Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...hen_rode_off_/

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco delivery
van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital suffering
two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the head, which
needed to be glued back together.

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On Aug 13, 5:08*pm, "John Benn" wrote:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...d_me_down__the...

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco delivery
van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital suffering
two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the head, which
needed to be glued back together.

If only somebody had taken his bicycle away, crushed it, and forced
him to drive a car, the world would have become a much safer place.

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On 13/08/2012 18:20, Squashme wrote:
On Aug 13, 5:08 pm, "John Benn" wrote:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...d_me_down__the...

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco delivery
van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital suffering
two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the head, which
needed to be glued back together.

If only somebody had taken his bicycle away, crushed it, and forced
him to drive a car, the world would have become a much safer place.


Now come along, you've already won prick of the year award, so there's
no need for you to contest the runner-up position as well - despite
being in with a bloody good chance.

--
OUT OF MY WAY you plebs!

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On Aug 13, 9:23*pm, Mondeo-Man-Yes wrote:
On 13/08/2012 18:20, Squashme wrote:









On Aug 13, 5:08 pm, "John Benn" wrote:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...d_me_down__the....

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell"..

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco delivery
van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital suffering
two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the head, which
needed to be glued back together.

If only somebody had taken his bicycle away, crushed it, and forced
him to drive a car, the world would have become a much safer place.

Now come along, you've already won prick of the year award, so there's
no need for you to contest the runner-up position as well - despite
being in with a bloody good chance.

--
OUT OF MY WAY you plebs!

Why, thank you for your approval. Which one of my many submissions was
the winner?

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On 13/08/2012 21:44, Squashme wrote:
On Aug 13, 9:23 pm, Mondeo-Man-Yes wrote:
On 13/08/2012 18:20, Squashme wrote:









On Aug 13, 5:08 pm, "John Benn" wrote:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...d_me_down__the...

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco delivery
van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital suffering
two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the head, which
needed to be glued back together.

If only somebody had taken his bicycle away, crushed it, and forced
him to drive a car, the world would have become a much safer place.

Now come along, you've already won prick of the year award, so there's
no need for you to contest the runner-up position as well - despite
being in with a bloody good chance.

--
OUT OF MY WAY you plebs!

Why, thank you for your approval. Which one of my many submissions was
the winner?

It's done on overall performance. You won by a mile.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On 13/08/2012 17:08, John Benn wrote:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...hen_rode_off_/


AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to
the ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

Doug will be along in a minute; he hates pedestrians being knocked down
on pavements by........ oh..... hang on......

But according to Doug cyclists do not injure people and even if they do
it somehow magically does not count.

Hmmmmmm

Andy

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On Aug 14, 12:48*am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Is the photo below an example of the kind of people who barely
recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport, for whom
cycling is a bit embarrassing, who fail to see its purpose, and who
have no interest in integrating it into their
lives? Friends of yours?

http://pointlessbanter.net/wp-conten...atanorexia.jpg
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ygqrc79

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On 14/08/2012 13:39, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 14, 12:48 am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Is the photo below an example of the kind of people who barely
recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport, for whom
cycling is a bit embarrassing, who fail to see its purpose, and who
have no interest in integrating it into their
lives? Friends of yours?

http://pointlessbanter.net/wp-conten...atanorexia.jpg
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ygqrc79

Is that the only response you have to the scientific research carried
out by a cyclist?

Face the facts.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On Aug 14, 8:00*pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 14/08/2012 13:39, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 14, 12:48 am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Is the photo below an example of the kind of people who barely
recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport, for whom
cycling is a bit embarrassing, who fail to see its purpose, and who
have no interest in integrating it into their
lives? Friends of yours?

http://pointlessbanter.net/wp-conten...atanorexia.jpg
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ygqrc79

Is that the only response you have to the scientific research carried
out by acyclist?


No, I have other responses.

You posted what seems to be a selective and rather misleading quote
from an interim assessment, so I made an initial response to your
selective and misleading quote, partly in order to judge your
comprehension skills, if any.

