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gravelmuncher October 3rd 03 11:25 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?



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Duncan October 3rd 03 12:59 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?


Kerosene, from a supermarket.




Duncan October 3rd 03 12:59 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?


Kerosene, from a supermarket.




Tim Jones October 3rd 03 01:10 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?


On the flip side...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?

Looking from the perspective of a comuter bike - not a racing bike. So it is
ridden in the rain with lots of crap going onto the drive train without
necessarily very regular cleaning or oiling ;-)

Tim



Tim Jones October 3rd 03 01:10 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?


On the flip side...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?

Looking from the perspective of a comuter bike - not a racing bike. So it is
ridden in the rain with lots of crap going onto the drive train without
necessarily very regular cleaning or oiling ;-)

Tim



Steve Reynolds October 3rd 03 03:09 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?


Kero or Diggers degreaser

Want to know how to clean your chain see:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html

On the flip side...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


Yep works fine

SR

Steve Reynolds October 3rd 03 03:09 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?


Kero or Diggers degreaser

Want to know how to clean your chain see:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html

On the flip side...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


Yep works fine

SR

Suzy Jackson October 3rd 03 10:39 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


This is IMHO by far the best stuff to use. It foams when it comes out of
the can, to penetrate in under the rollers, and is a decent weight, so it
stays there. I use motorcycle chain oil on all my bikes (racing and
commuting).

Failing that, ordinary motor oil is good too.

Just don't use wax or white lightning, as its build up is _really_ hard to
remove.

Regards,

Suzy



Suzy Jackson October 3rd 03 10:39 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


This is IMHO by far the best stuff to use. It foams when it comes out of
the can, to penetrate in under the rollers, and is a decent weight, so it
stays there. I use motorcycle chain oil on all my bikes (racing and
commuting).

Failing that, ordinary motor oil is good too.

Just don't use wax or white lightning, as its build up is _really_ hard to
remove.

Regards,

Suzy



David Trudgett October 4th 03 12:15 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Suzy Jackson wrote:

"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?



This is IMHO by far the best stuff to use. It foams when it comes out of
the can, to penetrate in under the rollers, and is a decent weight, so it
stays there. I use motorcycle chain oil on all my bikes (racing and
commuting).

Failing that, ordinary motor oil is good too.

Just don't use wax or white lightning, as its build up is _really_ hard to
remove.


I use Singer light machine oil on mine, and it seems to work OK, but
I've never used anything else. so I can't compare it with anything...

David


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what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly
disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and
inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has
already happened.

-- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"





David Trudgett October 4th 03 12:15 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Suzy Jackson wrote:

"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?



This is IMHO by far the best stuff to use. It foams when it comes out of
the can, to penetrate in under the rollers, and is a decent weight, so it
stays there. I use motorcycle chain oil on all my bikes (racing and
commuting).

Failing that, ordinary motor oil is good too.

Just don't use wax or white lightning, as its build up is _really_ hard to
remove.


I use Singer light machine oil on mine, and it seems to work OK, but
I've never used anything else. so I can't compare it with anything...

David


--

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly
disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and
inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has
already happened.

-- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"





Tim Jones October 4th 03 09:13 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Suzy Jackson" wrote in message
...
"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


This is IMHO by far the best stuff to use. It foams when it comes out of
the can, to penetrate in under the rollers, and is a decent weight, so it
stays there. I use motorcycle chain oil on all my bikes (racing and
commuting).

Failing that, ordinary motor oil is good too.

Just don't use wax or white lightning, as its build up is _really_ hard to
remove.


Thanks for the answers everyone!

Tim



Tim Jones October 4th 03 09:13 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Suzy Jackson" wrote in message
...
"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


This is IMHO by far the best stuff to use. It foams when it comes out of
the can, to penetrate in under the rollers, and is a decent weight, so it
stays there. I use motorcycle chain oil on all my bikes (racing and
commuting).

Failing that, ordinary motor oil is good too.

Just don't use wax or white lightning, as its build up is _really_ hard to
remove.


Thanks for the answers everyone!

