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“As far as I can tell, the mountain bikers are totally silent on the
subject of these horrific accidents, and what they imply about the danger of mountain biking. Am I wrong? http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/injur...pital/5/178452 Injured mountain biker airlifted to hospital Saturday, 4 January, 2014 - 10:51 This morning (Jan 4th) at approximately 9.30am the Nelson Marlborough Rescue Helicopter was dispatched to the scene of a mountain bike accident in forestry near Thorpe in the Motueka Valley. A 66 year old male from the area crashed while riding, landing heavily, sustaining injuries to his ribs. The rider was assessed by the helicopters onboard intensive care paramedic before being flown to Nelson Hospital for further treatment.” It was no doubt well worth a few broken ribs to trespass on a trail which was meant for hikers, not bikers. Once this fool has healed, he will no doubt be back to try his luck again. Maybe next time he will succeed in killing himself. That would be good riddance to bad rubbish! Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/injur...pital/5/178452
........... snipped ...... It was no doubt well worth a few broken ribs to trespass on a trail which was meant for hikers, not bikers. Once this fool has healed, he will no doubt be back to try his luck again. Maybe next time he will succeed in killing himself. That would be good riddance to bad rubbish! Trespass; enter someone's land or property without permission This individual was not trespassing. |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/injur...pital/5/178452 ........... snipped ...... It was no doubt well worth a few broken ribs to trespass on a trail which was meant for hikers, not bikers. Once this fool has healed, he will no doubt be back to try his luck again. Maybe next time he will succeed in killing himself. That would be good riddance to bad rubbish! Trespass; enter someone's land or property without permission This individual was not trespassing. It was a trespass against morality and common sense – and he got his just deserts. Read on: ”http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2014/0106...ver-christmas/ Actor Matt Damon broke his collarbone over the festive period during a mountain-biking outing. The 43-year-old Bourne Identity star was spotted at LAX Airport in Los Angeles on Saturday (04Jan14) sporting a sling on his left arm. Speaking to reporters after landing, Damon explained his injury, saying, "I broke my collarbone... I was trying to mountain-bike." Who the hell is this Matt Damon? Anybody you know? Too bad he did not break his spine! Then he could lie in bed immobile for the rest of his life contemplating the joys and pleasures of cycling on trails. Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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More idiocy: “http://encino.patch.com/groups/polic...ve-near-encino VIDEO: Biker Rescued by Helicopter After Falling Off Mulholland Drive near Encino Rescuers are called to the area near the 17500 block of Mulholland Drive about 8:45 a.m. Posted by Craig Clough (Editor) , January 08, 2014 at 12:25 PM By City News Service Firefighters rescued a man who was seriously injured Wednesday in a fall on a mountain bike in the Encino area. Rescuers went to the area near the 17500 block of Mulholland Drive about 8:45 a.m., said Erik Scott of the Los Angeles Fire Department. The unidentified man was hoisted from the rugged terrain via helicopter, and was taken to a hospital, Scott said.” After the hospital, take him to a mental institution to see a psychiatrist to find out why he is riding a bike on a hiking trail. Then give him a good horsewhipping for being such a fool. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"EdwardDolan" wrote in message ...
