If they aren’t the *first* vehicles being universally controlled by computers, that technology is not road worthy. Airplanes have been able to takeoff, fly, and land without a pilot for many years. Air travel is “easy” because there’s very little in the way of physical restrictions on the vehicle. So, are you ready and willing to have your bicycle do many of the same things? Cars, motorcycles, and (lastly) bikes are used in *very* different conditions from those other vehicles. The driving environment is inherently messy, and the smaller the vehicle is the less equipment you can put on it to process that data. It doesn’t help that smaller vehicles will also be able to travel into places that a larger vehicle cannot. So, no, I wouldn’t want my bike to always operate like a car, just like I’m sure most people don’t want a car that operates like a train. Or, put another way, why would I go biking if the only thing I’m acting as is a weak engine? Just slap an electric motor on it at that point and make it like every other autonomous vehicle on the road. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly |
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