Tim



Tim Jones October 4th 03 09:13 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Suzy Jackson" wrote in message
...
"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


This is IMHO by far the best stuff to use. It foams when it comes out of
the can, to penetrate in under the rollers, and is a decent weight, so it
stays there. I use motorcycle chain oil on all my bikes (racing and
commuting).

Failing that, ordinary motor oil is good too.

Just don't use wax or white lightning, as its build up is _really_ hard to
remove.


Thanks for the answers everyone!

Tim



Mike October 4th 03 12:02 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Tim Jones wrote:

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to apply.
But like any oil, dirt sticks.
So if you ride in dirt, consider a dry lube. It needs to be applied
much more often though.
And its only the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so
wipe excess oil off the outside.


Mike October 4th 03 12:02 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Tim Jones wrote:

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to apply.
But like any oil, dirt sticks.
So if you ride in dirt, consider a dry lube. It needs to be applied
much more often though.
And its only the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so
wipe excess oil off the outside.


Mike October 4th 03 12:02 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Tim Jones wrote:

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?


Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to apply.
But like any oil, dirt sticks.
So if you ride in dirt, consider a dry lube. It needs to be applied
much more often though.
And its only the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so
wipe excess oil off the outside.


gravelmuncher October 4th 03 02:25 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Anonymous wrote:
Tim Jones wrote:
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for
oiling their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?

Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to
apply. But like any oil, dirt sticks. So if you ride in dirt, consider
a dry lube. It needs to be applied much more often though. And its only
the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so wipe excess oil off
the outside.




I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.
Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.



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gravelmuncher October 4th 03 02:25 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Anonymous wrote:
Tim Jones wrote:
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for
oiling their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?

Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to
apply. But like any oil, dirt sticks. So if you ride in dirt, consider
a dry lube. It needs to be applied much more often though. And its only
the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so wipe excess oil off
the outside.




I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.
Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.



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gravelmuncher October 4th 03 02:25 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Anonymous wrote:
Tim Jones wrote:
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for
oiling their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?

Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to
apply. But like any oil, dirt sticks. So if you ride in dirt, consider
a dry lube. It needs to be applied much more often though. And its only
the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so wipe excess oil off
the outside.




I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.
Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.



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Suzy Jackson October 4th 03 09:05 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.


SRAM make neat little master links that you can open without tools. Their
chains are much better than the Shimano/Campy equivalents in terms of
useability.

Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.


Don't worry - you'll scratch it soon, and then you'll be able to enjoy it
that much better.

Regards,

Suzy



Suzy Jackson October 4th 03 09:05 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.


SRAM make neat little master links that you can open without tools. Their
chains are much better than the Shimano/Campy equivalents in terms of
useability.

Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.


Don't worry - you'll scratch it soon, and then you'll be able to enjoy it
that much better.

Regards,

Suzy



Suzy Jackson October 4th 03 09:05 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.


SRAM make neat little master links that you can open without tools. Their
chains are much better than the Shimano/Campy equivalents in terms of
useability.

Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.


Don't worry - you'll scratch it soon, and then you'll be able to enjoy it
that much better.

Regards,

Suzy



Cody October 5th 03 12:00 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?


Parrafin wax. the best, say goodbye to dirty hands! Chains seem to last as
long as using any other method.



Cody October 5th 03 12:00 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?


Parrafin wax. the best, say goodbye to dirty hands! Chains seem to last as
long as using any other method.



Cody October 5th 03 12:00 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?


Parrafin wax. the best, say goodbye to dirty hands! Chains seem to last as
long as using any other method.



Deep Freud Moors October 5th 03 02:39 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
gravelmuncher wrote in message
...
Anonymous wrote:
Tim Jones wrote:
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for
oiling their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?

Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to
apply. But like any oil, dirt sticks. So if you ride in dirt, consider
a dry lube. It needs to be applied much more often though. And its

only
the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so wipe excess oil off
the outside.




I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.


It's a problem with cheap and nasty chains. After a while though, you do get
good at breaking chains though. Oiling the link before breaking it can do
wonders (would you believe???). And naturally breaking it at a different
point each time makes sense.

Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.


With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out. Dirt and poorly adjusted
cones are the two things that will kill bearings and cones faster than
anything else.

There are super-greases, like MBL, which definitely do assist in
lubrication, but you have to reapply it pretty regularly. The benefits of
the reduced friction are very small.
---
DFM



Deep Freud Moors October 5th 03 02:39 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
gravelmuncher wrote in message
...
Anonymous wrote:
Tim Jones wrote:
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for
oiling their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?

Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to
apply. But like any oil, dirt sticks. So if you ride in dirt, consider
a dry lube. It needs to be applied much more often though. And its

only
the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so wipe excess oil off
the outside.




I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.


It's a problem with cheap and nasty chains. After a while though, you do get
good at breaking chains though. Oiling the link before breaking it can do
wonders (would you believe???). And naturally breaking it at a different
point each time makes sense.

Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.


With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out. Dirt and poorly adjusted
cones are the two things that will kill bearings and cones faster than
anything else.

There are super-greases, like MBL, which definitely do assist in
lubrication, but you have to reapply it pretty regularly. The benefits of
the reduced friction are very small.
---
DFM



Deep Freud Moors October 5th 03 02:39 AM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
gravelmuncher wrote in message
...
Anonymous wrote:
Tim Jones wrote:
Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for
oiling their chain?

Motorcycle chain oil?

Sure, thats good for regular riding. Its penetrating, and easy to
apply. But like any oil, dirt sticks. So if you ride in dirt, consider
a dry lube. It needs to be applied much more often though. And its

only
the inside of the chain that needs to be lubed, so wipe excess oil off
the outside.




I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.


It's a problem with cheap and nasty chains. After a while though, you do get
good at breaking chains though. Oiling the link before breaking it can do
wonders (would you believe???). And naturally breaking it at a different
point each time makes sense.

Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain? and how the hell are you
to get the damn soap off?! So now my pride and joy is getting dirtier
and i'm still scared i'm gonna stuff something. I did buy some kerosene
to degrease it though...guess now i just need to figure the best way to
go about it.


With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out. Dirt and poorly adjusted
cones are the two things that will kill bearings and cones faster than
anything else.

There are super-greases, like MBL, which definitely do assist in
lubrication, but you have to reapply it pretty regularly. The benefits of
the reduced friction are very small.
---
DFM



Mike October 5th 03 12:22 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Deep Freud Moors wrote:
gravelmuncher wrote in message


I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.


Its also less effort to clean it on the bike. Just get one of those
gadgets that clips onto the chain, and runs it between three brush
wheels, through a degreaser bath. Less than $20.

Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain?


Slightly exagerrated. Don't run a HIGH PRESSURE hose intop the bearings.
ie, keep the pressure down, or be careful where you aim it.

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out.


You forgot noise! I hate the squeal of dry bearings.


Mike October 5th 03 12:22 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Deep Freud Moors wrote:
gravelmuncher wrote in message


I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.


Its also less effort to clean it on the bike. Just get one of those
gadgets that clips onto the chain, and runs it between three brush
wheels, through a degreaser bath. Less than $20.

Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain?


Slightly exagerrated. Don't run a HIGH PRESSURE hose intop the bearings.
ie, keep the pressure down, or be careful where you aim it.

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out.


You forgot noise! I hate the squeal of dry bearings.


Mike October 5th 03 12:22 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Deep Freud Moors wrote:
gravelmuncher wrote in message


I found a spray/lube/displacer with zonyl in it, so i'll give it a go.
You see, I've just bought a new Trek 1400 and i'm absolutely terrified
that i'll do something to hurt it. I've also heard that it's best to
clean the chain on the bike, as breaking the chain only shortens the
lifespan of that particular link(???) kinda makes sense really.


Its also less effort to clean it on the bike. Just get one of those
gadgets that clips onto the chain, and runs it between three brush
wheels, through a degreaser bath. Less than $20.

Although, the same person says not to run a hose over the bike so as not
to get water in bearings - but what about rain?