Here is some information for those who think mountain biking is growing in popularity. It is just a matter of time until it ceases to exist altogether. Nothing but a stupid fad cultivated by idiots! ”Emails on mountain biking lists have fallen to a trickle. Hardly anyone now bikes (illegally) on my hiking trail. Older mountain bikers are doing themselves irreparable harm, if not killing themselves. But we still need to protect young people from getting hooked on this self-destructive activity. Some recent stats from 2013 Outdoor activities survey done in the USA puts mountain biking at around 3% average (no change from 2009, and may be falling), same as skiing and snowboarding....Check out hiking and wildlife viewing stats! Why should DNV and others allow such a destructive minority to dictate the use of our public forests, indeed. And why won't it be contained to a recreational resort like skiing and snowboarding?” Participation in Outdoor Activities, All Americans Ages 6+ 2012 in 000’s -- % of Population Bicycling (Mountain/Non-Paved Surface) - 7,714 pop. -- 2.7% Hiking --- 34,545 pop. -- 12.0% Skiing (Alpine/Downhill) --- 8,243 pop. -- 2.9% Snowboarding ---- 7,351 pop. -- 2.6% Wildlife Viewing (More Than 1/4 Mile of Home/Vehicle) - 22,999 pop. -- 8.0% http://www.outdoorfoundation.org/pdf...pation2013.pdf (page 58 of the online report) Mountain bikes have wheels and wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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Oh I do so love it when you shoot yourself so spectacularly in the foot because, clearly, you can't be bothered to read the whole report;
Most Popular Outdoor Activities by Participation Rate 1. Running, Jogging and trail Running 19% of Americans Ages 6+, 53.2 million participants 2. Freshwater, Sal****er and Fly Fishing 16% of Americans Ages 6+, 46.0 million participants 3. Road Biking, Mountain Biking and BMX 15% of Americans Ages 6+, 42.3 million participants 4. Car, Backyard and RV camping 13% of Americans Ages 6+ 38.0 million participants 5. Hiking 12% of Americans Ages 6+, 34.5 million participants I seem to recall that you're not too keen on people running on trails either ? :-). Only your reverential attitude to nature should be permitted on trails is, I believe, your position ? And, if I could draw your attention to the first time participants table, on Page 14 of the report, hiking comes near the bottom there. People are taking up other outdoor activities. Your comments about email are meaningless because there is currently a shift to commenting and chat apps ... just as Usenet was itself superceded by forums. |
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Trespass; enter someone's land or property without
permission This individual was not trespassing. It was a trespass against morality and common sense and he got his just deserts. Ah, we're back in Dolan world where things mean whatever you want them to mean are we and anyone who disagrees with you deserves physical injury ? I know I'm going to regret asking this but just how do you manage to claim that mountainbiking is immoral ? Funnily enough, all the world's religions seem to have missed it out of their commandments. Actor Matt Damon broke his collarbone over the festive period during a mountain-biking outing. The 43-year-old Bourne Identity star was spotted at LAX Airport in Los Angeles on Saturday (04Jan14) sporting a sling on his left arm. Speaking to reporters after landing, Damon explained his injury, saying, "I broke my collarbone... I was trying to mountain-bike." Who the hell is this Matt Damon? Anybody you know? Too bad he did not break his spine! Then he could lie in bed immobile for the rest of his life contemplating the joys and pleasures of cycling on trails. What a sad and twisted man you are becoming ... you want to see a healthy individual reduced to being a quadraplegic just because he enjoys something you don't agree with ? |
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As far as I can tell, the mountain bikers are totally silent on the subject of these horrific accidents, and what they imply about the danger of mountain biking. Am I wrong? Yes, Ed, you're totally wrong. Mountainbikers are completely aware of the risks and post videos and pictures of mishaps. We choose to go out and live our lives and accept those risks. Here's a compilation of the many that have been posted on Pinkbike ... http://www.pinkbike.com/video/309875/ Glad I could enlighten you. |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Trespass; enter someone's land or property without permission This individual was not trespassing. It was a trespass against morality and common sense and he got his just deserts. Ah, we're back in Dolan world where things mean whatever you want them to mean are we and anyone who disagrees with you deserves physical injury ? I know I'm going to regret asking this but just how do you manage to claim that mountainbiking is immoral ? Funnily enough, all the world's religions seem to have missed it out of their commandments. Morality is not confined to religions. Saint Edward the Great is an Atheist and He has the worlds highest morality. Actor Matt Damon broke his collarbone over the festive period during a mountain-biking outing. The 43-year-old Bourne Identity star was spotted at LAX Airport in Los Angeles on Saturday (04Jan14) sporting a sling on his left arm. Speaking to reporters after landing, Damon explained his injury, saying, "I broke my collarbone... I was trying to mountain-bike." Who the hell is this Matt Damon? Anybody you know? Too bad he did not break his spine! Then he could lie in bed immobile for the rest of his life contemplating the joys and pleasures of cycling on trails. What a sad and twisted man you are becoming ... you want to see a healthy individual reduced to being a quadraplegic just because he enjoys something you don't agree with ? Nonsense, I just want to see mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails DEAD! That is the higher morality. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Oh I do so love it when you shoot yourself so spectacularly in the foot because, clearly, you can't be bothered to read the whole report; Most Popular Outdoor Activities by Participation Rate 1. Running, Jogging and trail Running 19% of Americans Ages 6+, 53.2 million participants 2. Freshwater, Sal****er and Fly Fishing 16% of Americans Ages 6+, 46.0 million participants 3. Road Biking, Mountain Biking and BMX 15% of Americans Ages 6+, 42.3 million participants 4. Car, Backyard and RV camping 13% of Americans Ages 6+ 38.0 million participants 5. Hiking 12% of Americans Ages 6+, 34.5 million participants I seem to recall that you're not too keen on people running on trails either ? :-). Only your reverential attitude to nature should be permitted on trails is, I believe, your position ? Most resorts now have trails near by for sports enthusiasts and physical fitness nuts. That accounts for that particular statistic. Running or jogging on a trail far removed from a resort is something that only an idiot would do. Most running occurs on city streets. And, if I could draw your attention to the first time participants table, on Page 14 of the report, hiking comes near the bottom there. People are taking up other outdoor activities. Regarding the biking category, BMX and road biking should not be part of that. Mountain biking is a very small part of it. You do not know how to read a statistic because you do not know how to make a commonsense analysis. Also the age category 6+ is way too young. What kids do or don’t do doesn’t count as far as I am concerned. The proper age should have been about 14+. Your comments about email are meaningless because there is currently a shift to commenting and chat apps ... just as Usenet was itself superceded by forums. These emails will have links to reports mostly from newspapers or magazines. I don’t need to read them because I already know what they will say. But you badly need the education, so I do advise you to read the links. I think a forum and a newsgroup are one and the same thing, except most forums will have moderators in order to keep Great Ones like Myself from speaking the truth. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Edward Dolan quoted: As far as I can tell, the mountain bikers are totally silent on the subject of these horrific accidents, and what they imply about the danger of mountain biking. Am I wrong? Yes, Ed, you're totally wrong. Mountainbikers are completely aware of the risks and post videos and pictures of mishaps. We choose to go out and live our lives and accept those risks. Young women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. In fact, most testosterone powered guys also do not have a clue. They only become enlightened when they suffer a mishap, something that is extremely likely to happen sooner or later. Here's a compilation of the many that have been posted on Pinkbike .... http://www.pinkbike.com/video/309875/ I never bother with mountain biker propaganda. It is always about just one thing ... how much fun it is to get a thrill by risking life and limb. **** the whole lot of them. They are all idiots! Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"EdwardDolan" wrote in message ...
"Blackblade" wrote in message ... [...] Here's a compilation of the many that have been posted on Pinkbike .... http://www.pinkbike.com/video/309875/ Edward Dolan wrote: I never bother with mountain biker propaganda. It is always about just one thing ... how much fun it is to get a thrill by risking life and limb. **** the whole lot of them. They are all idiots! But hey, why not send them a few of my posts since of course that forum would never accept a message from such a Great Soul as Myself. You will find out they will not accept a post from you either if you depart from the orthodoxy. Talk about echoes in a chamber, that group is it for sure! If you identify with any of those poor misguided slobs, you are lost and gone to Hell! Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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Ah, we're back in Dolan world where things mean whatever you want
them to mean are we and anyone who disagrees with you deserves physical injury ? I know I'm going to regret asking this but just how do you manage to claim that mountainbiking is immoral ?* Funnily enough, all the world's religions seem to have missed it out of their commandments. Morality is not confined to religions. Saint Edward the Great is an Atheist and He has the worlds highest morality. I would suggest you lookup "Delusions of Grandeur". If you are now trying to create your own, unique, morality then you're trying to found a religion.. However, since the adherents number zero I think that just makes you slightly unbalanced. What a sad and twisted man you are becoming ... you want to see a healthy individual reduced to being a quadraplegic just because he enjoys something you don't agree with ? Nonsense, I just want to see mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails DEAD! That is the higher morality. Well, thanks for confirming my assertion; you are a sad and twisted man. |