Do you comprehend the meaning of the terms 'selective', 'misleading',
and 'interim'?

Do you have any answer to my initial questions about the kind of
people who barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport? Do you find cycling a bit embarrassing? Do you get any
exercise?


Face the facts.


Which facts would you like me to face?

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

"John Benn" wrote in message
...
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...hen_rode_off_/

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco
delivery van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital
suffering two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the
head, which needed to be glued back together.

Who said the cyclist was going like "a bat out of Hell"?

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On 15/08/2012 19:20, Alan Holmes wrote:
"John Benn" wrote in message
...
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...hen_rode_off_/

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco
delivery van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital
suffering two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the
head, which needed to be glued back together.

Who said the cyclist was going like "a bat out of Hell"?

It reads like a quote from the news report... so probably... a witness.

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ...


"John Benn" wrote in message
...
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...hen_rode_off_/

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco
delivery van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital
suffering two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the
head, which needed to be glued back together.

Who said the cyclist was going like "a bat out of Hell"?

The old lady did.

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On 15/08/2012 17:09, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 14, 8:00 pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 14/08/2012 13:39, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 14, 12:48 am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Is the photo below an example of the kind of people who barely
recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport, for whom
cycling is a bit embarrassing, who fail to see its purpose, and who
have no interest in integrating it into their
lives? Friends of yours?

http://pointlessbanter.net/wp-conten...atanorexia.jpg
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ygqrc79

Is that the only response you have to the scientific research carried
out by acyclist?


No, I have other responses.


Biology . any behavior of a living organism that results from an
external or internal stimulus.


You posted what seems to be a selective and rather misleading quote
from an interim assessment, so I made an initial response to your
selective and misleading quote, partly in order to judge your
comprehension skills, if any.

Do you comprehend the meaning of the terms 'selective', 'misleading',
and 'interim'?

I do, but it seems you don't. There is nothing 'selective' or
'misleading' about the research at all. That you find it contradicts
what you would like to believe is your problem.


Do you have any answer to my initial questions about the kind of
people who barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport?

You mean your rather pathetic attempt at humour?

Do you find cycling a bit embarrassing?

I think cyclists are an embarrassment to themselves. The general public
think so too. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing".

Grown men riding children's toys? Clad in fluorescent lycra?

Do you get any
exercise?

Plenty thank you. BTW - cycling isn't the only form of exercise
available. In fact it's not even a very good form of exercise.


Face the facts.


Which facts would you like me to face?

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.





--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

In message , at 19:20:31 on Wed, 15 Aug
2012, Alan Holmes sniffed the air and
proclaimed

"John Benn" wrote in message
...

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...me_down__then_
rode_off_/

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco
delivery van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital
suffering two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the
head, which needed to be glued back together.

Who said the cyclist was going like "a bat out of Hell"?

The old lady he knocked down. Maybe she is a fan of Meatloaf.

Given this thread is xposted into urc which of the cyclists think that
knocking her down, just asking her if she was OK and trying to help her
up then just riding off was an acceptable thing to do when it seems
clear from the reported injuries that she was not "OK".

--
Pedt
Cryptic Clues Round 5, Number #3
If it sounds like you regret a sarcastic comment, plant it! (7)

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:24:12 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.

I am absolutely proud to be thought of as poor, strange and an
embarrassment. That is not my problem.



--
Life is a venereal disease with 100% mortality.

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On Aug 15, 8:24*pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 15/08/2012 17:09, pensive hamster wrote:
[...]
Do you comprehend the meaning of the terms 'selective', 'misleading',
and 'interim'?

I do, but it seems you don't. *There is nothing 'selective' or
'misleading' about the research at all.


You don't seem to have read or comprehended what I wrote. I did not
say that the research itself was 'selective' or 'misleading'. I said
your quote from what appears to be an interim assessment (not the
final research) was selective and misleading. You seem to be cherry-
picking the research.