Slightly exagerrated. Don't run a HIGH PRESSURE hose intop the bearings.
ie, keep the pressure down, or be careful where you aim it.

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out.


You forgot noise! I hate the squeal of dry bearings.


Duncan October 5th 03 01:39 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?


On the flip side...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?


85/140W oil (manual transmission or hypoiid gear oil) it's the heaviest
I've found.
It's a bit thick so I soak the chain on a baking tin in the oven so it heats
up and penetrates well.

Motorcycle chain oil?


Some motorcyle chain lubes may be ok but avoid the heavier chain 'waxes'. I
used some once that almost seized[1] the chain at low temperatures, it's
designed to operate at much higher temps on a motorbike.

[1] was too stiff to change direction fast enough around the jockey wheels.



Duncan October 5th 03 01:39 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?


On the flip side...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?


85/140W oil (manual transmission or hypoiid gear oil) it's the heaviest
I've found.
It's a bit thick so I soak the chain on a baking tin in the oven so it heats
up and penetrates well.

Motorcycle chain oil?


Some motorcyle chain lubes may be ok but avoid the heavier chain 'waxes'. I
used some once that almost seized[1] the chain at low temperatures, it's
designed to operate at much higher temps on a motorbike.

[1] was too stiff to change direction fast enough around the jockey wheels.



Duncan October 5th 03 01:39 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
"Tim Jones" wrote in message
. au...
"gravelmuncher" wrote in message
...
Any suggestions on solvents for cleaning the drivetrain, and where
to buy them?


On the flip side...

Other than expensive bike store lubricant, what do people use for oiling
their chain?


85/140W oil (manual transmission or hypoiid gear oil) it's the heaviest
I've found.
It's a bit thick so I soak the chain on a baking tin in the oven so it heats
up and penetrates well.

Motorcycle chain oil?


Some motorcyle chain lubes may be ok but avoid the heavier chain 'waxes'. I
used some once that almost seized[1] the chain at low temperatures, it's
designed to operate at much higher temps on a motorbike.

[1] was too stiff to change direction fast enough around the jockey wheels.



Deep Freud Moors October 5th 03 02:06 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease,

getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease

is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out.


You forgot noise! I hate the squeal of dry bearings.


I've never actually come across squeaky bearings as yet. Seen plenty of
completely stuff ones, that have corroded and still been ridden, but usually
they just grind.

But it's the sound of a dry chain just sends shivers up my spine. I can't
stand that. Once I got this guy to pull his bike over, and I oiled his chain
for him!
---
DFM



Deep Freud Moors October 5th 03 02:06 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease,

getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease

is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out.


You forgot noise! I hate the squeal of dry bearings.


I've never actually come across squeaky bearings as yet. Seen plenty of
completely stuff ones, that have corroded and still been ridden, but usually
they just grind.

But it's the sound of a dry chain just sends shivers up my spine. I can't
stand that. Once I got this guy to pull his bike over, and I oiled his chain
for him!
---
DFM



Deep Freud Moors October 5th 03 02:06 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease,

getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease

is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out.


You forgot noise! I hate the squeal of dry bearings.


I've never actually come across squeaky bearings as yet. Seen plenty of
completely stuff ones, that have corroded and still been ridden, but usually
they just grind.

But it's the sound of a dry chain just sends shivers up my spine. I can't
stand that. Once I got this guy to pull his bike over, and I oiled his chain
for him!
---
DFM



Jose Rizal October 5th 03 04:58 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Deep Freud Moors:

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out.


Not true. In bearings the primary purpose of grease is lubrication.
The primary purpose of seals is keeping water and dirt out.




Jose Rizal October 5th 03 04:58 PM

cleaning fun...(not)
 
Deep Freud Moors:

With regards to your bearings, if they are well packed with grease, getting
water in should not be a big problem. The primary purpose of the grease is
not lubrication, but to keep dirt and water out.


Not true. In bearings the primary purpose of grease is lubrication.
The primary purpose of seals is keeping water and dirt out.





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