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Oh I do so love it when you shoot yourself so spectacularly in the
foot because, clearly, you can't be bothered to read the whole report; ... snipped as table already included earlier I seem to recall that you're not too keen on people running on trails either ? :-).* Only your reverential attitude to nature should be permitted on trails is, I believe, your position ? Most resorts now have trails near by for sports enthusiasts and physical fitness nuts. That accounts for that particular statistic. Running or jogging on a trail far removed from a resort is something that only an idiot would do. Most running occurs on city streets. Regarding the biking category, BMX and road biking should not be part of that. Mountain biking is a very small part of it. You do not know how to read a statistic because you do not know how to make a commonsense analysis. Also the age category 6+ is way too young. What kids do or dont do doesnt count as far as I am concerned. The proper age should have been about 14+. Lol ... priceless. You are, only now, critiquing a report that YOU cited .... because it doesn't actually support your position. |
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Yes, Ed, you're totally wrong.* Mountainbikers are completely
aware of the risks and post videos and pictures of mishaps.* We choose to go out and live our lives and accept those risks. Young women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. In fact, most testosterone powered guys also do not have a clue. They only become enlightened when they suffer a mishap, something that is extremely likely to happen sooner or later. Ah, more of that famous Dolan logic; make an assertion then, when it's disproven by actual facts, move the goalposts. You stated that mountainbikers were unaware and never talked about it ... I showed you that we actually post videos about it. So, your point is comprehensively refuted. QED. As for your sexist and stupid assertion that, magically, mountainbikers don't include women well ... can I suggest you join the 21st century. If it's up on the net then it's equally accessible to all. |
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But hey, why not send them a few of my posts since of course
that forum would never accept a message from such a Great Soul as Myself. You will find out they will not accept a post from you either if you depart from the orthodoxy. Talk about echoes in a chamber, that group is it for sure! If you identify with any of those poor misguided slobs, you are lost and gone to Hell! Could that be because you are a monomaniacal, logically challenged individual with massive delusions of grandeur who frequently spouts unsupported nonsense and won't retract even when blatantly caught out ? * Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. * Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk? * Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Yes, Ed, you're totally wrong. Mountainbikers are completely aware of the risks and post videos and pictures of mishaps. We choose to go out and live our lives and accept those risks. Edward Dolan wrote: Young women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. In fact, most testosterone powered guys also do not have a clue. They only become enlightened when they suffer a mishap, something that is extremely likely to happen sooner or later. Ah, more of that famous Dolan logic; make an assertion then, when it's disproven by actual facts, move the goalposts. You stated that mountainbikers were unaware and never talked about it ... I showed you that we actually post videos about it. So, your point is comprehensively refuted. QED. We all know what kind of mountain bikers take risks with life and limb. They are invariably young and male ... and then like to gloat about how seriously they were injured. The only cure for what ails them is death – and the sooner the better. Most mountain bikers are not aware of how dangerous their ‘sport’ is nor is the community at large, other than doctors and the ER personnel. As for your sexist and stupid assertion that, magically, mountainbikers don't include women well ... can I suggest you join the 21st century. If it's up on the net then it's equally accessible to all. You poor stupid sap! It is actually criminal to encourage women and kids to mountain bike on a hiking trail. Women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. It is why they injure themselves just trying to ride such a trail normally without attempting feats of daredevilry like the young males. What planet are you from anyway? Feast your mind on this bit of humor from the mountain biking ‘community’ which well illustrates the general level of dumbness of mountain bikers. ”http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29912019.html Dublin medics treat rare condition that led to 7 week erection 13 January 2014 Medics at a Dublin hospital have successfully treated a 22-year-old mountain biker for an unwanted seven-week erection. The rare condition, known in medical terms as Priapism, began when the young man injured himself on the crossbar of his mountain bike. The injury resulted in a high flow of blood to his penis which would not reside. The man did not go to Tallaght hospital until five weeks after sustaining the rare injury and initial treatment by medics failed. A pressure dressing was attempted for two weeks but the erection returned immediately after the treatment. Further treatment where radiography was used on the penis was successful. The case, which is outlined in the current issue of the Irish Medical Journal, reported that the man did not suffer any further priapism following the treatment and also reported 'satisfactory erection and intercourse'. The report adds that, as the erection is painless, patients usually present themselves late.” Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...] I know I'm going to regret asking this but just how do you manage to claim that mountainbiking is immoral ? Funnily enough, all the world's religions seem to have missed it out of their commandments. Edward Dolan wrote: Morality is not confined to religions. Saint Edward the Great is an Atheist and He has the worlds highest morality. I would suggest you lookup "Delusions of Grandeur". If you are now trying to create your own, unique, morality then you're trying to found a religion. However, since the adherents number zero I think that just makes you slightly unbalanced. You obviously have no acquaintance with Great Saints, let alone anyone Great. It is a common condition of dwarfs and midgets like you. What a sad and twisted man you are becoming ... you want to see a healthy individual reduced to being a quadraplegic just because he enjoys something you don't agree with ? Nonsense, I just want to see mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails DEAD! That is the higher morality. Well, thanks for confirming my assertion; you are a sad and twisted man. The only sad and twisted men I know about are mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails. Fortunately, most of them get their deserved rewards in the way of injuries and death. Almost makes me think there is some justice in the world after all. More from the trenches: http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald...h-country-fall Biker injured in high country fall An injured mountainbiker has been rescued by helicopter after sustaining face and neck injuries near Lake Ohau. The 63-year-old Ashburton woman was cycling on one of the Ahuriri mountain bike tracks when she fell about 6.30pm yesterday. A Westpac Rescue Helicopter spokesperson said the woman's facial injuries were ''quite serious'' and would take a significant amount of time to recover from. She was taken to Christchurch Hospital. This poor woman most likely had no idea that what she was doing was dangerous. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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The report I cited only mentioned mountain biking, not BMX and
road biking. You need to slow down and think before you post. Mountain biking was much less than hiking. Always has been and always will be.* No, Ed, I quoted directly FROM the report that you cited ... Page 17 to be precise. As I said, you need to actually read the whole thing ... |
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But hey, why not send them a few of my posts since of course that forum would never accept a message from such a Great Soul as Myself. You will find out they will not accept a post from you either if you depart from the orthodoxy. Talk about echoes in a chamber, that group is it for sure! If you identify with any of those poor misguided slobs, you are lost and gone to Hell! Could that be because you are a monomaniacal, logically challenged individual with massive delusions of grandeur who frequently spouts unsupported nonsense and won't retract even when blatantly caught out ? The kind of groups you support would never in a million years run any post of mine. They are advocacy groups for mountain biking. If you weren't such a biased idiot, you would clearly see that ... and acknowledge it. The only one who is caught out is yourself. Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-) |
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We all know what kind of mountain bikers take risks with life and limb. They are invariably young and male ... and then like to gloat about how seriously they were injured. The only cure for what ails them is death and the sooner the better. Most mountain bikers are not aware of how dangerous their sport is nor is the community at large, other than doctors and the ER personnel. Ed, you're a dinosaur. This is the 21st century and men and women of all ages ride; and occasionally fall off and hurt themselves. You poor stupid sap! It is actually criminal to encourage women and kids to mountain bike on a hiking trail.* Women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. It is why they injure themselves just trying to ride such a trail normally without attempting feats of daredevilry like the young males. What planet are you from anyway? Are you seriously suggesting that an intelligent, adult woman is unable to make up her own mind as to the risks ? |
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You obviously have no acquaintance with Great Saints, let
