Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
 

This from a certain Ian Jackson in urcm:

In article 20101213224910.00673daf@gododdin,
Simon Brooke wrote:


I wouldn't know. Except when I went head first into a cliff I've never
been over the handlebars.


Everyone has seen the video of my front camera falling into the
spokes
and locking up my front wheel at 20+mph ?

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/
Top entry "2007-9-15 Crash"


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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
 

"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative."

Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over thehandlebars!
 

On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:21:36 -0800 (PST)
Derek C wrote:

This from a certain Ian Jackson in urcm:

In article 20101213224910.00673daf@gododdin,
Simon Brooke wrote:


I wouldn't know. Except when I went head first into a cliff I've
never been over the handlebars.


Everyone has seen the video of my front camera falling into the
spokes
and locking up my front wheel at 20+mph ?

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/
Top entry "2007-9-15 Crash"

You probably think you have some sort of point, but I have to say
you're not doing a terribly good job of making it.

Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
 

Derek C wrote:

This

Presumably you have a link to show where IJ, or indeed anyone who rides
regularly, specifically said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never
go over the handlebars" rather than you simply inferring or spinning
what they actually said.

Otherwise, do you have a point?

--
Paul - xxx

Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
 

On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:21:36 -0800 (PST), Derek C
wrote:

This from a certain Ian Jackson in urcm:

In article 20101213224910.00673daf@gododdin,
Simon Brooke wrote:


I wouldn't know. Except when I went head first into a cliff I've never
been over the handlebars.


Everyone has seen the video of my front camera falling into the
spokes
and locking up my front wheel at 20+mph ?

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/bikecams/
Top entry "2007-9-15 Crash"



Incredible - what a knob he really is.

Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
 

On Dec 15, 2:04*pm, "Paul - xxx" wrote:
Derek C wrote:
This

Presumably you have a link to show where IJ, or indeed anyone who rides
regularly, specifically said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never
go over the handlebars" rather than you simply inferring or spinning
what they actually said.

Otherwise, do you have a point?

--
Paul - xxx

Several contributors to this group, including Messrs. Chapman and
Ravin, have suggested that cycling is not at all dangerous and
cyclists never go over the handlebars and fall on their heads. Hence
there is no justification for wearing cycle helmets. The official DfT
road accident ststistics show a somewhat different picture, with 38%
of cyclists involved in accidents suffering some degree of head or
facial injury. I myself have suffered such an injury when falling off
a bike.

Cycling is great fun, a practical way of making short local journeys
and keeps you fit. However it is intrinsically more dangerous than
driving a modern car, so in my opinion it is worth taking sensible
precautions such as wearing a decent cycle helmet. I will now sit back
and wait for all the flack from the psycholists.

Derek C

Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
 

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Ah yes, that reminds me: you were supposed to provide the message-id
where anyone other than you made the claim that cyclists never go over
the bars.

Here's a space for you:



Off you go, now, there's a good chap.

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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
 

Derek C wrote:

On Dec 15, 2:04*pm, "Paul - xxx" wrote:
Derek C wrote:
This

Presumably you have a link to show where IJ, or indeed anyone who
rides regularly, specifically said "cycling is not dangerous and
riders never go over the handlebars" rather than you simply
inferring or spinning what they actually said.

Otherwise, do you have a point?

Several contributors to this group, including Messrs. Chapman and
Ravin, have suggested that cycling is not at all dangerous and
cyclists never go over the handlebars and fall on their heads.

So the answer is no, you don't have a link to show where anyone
actually said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the
handlebars"

So again, do you have a point?

--
Paul - xxx

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On 15/12/2010 19:04, Derek C wrote:

Several contributors to this group, including Messrs. Chapman and
Ravin, have suggested that cycling is not at all dangerous and
cyclists never go over the handlebars and fall on their heads. Hence
there is no justification for wearing cycle helmets. The official DfT
road accident ststistics show a somewhat different picture, with 38%
of cyclists involved in accidents suffering some degree of head or
facial injury. I myself have suffered such an injury when falling off
a bike.

You must now prodice the message IDs in which those named said that
cycling is "not at all" dangerous or that cyclists "never go over the
handlebars" or you will have to admit to being a liar. It will be a lie
since you have made this claim before and failed to substantiate it.

Message IDs or you're a liar. Those are the only two options here.

Cycling is great fun, a practical way of making short local journeys
and keeps you fit. However it is intrinsically more dangerous than
driving a modern car, so in my opinion it is worth taking sensible
precautions such as wearing a decent cycle helmet. I will now sit back
and wait for all the flack from the psycholists.

Dangerous to whom? Cycling is intrinsically quite low risk, as we see in
the Netherlands; what risk there is comes mainly from all those people
driving all those modern cars.

We'll leave aside the rather obvious example of begging the question, as
you already know that to be fallacious even though you continue to
assert it.

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Why cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the handlebars!
 

On Dec 15, 8:39*pm, "Paul - xxx" wrote:
Derek C wrote:
On Dec 15, 2:04*pm, "Paul - xxx" wrote:
Derek C wrote:
This

Presumably you have a link to show where IJ, or indeed anyone who
rides regularly, specifically said "cycling is not dangerous and
riders never go over the handlebars" rather than you simply
inferring or spinning what they actually said.

Otherwise, do you have a point?

Several contributors to this group, including Messrs. Chapman and
Ravin, have suggested that cycling is not at all dangerous and
cyclists never go over the handlebars and fall on their heads.

So the answer is no, you don't have a link to show where anyone
actually said "cycling is not dangerous and riders never go over the
handlebars"

So again, do you have a point?

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Paul - xxx/

Yes. In my opinion it is sensible to wear a cycle helmet when riding a
bicycle.

Derek C