Further, you do not provide a link to the actual research report so
that the reader can judge the research for themselves. You expect them
to accept your summary of the research.

You seem to have, as the fragrant Mary Archer said of her husband, 'a
talent for inaccurate précis'.


That you find it contradicts
what you would like to believe is your problem.


My problem is that you seem to twist the research to suit your own
beliefs.


Do you have any answer to my initial questions about the kind of
people who barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport?

You mean your rather pathetic attempt at humour?


I am curious to know what sort of person would hold or express the
sort of views you put in your sig. I imagine they might be a bit like
the sort of person Steve Coogan portrayed in 'Saxondale'. Come to
think of it, I don't think I have ever seen Alan Partridge cycling,
either.

Or I imagine they might be the sort of people who go paintballing, or
go 'offroading' in 4x4s. People who look a bit like the people in the
photo I linked to. People with a poor sense of balance, who struggle
with a bicycle, wobble about all over the road, and fall off
frequently.

At any rate, they must be strange people, who apparently see the
bicycle as a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange, and who
feel cycling is a bit embarrassing. And especially, if they fail to
see its purpose, that suggests they must be people of very limited
intelligence. One imagines they would be totally flummoxed by a
wheelbarrow, for example.


Do you find cycling a bit embarrassing?

I think cyclists are an embarrassment to themselves. *The general public
think so too. *"For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing".


You've changed the quote now, from '"Many people' to 'the general
public'. They are not equivalent terms. Do you have a link to any
research showing how many people think cycling is a bit embarrassing?


Grown men riding children's toys? *Clad in fluorescent lycra?


OK, I agree about the fluorescent lycra.

Do you get any
exercise?

Plenty thank you. *BTW - cycling isn't the only form of exercise
available. In fact it's not even a very good form of exercise.



Face the facts.

Which facts would you like me to face?

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.


Maybe on planet Dave they think that.



Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On 16/08/2012 16:12, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 15, 8:24 pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 15/08/2012 17:09, pensive hamster wrote:
[...]
Do you comprehend the meaning of the terms 'selective', 'misleading',
and 'interim'?

I do, but it seems you don't. There is nothing 'selective' or
'misleading' about the research at all.


You don't seem to have read or comprehended what I wrote.

Probably because I couldn't be arsed.

I did not
say that the research itself was 'selective' or 'misleading'. I said
your quote from what appears to be an interim assessment (not the
final research) was selective and misleading. You seem to be cherry-
picking the research.

Not at all. The research said, quite clearly;

"Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange. For them, cycling is a bit
embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in
integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Do let me know if you have trouble with some of the big words.


Further, you do not provide a link to the actual research report so
that the reader can judge the research for themselves. You expect them
to accept your summary of the research.

I have in the past. It's public domain, GIFFS.


You seem to have, as the fragrant Mary Archer said of her husband, 'a
talent for inaccurate précis'.

How do you know Mary Archer is fragrant? I suppose she would be
compared to a sweaty, smelly cyclist husband.


That you find it contradicts
what you would like to believe is your problem.


My problem is that you seem to twist the research to suit your own
beliefs.

Good job cyclists never do that innit?



Do you have any answer to my initial questions about the kind of
people who barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport?

You mean your rather pathetic attempt at humour?


I am curious to know what sort of person would hold or express the
sort of views you put in your sig.

Errm. Someone who dislikes cyclists?

Simple facts are that the general public think cyclists are a PITA.

Perhaps cyclists should adopt the chant of Millwall Football Club "No
one likes us, we don't care"?


I imagine they might be a bit like
the sort of person Steve Coogan portrayed in 'Saxondale'. Come to
think of it, I don't think I have ever seen Alan Partridge cycling,
either.

Probably has more sense.

Or I imagine they might be the sort of people who go paintballing, or
go 'offroading' in 4x4s. People who look a bit like the people in the
photo I linked to.

In which case you have a very weird imagination.

People with a poor sense of balance, who struggle
with a bicycle, wobble about all over the road, and fall off
frequently.