alone anyone Great. It is a common condition of dwarfs and midgets like you. Ah, hubris. I've never met a great saint; no, you don't qualify. The only sad and twisted men I know about are mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails. Fortunately, most of them get their deserved rewards in the way of injuries and death. Almost makes me think there is some justice in the world after all. Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled. So, much safer than driving. |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Edward Dolan wrote: You obviously have no acquaintance with Great Saints, let alone anyone Great. It is a common condition of dwarfs and midgets like you. Ah, hubris. I've never met a great saint; no, you don't qualify. Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no ordinary saint. The only sad and twisted men I know about are mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails. Fortunately, most of them get their deserved rewards in the way of injuries and death. Almost makes me think there is some justice in the world after all. Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled. So, much safer than driving. You are quite right about driving being about the most dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of injuries. Is that your idea of recreation – to be risking life and limb? More from the trenches: ”http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/te...isle-1.1112471 Teen mountain biker airlifted after crashing into tree Published at 17:25, Saturday, 25 January 2014 A youth who crashed into a tree while mountain biking was flown to hospital by air ambulance. The 17-year-old, from the Carlisle area, was said to be stable on arrival at the city's Cumberland Infirmary. He had been riding alongside the river Eden, close to Wetheral, when the collision happened in woodland early this afternoon. He suffered non life-threatening leg, head and arm injuries. Emergency services, including the air ambulance, North West ambulance, Cumbria fire and rescue and Penrith Mountain Rescue Team, were called to help the teenager. He was treated at the scene by an air ambulance doctor and paramedics before being airlifted by the Pride of Cumbria helicopter to hospital.” Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Edward Dolan wrote: The report I cited only mentioned mountain biking, not BMX and road biking. You need to slow down and think before you post. Mountain biking was much less than hiking. Always has been and always will be. No, Ed, I quoted directly FROM the report that you cited ... Page 17 to be precise. As I said, you need to actually read the whole thing ... What difference does it make (to quote our illustrious Hillary)? BMX and road biking have nothing to do with our issue. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...] Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-) I read the pertinent parts. Only idiots read entire reports that are beside the issue. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Edward Dolan wrote: We all know what kind of mountain bikers take risks with life and limb. They are invariably young and male ... and then like to gloat about how seriously they were injured. The only cure for what ails them is death and the sooner the better. Most mountain bikers are not aware of how dangerous their sport is nor is the community at large, other than doctors and the ER personnel. Ed, you're a dinosaur. This is the 21st century and men and women of all ages ride; and occasionally fall off and hurt themselves. Reports from the field refute entirely your assessment of how dangerous cycling is on hiking trails. You poor stupid sap! It is actually criminal to encourage women and kids to mountain bike on a hiking trail. Women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. It is why they injure themselves just trying to ride such a trail normally without attempting feats of daredevilry like the young males. What planet are you from anyway? Are you seriously suggesting that an intelligent, adult woman is unable to make up her own mind as to the risks ? Yes, when the propaganda is as one sided as it is. They simply know any better. Males will risk life and limb for an adrenalin rush. They are extremely stupid for doing that. Women and kids are not constituted that stupidly. They think biking on a hiking trail is a safe thing to do and it is anything but! More from the trenches: http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/mount...crash/5/179390 Mountain biker airlifted following crash Fuseworks Media Monday, 20 January, 2014 - 16:54 This afternoon (20th Jan) at approx 2.45pm the Nelson Marlborough Rescue Helicopter was dispatched to the scene of a mountain bike crash near Dunn Mountain, on the Coppermine Saddle, East of Nelson. A 48 year old Auckland man out riding with his son, sustained a shoulder injury as a result of the crash. He was assessed by the helicopters onboard intensive care paramedic before he and his son were flown to Nelson Hospital. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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On Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:54:25 UTC, Edward Dolan wrote:
"Blackblade"* wrote in message ... * Edward Dolan wrote: * The report I cited only mentioned mountain biking, not BMX and road biking. You need to slow down and think before you post. Mountain biking was much less than hiking. Always has been and always will be.* * No, Ed, I quoted directly FROM the report that you cited ... Page 17 to be precise.* As I said, you need to actually read the whole thing ... * What difference does it make (to quote our illustrious Hillary)? BMX and road biking have nothing to do with our issue. The difference Ed is that you were trying to be misleading ... by selectively quoting very small parts of quite a long report. So, no, the report YOU MENTIONED does not just include Mountain Biking. It includes a whole bunch of information. |
