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John October 10th 04 11:46 PM

Cyclist killed, driver cited for going too fast
 
This is the latest article concerning a female cyclist that was struck
and killed by a 17 year old driver. Her riding partner was also hit
but survived. The article doesn't specifically say so, but I believe
they were on a tandem. The cyclist leaves behind a husband and 16
month old child.

http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?pap...&storyid=12911

The driver was determined to be travelling too fast for conditions
(directly into a setting sun). He was apparently exceeding the speed
limit by at least 20%.

http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?pap...&storyid=14851

This was the 2nd cyclist killed this year in the county. The other
was probably hit by a drunk illegal alien (a warrant was issued for
the suspect, but he most likely fled the country). That cyclist is
survived by a wife and 3 children.

http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?pap...&storyid=11677

Be careful out there.

Mark Weaver October 12th 04 06:21 PM


"John" wrote in message

The driver was determined to be travelling too fast for conditions
(directly into a setting sun). He was apparently exceeding the speed
limit by at least 20%.

Be careful out there.


One of the things I do is try to avoid riding in any kind of traffic while
heading toward a setting or rising sun. Too paranoid?

Mark



marty_vee October 12th 04 06:46 PM


I dont think you can be too paranoid while riding where there is auto
traffic.
Sun, reflections, water, whatever... All it takes is one person in
their own little world (or on a cell phone) to take you out before you
can say "OH Sh*t !!"


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Leo Lichtman October 12th 04 06:56 PM


"Mark Weaver" wrote: One of the things I do is try to avoid riding in any
kind of traffic whileheading toward a setting or rising sun. Too paranoid?
^^^^^^^^^^^^
You're alive, aren't you? That's better than the alternative.



Bill Baka October 12th 04 11:50 PM

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:56:30 GMT, Leo Lichtman
wrote:


"Mark Weaver" wrote: One of the things I do is try to avoid riding in
any
kind of traffic whileheading toward a setting or rising sun. Too
paranoid?
^^^^^^^^^^^^
You're alive, aren't you? That's better than the alternative.


Here I go again. If the sun is directly in front of you then ride
on the wrong side of the road. I do and I just made it past 56.
I had to dive into a ditch this last week because the driver of
a big rig either didn't see me or didn't think I would make a
big enough dent in his truck to get convicted. I know this is
going to **** off the die hard "Follow the law" people, but I
am still alive even if, in their opinion, a lawbreaker.
Just use common sense.
Bill Baka


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Rich Clark October 13th 04 01:09 AM


"Mark Weaver" wrote in message
...

One of the things I do is try to avoid riding in any kind of traffic while
heading toward a setting or rising sun. Too paranoid?


It does add another layer of challenge, for sure; taking the lane becomes
particularly risky.

But my whole riding style is based on the belief that nobody can see me; it
makes little material difference if they're blinded by the sun or distracted
by their cell phone. You've always got to know where you're going to bail
out if you have to, and you never let a car get within striking distance
unless you know where you'll go if he makes a sudden move.

RichC






Hunrobe October 13th 04 06:05 AM

Bill Baka

wrote:

Here I go again. If the sun is directly in front of you then ride
on the wrong side of the road. I do and I just made it past 56.
I had to dive into a ditch this last week because the driver of
a big rig either didn't see me or didn't think I would make a
big enough dent in his truck to get convicted. I know this is
going to **** off the die hard "Follow the law" people, but I
am still alive even if, in their opinion, a lawbreaker.
Just use common sense.
Bill Baka


I ride with traffic. You sometimes ride counter to traffic. I've been riding
for at least as long as you and I've had to "dive" off the road exactly once in
all that time while this is your second "I had to dive into the ditch" post
*this year*.
Take your own advice. Use common sense.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers October 13th 04 08:17 AM

I ride with traffic. You sometimes ride counter to traffic. I've been riding
for at least as long as you and I've had to "dive" off the road exactly once
in
all that time while this is your second "I had to dive into the ditch" post
*this year*.
Take your own advice. Use common sense.

Regards,
Bob Hunt


When the sun is low in the sky, and bright, such as this time of the year in my
bit of the UK, and I have to cycle 'into' the sun, I have my rear lights *on* -
and one in a flashing mode. Just helps make me that bit more visible.

Cheers, helen s


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dgk October 13th 04 04:40 PM

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:09:59 -0400, "Rich Clark"
wrote:


"Mark Weaver" wrote in message
...

One of the things I do is try to avoid riding in any kind of traffic while
heading toward a setting or rising sun. Too paranoid?


It does add another layer of challenge, for sure; taking the lane becomes
particularly risky.

But my whole riding style is based on the belief that nobody can see me; it
makes little material difference if they're blinded by the sun or distracted
by their cell phone. You've always got to know where you're going to bail
out if you have to, and you never let a car get within striking distance
unless you know where you'll go if he makes a sudden move.

RichC




The first part of my commute home is through midtown Manhattan. A very
interesting place to ride.

RichC October 13th 04 05:49 PM

omcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote in message ...

When the sun is low in the sky, and bright, such as this time of the year in my
bit of the UK, and I have to cycle 'into' the sun, I have my rear lights *on* -
and one in a flashing mode. Just helps make me that bit more visible.


Have you actually tested that theory?

I ask because I had it happen recently, while driving, that sun glare
made it pretty much impossible for me to see where I was going. I
slowed down pulled over until conditions changed, which took about 10
minutes.

I was the only car that stopped. Was I the only driver that was
blinded? Maybe. But I doubt it.

Drivers blinded by sun glare assume, I think, that they can still see
something as big as a car in time to avoid hitting it. And they drive
on, blindly. That appears to be what happened in the fatal collision
that inspired this thread. Blinking lights on the bike would not have
saved the victims.

Knowing they were being overtaken by a blinded driver and being
prepared to bail out might have saved them. (Total speculation; I have
no actual knowledge of the circumstances.)

Me, I assume that all drivers are blind at all times, and ride
accordingly.

RichC


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