You miss the point completely, as most cyclists do. It's not that
people 'can't' ride push bikes - a trained monkey can do that - it's
simply that they just don't want to ride push bikes. As the research shows.


At any rate, they must be strange people, who apparently see the
bicycle as a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange, and who
feel cycling is a bit embarrassing.

No, just normal regular people. The man on the Clapham Omnibus.


And especially, if they fail to
see its purpose, that suggests they must be people of very limited
intelligence. One imagines they would be totally flummoxed by a
wheelbarrow, for example.

As I said above, you must have a very weird imagination.


Do you find cycling a bit embarrassing?

I think cyclists are an embarrassment to themselves. The general public
think so too. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing".


You've changed the quote now, from '"Many people' to 'the general
public'. They are not equivalent terms. Do you have a link to any
research showing how many people think cycling is a bit embarrassing?

Neither are the terms contradictory. The 'General Public' is not a
measure of numbers. Did you mention comprehension skills earlier?


Grown men riding children's toys? Clad in fluorescent lycra?


OK, I agree about the fluorescent lycra.

As Mr Clarkson said "dressed like extras in a gay rave movie".

Do you get any
exercise?

Plenty thank you. BTW - cycling isn't the only form of exercise
available. In fact it's not even a very good form of exercise.



Face the facts.

Which facts would you like me to face?

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.


Maybe on planet Dave they think that.

Nope. Planet Earth. As the research clearly indicates.

If cyclists had any social skills & interacted with normal people, they
would realise how they are perceived.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On 16/08/2012 16:12, pensive hamster wrote:

Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 15/08/2012 17:09, pensive hamster wrote:
[...]

Do you comprehend the meaning of the terms 'selective', 'misleading',
and 'interim'?

I do, but it seems you don't. There is nothing 'selective' or
'misleading' about the research at all.

You don't seem to have read or comprehended what I wrote. I did not
say that the research itself was 'selective' or 'misleading'. I said
your quote from what appears to be an interim assessment (not the
final research) was selective and misleading. You seem to be cherry-
picking the research.
Further, you do not provide a link to the actual research report so
that the reader can judge the research for themselves. You expect them
to accept your summary of the research.
You seem to have, as the fragrant Mary Archer said of her husband, 'a
talent for inaccurate précis'.

That you find it contradicts
what you would like to believe is your problem.

My problem is that you seem to twist the research to suit your own
beliefs.

Do you have any answer to my initial questions about the kind of
people who barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport?

You mean your rather pathetic attempt at humour?

I am curious to know what sort of person would hold or express the
sort of views you put in your sig. I imagine they might be a bit like
the sort of person Steve Coogan portrayed in 'Saxondale'. Come to
think of it, I don't think I have ever seen Alan Partridge cycling,
either.
Or I imagine they might be the sort of people who go paintballing, or
go 'offroading' in 4x4s. People who look a bit like the people in the
photo I linked to. People with a poor sense of balance, who struggle
with a bicycle, wobble about all over the road, and fall off
frequently.
At any rate, they must be strange people, who apparently see the
bicycle as a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange, and who
feel cycling is a bit embarrassing. And especially, if they fail to
see its purpose, that suggests they must be people of very limited
intelligence. One imagines they would be totally flummoxed by a
wheelbarrow, for example.

Do you find cycling a bit embarrassing?

I think cyclists are an embarrassment to themselves. The general public
think so too. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing".

You've changed the quote now, from '"Many people' to 'the general
public'. They are not equivalent terms. Do you have a link to any
research showing how many people think cycling is a bit embarrassing?

Grown men riding children's toys? Clad in fluorescent lycra?

OK, I agree about the fluorescent lycra.

Do you get any exercise?

Plenty thank you. BTW - cycling isn't the only form of exercise
available. In fact it's not even a very good form of exercise.

Face the facts.

Which facts would you like me to face?

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.

Maybe on planet Dave they think that.

