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A new year's resolution for all of us
Could we all make a set of new years resolutions as follows:
* I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is primarily about motoring * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- posted to any other group -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; killing [afghan|iraqi] civilians is not 'justice' |
A new year's resolution for all of us
Simon Brooke wrote:
Could we all make a set of new years resolutions as follows: Are you telling us, or asking us? * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is primarily about motoring What's the point of that one? You're not interested in road safety issues that may impact cyclists? * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls You've already broken that one - remember? http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.cycling/msg/993f55cc41d29312 Was it the resultant egg on your face that prompted this post? http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.cycling/msg/7499657a0bd77b93 http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.cycling/msg/b462f072e7eb8199 * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- posted to any other group Maybe some of the narrower-minded of the urc old-guard will follow your diktat, but I've noticed how refreshingly open-minded some of the newer contributors here are, so I doubt that they'll toe the line. -- Matt B |
A new year's resolution for all of us
Matt B wrote:
Maybe some of the narrower-minded of the urc old-guard will follow your diktat, but I've noticed how refreshingly open-minded some of the newer contributors here are, so I doubt that they'll toe the line. Another way of putting that might be "I've noticed that some of the newer contributors haven't yet realised I'm a single-issue poster with no interest in discussing any other aspect of cycling, and while I know that sooner or later they'll put two and two together I hope the influx will continue so that they in turn will be replaced by more easy targets for my tedious hobbyhorsery". It's a shame that the web-based forums all have such comparatively sucky user interfaces, because they really are where the actual discussion happens these days. Usenet is dead, film at any time you want. -dan |
A new year's resolution for all of us
Simon Brooke wrote:
Could we all make a set of new years resolutions as follows: * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is primarily about motoring * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- posted to any other group Just #2 for me. I /might/ be interested in a motoring thread one day, and I don't object to threads x-posted to a couple of relevant groups. ~PB |
A new year's resolution for all of us
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message ... Could we all make a set of new years resolutions as follows: * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is primarily about motoring Actually, I enjoy motoring as well as being on the bike (or trike). Maybe I don't notice them, but are many threads *primarily* about motoring? * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls Some of us have the trolls kill-filed anyhow :) * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- posted to any other group I try not to cross-post anyhow, but occasionally have to slap my own wrist :) |
A new year's resolution for all of us
wafflycat wrote:
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message ... Could we all make a set of new years resolutions as follows: * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is primarily about motoring Actually, I enjoy motoring as well as being on the bike (or trike). Maybe I don't notice them, but are many threads *primarily* about motoring? * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls Some of us have the trolls kill-filed anyhow :) I have the mattb one kill filed but keep forgetting the nugent one, I'll have to try and remember the next time he pops up |
A new year's resolution for all of us
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message ... * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls I do find that sometimes these two make some valid points. Looking through the archives I have found some interesting debates. It is good to have people with differing points of view as it would be boring if everyone agreed with everyone else all the time. Also, if I want to disagree with someone about an emotive subject is there a "right" way and a "wrong" way to go about this? Adam |
A new year's resolution for all of us
Adam Lea wrote:
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message ... * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls I do find that sometimes these two make some valid points. Looking through the archives I have found some interesting debates. It is good to have people with differing points of view as it would be boring if everyone agreed with everyone else all the time. Also, if I want to disagree with someone about an emotive subject is there a "right" way and a "wrong" way to go about this? The right way is to go over to uk.rec.driving.frothing.at.the.mouth and do it there. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ Morning had broken, and there was nothing we could do but wait patiently for the RAC to arrive. |
A new year's resolution for all of us
Amen to that. . .