You'd better write pdq to David Horton at the University of Lancaster and
tell him he got his research and his conclusions all wrong.

He needn't have bothered doing any field work, interviews, etc. He could have
just sat in an armchair opposite you and you'd have fed him all the answers.

Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement
 

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:41:34 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:24:12 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.

I am absolutely proud to be thought of as poor, strange and an
embarrassment. That is not my problem.


Indeed - your problem is the fact that you are a ****wit and a silly old sod.

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:08:35 +0100, Judith wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:41:34 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:24:12 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.

I am absolutely proud to be thought of as poor, strange and an
embarrassment. That is not my problem.


Indeed - your problem is the fact that you are a ****wit and a silly old
sod.

**** you. I decide what my problems are. Not you. I have no ****ing
desire to get into your good books. I have a great ****ing desire to be
the most horrible person possible for you.
And why stop at the compliments of ****wit and silly old sod? you
poop****? How about the greater accolades of puerile one-handed slack-
jawed drooling meatslapper or asinine and benighted you churlish boil-
brained clotpole ponce?



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On Aug 16, 6:54*pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 16/08/2012 16:12, pensive hamster wrote:
[...]
I did not
say that the research itself was 'selective' or 'misleading'. I said
your quote from what appears to be an interim assessment (not the
final research) was selective and misleading. You seem to be cherry-
picking the research.

Not at all. *The research said, quite clearly;

"Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange. For them, cycling is a bit
embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in
integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Do let me know if you have trouble with some of the big words.



Further, you do not provide a link to the actual research report so
that the reader can judge the research for themselves. You expect them
to accept your summary of the research.

I have in the past. *It's public domain, GIFFS.



I am guessing that you are probably quoting from the Guardian article
on the research.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...ling-campaigns
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4xozyvx

The Guardian article does contain the quote from Dave Horton that you
like so much that you have adopted it for your sig. But it also
contains the following, which for some reason you have omitted from
your sig:

'A key finding was that the small numbers of people who do try cycling
tend to be intimidated by overwhelmingly car-oriented urban layouts.

'Even to experienced riders these often resemble "a dangerous obstacle
course", Horton said. "The minority of people who cycle in English
cities tend to do so despite, not because of, existing conditions.
Some people try cycling, but are quickly put off." '

So part of the reason why many people do not cycle, according to Dave
Horton, is that they find the roads to be dangerous.

Looking again at the part which you do quote, it includes the
following:

" [For] Many people... the bicycle ... is either a toy for children or
a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange ... For them, cycling
is a bit embarrassing'

Have you read the full report? I would be impressed if you have. I
haven't, I'm not that bothered. The reason I ask, is because I wonder
if the report analyses the socio-economic profile of those holding the
views that you quote. I expect it skirts round that issue.

I would imagine the kind of people who see cycling as a bit
embarrassing, something fit only for the poor and/or strange, are
people who are sensitive to the way they think other people might see
them. They are predominantly lower-class and aspirant lower middle-
class, who would be embarrassed to think that others might see them as
the kind of people who couldn't afford to run a car, who are forced by
necessity to cycle. They couldn't bear the shame. As an April 2012
newspaper article put it:

__________________
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/me...mpetitive.html
http://preview.tinyurl.com/cc3g2ol
[...]
In Britain, cycling has long been sniffed at as the forced option of
the working class, rank with images of flat-capped factory hands and
straw-chewing codgers weaving down farm tracks.

This is no longer the case. According to Mintel, the leading retail
analyst, the wealthier people are, the more likely they are to ride
bikes. ...
__________________


So how about you, Dave? Where are you on the socio-economic scale? Do
you sniff at cycling because you don't want to be seen as working
class, as a strange straw-chewing codger? Or are you more like Dave
(Cameron) and Boris?



You seem to have, as the fragrant Mary Archer said of her husband, 'a
talent for inaccurate précis'.

How do you know Mary Archer is fragrant?


You should follow your own advice and GIFFS. Admittedly, I do not
personally know for sure that Mary Archer is fragrant, but I see no
reason to doubt the opinion of Mr Justice Caulfield, who, after all,
oversaw her cross-examination.


I suppose she would be
compared to a sweaty, smellycyclisthusband.


What makes you think her husband might be a sweaty, smelly cyclist? I
have no reason to suppose that Jeffrey is anything other than
perfectly groomed at all times.

In any case, he might well consider you a lower-class oik who is not
worth suing. So you are probably safe.

[...]
Grown men riding children's toys? *Clad in fluorescent lycra?

OK, I agree about the fluorescent lycra.

As Mr Clarkson said "dressed like extras in a gay rave movie".


Unlike Mr Clarkson, I am a stranger to gay rave movies.

[...]
If cyclists had any social skills & interacted with normal people, they
would realise how they are perceived.


You really haven't got the hang of this snobbery thing, have you? If
you had better social skills, you would realise that over-generalising
about any category of people can be a bit of a give away; people may
perceive you as a bit weird, someone with a bee in their bonnet.

Yes there are some strange cyclists, but there are plenty of normal
ones too, and even some posh ones. Perhaps you just haven't met any?

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On Aug 16, 7:42*pm, JNugent wrote:


You'd better write pdq to David Horton at the University of Lancaster and
tell him he got his research and his conclusions all wrong.

He needn't have bothered doing any field work, interviews, etc. He could have
just sat in an armchair opposite you and you'd have fed him all the answers.

I don't think David Horton has got his research and his conclusions
all wrong, far from it.

But Dave the 'Voice of Reason' seems to have misunderstood the
research, given his selective and misleading quotes from it. He may
just be a troll, or he may be a rampant pedalophobe. Difficult to
tell. At any rate, he doesn't seem all that bright.

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On 18/08/2012 15:44, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 16, 6:54 pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 16/08/2012 16:12, pensive hamster wrote:
[...]
I did not
say that the research itself was 'selective' or 'misleading'. I said
your quote from what appears to be an interim assessment (not the
final research) was selective and misleading. You seem to be cherry-
picking the research.

Not at all. The research said, quite clearly;

"Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange. For them, cycling is a bit
embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in
integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Do let me know if you have trouble with some of the big words.



Further, you do not provide a link to the actual research report so
that the reader can judge the research for themselves. You expect them
to accept your summary of the research.

I have in the past. It's public domain, GIFFS.



I am guessing that you are probably quoting from the Guardian article
on the research.

I have read the original as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...ling-campaigns
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4xozyvx

The Guardian article does contain the quote from Dave Horton that you
like so much that you have adopted it for your sig. But it also
contains the following, which for some reason you have omitted from
your sig:

'A key finding was that the small numbers of people who do try cycling
tend to be intimidated by overwhelmingly car-oriented urban layouts.

Small numbers.

'Even to experienced riders these often resemble "a dangerous obstacle
course", Horton said. "The minority of people who cycle in English
cities tend to do so despite, not because of, existing conditions.
Some people try cycling, but are quickly put off." '

We certainly should not waste public money on making roads more suitable
for a tiny minority. Cyclists need to adapt to the way roads are.

So part of the reason why many people do not cycle, according to Dave
Horton, is that they find the roads to be dangerous.

The unsuitable mode of transport is what's dangerous.

Looking again at the part which you do quote, it includes the
following:

" [For] Many people... the bicycle ... is either a toy for children or
a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange ... For them, cycling
is a bit embarrassing'

Have you read the full report? I would be impressed if you have.

Be impressed.

I haven't, I'm not that bothered.

You don't look bothered. Your face isn't bothered.

The reason I ask, is because I wonder
if the report analyses the socio-economic profile of those holding the
views that you quote. I expect it skirts round that issue.

No, it doesn't skirt around those issues at all. It ignores them
because they are completely irrelevant.


I would imagine the kind of people who see cycling as a bit
embarrassing, something fit only for the poor and/or strange, are
people who are sensitive to the way they think other people might see
them.