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message ... : Could we all make a set of new years resolutions as follows: : : * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is primarily : about motoring : * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known : safespeed trolls : * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- : posted to any other group : : -- : (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ : : ;; killing [afghan|iraqi] civilians is not 'justice' : --- a friendly growl from the bear on the Zephyr that roars __ __ __ _ __ /__/ / /__/ /_ /_\ /_ / /_ / _ / /__/ /__ / \ / \ ....Kawasaki Zephyr barry j taylor Ulysses #25871: netrider #549 Skype: ursusaustralis ~~~ ~ _@ ~~ ~ _- \, ~~ (*)/ (*) . . . bjbear on his treadly |
A new year's resolution for all of us
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A new year's resolution for all of us
"Paul - xxx" wrote in message ... Simon Brooke wibbled Could we all make a set of new years resolutions as follows: * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is primarily about motoring * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- posted to any other group Nope. Just because you don't want to see other viewpoints, doesn't mean everyones outlook is so blinkered. -- I don't think it is the alternative viewpoints that Simon has a peoblem with. It is more people who argue using flawed data/statistical analysis and refuse to listen to logical reasoning when this is pointed out to them. |
A new year's resolution for all of us
Simon Brooke wrote:
Could we all make a set of new years resolutions as follows: * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is primarily about motoring I'm willing to be held to that one. * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls I am happy to killfile any thread that is going round in circles. However, you continue to be unfair to suggest that Matt B is a safespeed troll and, as far as I can recall, have yet to provide any evidence that he is. * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- posted to any other group No, sometimes such discussion is relevant and constructive. When discussion ceases to be constructive that is when it is better to make one's excuses and leave the discussion. Cheers, Luke -- Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in exile in Lancashire http://www.shrimper.org.uk |
A new year's resolution for all of us
wafflycat wrote:
"Simon Brooke" wrote in message ... Could we all make a set of new years resolutions as follows: * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is primarily about motoring Actually, I enjoy motoring as well as being on the bike (or trike). Maybe I don't notice them, but are many threads *primarily* about motoring? I don't see many primarily about motoring, but their are a lot that touch on motoring in a way that directly applies to cycling. e.g. Road safety. * I shall not follow up to JNugent, Matt B or any of the other well-known safespeed trolls Some of us have the trolls kill-filed anyhow :) The problem is that they occasionally jump out of my kill files, and I usually put Matt B straight back in, but at the moment I am a bit bored. * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- posted to any other group I try not to cross-post anyhow, but occasionally have to slap my own wrist :) Cross posted threads are not by definition bad. Many can be good. However some crossposted to e.g. uk.wreck.driving will nearly always descend into a troll/flame war. |
A new year's resolution for all of us
Martin Dann wrote:
wafflycat wrote: "Simon Brooke" wrote in message ... * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- posted to any other group I try not to cross-post anyhow, but occasionally have to slap my own wrist :) Cross posted threads are not by definition bad. Many can be good. However some crossposted to e.g. uk.wreck.driving will nearly always descend into a troll/flame war. Once the idiots have been killfiled (I do this simply by killing the subthreads in which they appeared), it swiftly becomes possible to find those who are willing to engage in intelligent debate. It should be borne in mind by a few more people on this group that 'holder of views with which I disagree' does not equal 'troll'. Cheers, Luke -- Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in exile in Lancashire http://www.shrimper.org.uk |
A new year's resolution for all of us
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A new year's resolution for all of us
Ekul Namsob wrote:
Martin Dann wrote: wafflycat wrote: "Simon Brooke" wrote in message ... * I shall not contribute to any thread on uk.rec.cycling which is cross- posted to any other group I try not to cross-post anyhow, but occasionally have to slap my own wrist :) Cross posted threads are not by definition bad. Many can be good. However some crossposted to e.g. uk.wreck.driving will nearly always descend into a troll/flame war. Once the idiots have been killfiled (I do this simply by killing the subthreads in which they appeared), it swiftly becomes possible to find those who are willing to engage in intelligent debate. It should be borne in mind by a few more people on this group that 'holder of views with which I disagree' does not equal 'troll'. Oh, indeed. My own killfile includes people who advance views with which I agree, but do so repetitiously and in a way intended to provoke argument. If someone wants to come along and make a cogent, coherent and well-mannered argument that it is to the greater good of the community as a whole that motorists should be permitted to kill people with impunity, then I'm prepared not merely to listen but to engage in debate. It's people who endlessly repeat the same tired and dishonest arguments despite repeated rebuttal that end up in my bozo bin. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ IMHO, there aren't enough committed Christians, but that's care in the community for you. -- Ben Evans |
A new year's resolution for all of us
Simon Brooke wrote:
Ekul Namsob wrote: Once the idiots have been killfiled (I do this simply by killing the subthreads in which they appeared), it swiftly becomes possible to find those who are willing to engage in intelligent debate. It should be borne in mind by a few more people on this group that 'holder of views with which I disagree' does not equal 'troll'. Oh, indeed. My own killfile includes people who advance views with which I agree, but do so repetitiously and in a way intended to provoke argument. If someone wants to come along and make a cogent, coherent and well-mannered argument that it is to the greater good of the community as a whole that motorists should be permitted to kill people with impunity, then I'm prepared not merely to listen but to engage in debate. I'm not sure anyone on uk.rec.driving has such views... It's people who endlessly repeat the same tired and dishonest arguments despite repeated rebuttal that end up in my bozo bin. Which is fair enough. Cheers, Luke -- Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in exile in Lancashire http://www.shrimper.org.uk |
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