You do have a vivid imagination don't you? Bordering on pure fantasy.


They are predominantly lower-class and aspirant lower middle-
class, who would be embarrassed to think that others might see them as
the kind of people who couldn't afford to run a car, who are forced by
necessity to cycle. They couldn't bear the shame. As an April 2012
newspaper article put it:

Here we go again. The standard, oft repeated, cyclists mantra that
cyclists are more intelligent, better educated & wealthier than non
cyclists.

Ze Plane, Ze Plane!



....
__________________


So how about you, Dave? Where are you on the socio-economic scale?

Confident.

Do
you sniff at cycling because you don't want to be seen as working
class, as a strange straw-chewing codger? Or are you more like Dave
(Cameron) and Boris?

I don't want to be seen as a lycra encrusted bell end certainly, but it
has nothing to do with social class, education or wealth. Cyclists are
immature overgrown schoolboys using a child's toy as a form of transport.

They account for less than 2% of journeys, contribute nothing, break the
law constantly, get in the way and are a general irritation.



You seem to have, as the fragrant Mary Archer said of her husband, 'a
talent for inaccurate précis'.

How do you know Mary Archer is fragrant?


You should follow your own advice and GIFFS. Admittedly, I do not
personally know for sure that Mary Archer is fragrant, but I see no
reason to doubt the opinion of Mr Justice Caulfield, who, after all,
oversaw her cross-examination.

Ah. A fragrance trained judge. Whatever next.


I suppose she would be
compared to a sweaty, smellycyclisthusband.


What makes you think her husband might be a sweaty, smelly cyclist? I
have no reason to suppose that Jeffrey is anything other than
perfectly groomed at all times.

Does he not ride a push bike? I rather thought he did. If so he is
highly likely to be sweaty & smelly.

In any case, he might well consider you a lower-class oik who is not
worth suing. So you are probably safe.

[...]
Grown men riding children's toys? Clad in fluorescent lycra?

OK, I agree about the fluorescent lycra.

As Mr Clarkson said "dressed like extras in a gay rave movie".


Unlike Mr Clarkson, I am a stranger to gay rave movies.

[...]
If cyclists had any social skills & interacted with normal people, they
would realise how they are perceived.


You really haven't got the hang of this snobbery thing, have you? If
you had better social skills, you would realise that over-generalising
about any category of people can be a bit of a give away; people may
perceive you as a bit weird, someone with a bee in their bonnet.

Strange how generalising is so accurate though isn't it?

People see me as a warm & wonderful person.

Yes there are some strange cyclists, but there are plenty of normal
ones too, and even some posh ones. Perhaps you just haven't met any?

Father Xmas, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Sasquatch. And now you expect me
to believe there are normal cyclists?



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

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On 18/08/2012 15:47, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 16, 7:42 pm, JNugent wrote:


You'd better write pdq to David Horton at the University of Lancaster and
tell him he got his research and his conclusions all wrong.

He needn't have bothered doing any field work, interviews, etc. He could have
just sat in an armchair opposite you and you'd have fed him all the answers.

I don't think David Horton has got his research and his conclusions
all wrong, far from it.

But Dave the 'Voice of Reason' seems to have misunderstood the
research, given his selective and misleading quotes from it. He may
just be a troll, or he may be a rampant pedalophobe. Difficult to
tell. At any rate, he doesn't seem all that bright.

But bright enough to run rings around you.


Dave Horton is himself a bicyclist. At least he was able to face up to
the truth & acknowledge the facts.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

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"Dave - Cyclists VOR" wrote in message
...

On 18/08/2012 15:44, pensive hamster wrote:


Yes there are some strange cyclists, but there are plenty of normal
ones too, and even some posh ones. Perhaps you just haven't met any?

Father Xmas, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Sasquatch. And now you expect me
to believe there are normal cyclists?
==============

Oi!! :-)

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:48:38 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

The unsuitable mode of transport is what's dangerous.

No it isn't particularly.



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Life is a venereal disease with 100% mortality.