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Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not
bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-) I read the pertinent parts. Only idiots read entire reports that are beside the issue. And how, do tell me, are you going to figure out what is pertinent unless you bother to read it ? I would have thought that was obvious. It's very clear that all you did was skim read to the parts that you thought supported your argument and ignored the rest ... blissfully unaware that the report, overall, doesn't support your positions at all. Is both funny and rather pathetic at the same time. |
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I've never met a great saint; no, you don't
qualify. Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no ordinary saint. You possess none of the attributes of a saint ... Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled. So, much safer than driving. You are quite right about driving being about the most dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of injuries. Is that your idea of recreation - to be risking life and limb? Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid. As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so. |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
I've never met a great saint; no, you don't qualify. Edward Dolan wrote: Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no ordinary saint. You possess none of the attributes of a saint ... I think you no doubt met to say I possess ALL of the attributes of a Great Saint. No need to be embarrassed, We all make mistakes. Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled. So, much safer than driving. You are quite right about driving being about the most dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of injuries. Is that your idea of recreation - to be risking life and limb? Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid. As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so. If you are knowledgeable about the risks that is one thing, but most folks are NOT knowledgeable. It is a crime to be promoting mountain biking on hiking trails without full knowledge of how dangerous it is. By the way, if you were to suffer a really serious injury, one that left you paralyzed for example, I doubt that you would think it was worth it. Price to be paid – indeed! Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message ...
Blackblade considered Fri, 31 Jan 2014 03:20:33 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write: I've never met a great saint; no, you don't qualify. Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no ordinary saint. You possess none of the attributes of a saint ... I wouldn't go that far - he IS dead, at least from the neck up. Better to be dead from the neck up than totally dead – which is what happens to many mountain bikers who take foolish risks by riding their bikes on hiking trails. Some such mountain bikers deserve to die on the trails because they are willfully ignorant of the danger, but others don’t. In fact, most mountain bikers simply don’t know any better about how dangerous it is to ride their bikes on hiking trails. Frankly, I feel sorry for them – especially for women and kids who don’t have a clue. Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled. So, much safer than driving. You are quite right about driving being about the most dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of injuries. Is that your idea of recreation - to be risking life and limb? Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid. As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so. Particularly since the level of risk is determined entirely by you. No one, not even very expert mountain bikers, entirely know what they are doing when they ride their bikes on hiking trails. Why is that? It is because hiking trails are designed for walking, whether humans walking or horses walking. They are not designed for wheels. It is why cyclists need their own trails specially designed for wheels ... and need to stay the hell off of trails for hikers and equestrians. More bad news from the trenches: ”http://www.bicycleretailer.com/retai...s#.UsInhp3TnIU Mid-Atlantic trails advocate and racer Scott Scudamore dies Published December 30, 2013 by BRAIN Staff CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA (BRAIN) * Scott Scudamore, a mountain bike athlete, advocate, event organizer and retail store employee, died Dec. 28 from complications from a mountain bike accident he suffered in September. Scudamore was retired from a 20-year Air Force career and 21 years with Hewlett Packard. Besides being active in the Mid Atlantic Off-Road Enthusiasts (MORE), he worked part-time at Blue Ridge Cyclery in Charlottesville and was a member of IMBA's Regional Leadership Advisory Council. He competed in triathlons and XTERRA events. On Sept. 22, Scudamore crashed while mountain biking with his wife, son-in-law, granddaughter and other friends at Bryce Mountain ski resort in Basye, Virginia. The crash left him paralyzed below his neck. Although he made progress in rehab in the fall, in recent weeks he struggled with infection, delirium, and ultimately pneumonia, according to a note left by his family on Scudfries.org, a website set up to support him following the crash. The family said there be two viewings at Thacker Brothers Lake Monticello Funeral Home in Palmyra, Virginia. The first will be Friday from 6-8 p.m. The second will be Saturday, from 9 a.m – noon. A funeral service will follow the viewing on Saturday at 3 p.m. at Grace And Glory Lutheran Church (683 Thomas Jefferson Parkway, Palmyra, Virginia.) In lieu of flowers the Scudamores asked friends to donate to one of Scudamore's favorite charities, Trails for Youth or the Lake Monticello Volunteer Rescue Squad.” Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...] Edward Dolan wrote: What difference does it make (to quote our illustrious Hillary)? BMX and road biking have nothing to do with our issue. The difference Ed is that you were trying to be misleading ... by selectively quoting very small parts of quite a long report. So, no, the report YOU MENTIONED does not just include Mountain Biking. It includes a whole bunch of information. I only focused on the part comparing mountain biking with hiking. None of the rest of the crap there interested me. The only one here who is attempting to mislead is you. Try to keep your focus on the issue that is under discussion ... which is that mountain biking can’t compare to hiking in terms of popularity. Mountain biking ranked low on the list. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-) Edward Dolan wrote: I read the pertinent parts. Only idiots read entire reports that are beside the issue. And how, do tell me, are you going to figure out what is pertinent unless you bother to read it ? I would have thought that was obvious. It's very clear that all you did was skim read to the parts that you thought supported your argument and ignored the rest ... blissfully unaware that the report, overall, doesn't support your positions at all. Is both funny and rather pathetic at the same time. Mountain biking ranked low on the list compared to hiking in terms of popularity. That is all I was interested in. You remind me of a bulldog that gets hold of some little thing, however irrelevant, and then wants to hang onto it forever. Notice how I move on, never stumbling over stuff that doesn’t matter. Where are we right now on this thread? I am proving that mountain biking is not as popular as you think it is and it is also far more dangerous then you think it is. That is the subject of this thread – the so-called “joys & pleasures”, or is satire wasted on you? Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message ...
Blackblade considered Fri, 31 Jan 2014 03:16:32 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write: Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-) I read the pertinent parts. Only idiots read entire reports that are beside the issue. And how, do tell me, are you going to figure out what is pertinent unless you bother to read it ? I would have thought that was obvious. He probably used a search engine to find any report or subsection of a report that makes mention of "conflict", then cut & pasted it - no mental activity required or utilised. I am way too lazy to even do that little. Nope, I am just uploading parts of newsletters I get via email from the hiking community. I am at the stage of life now where I never look up anything. **** it ... if I don’t already know it, then it is not worth knowing! It's very clear that all you did was skim read to the parts that you thought supported your argument and ignored the rest ... blissfully unaware that the report, overall, doesn't support your positions at all. Is both funny and rather pathetic at the same time. It's so pathetic that it only acts to weaken the position he claims to support. No one here knows what the two of you are blathering about, least of all me. And at least while he's playing keyboard warrior on here, he's not out emulating his hero and indulging in criminal acts, even if he supports them. For someone who is so concerned about libel you show a lot of disregard for your own skin. I would be careful about labeling others criminal when in fact what you are doing might be construed by some as criminal. But here is your true criminality being committed everywhere daily by your favorite group of miscreants – mountain bikers: ”http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/san...legal-mountain Panel at UC Santa Cruz to address illegal mountain biking By Kara Guzman Santa Cruz Sentinel Posted: 01/27/2014 07:16:12 PM PST Mountain biker Sean Andrasik poses by a water tank on UCSC's upper campus, where biking... ( SCS ) SANTA CRUZ -- UC Santa Cruz's upper campus is home to world-famous mountain biking trails. The problem is they aren't legal. Biking is allowed on campus fire roads, but single-track trails are off-limits. Despite the ban, the trails attract an estimated 1,000 riders per week, said Drew Perkins, trail officer for Mountain Bikers of Santa Cruz, an advocacy group. Perkins will be part of a panel of bikers and UCSC students, faculty and staff to discuss trail use and environmental impacts at 6 p.m. Wednesday at the Stevenson Event Center at UCSC's Stevenson College. UCSC has done little to enforce the rule. However, the trails connect to Henry Cowell State Park and Pogonip, where single-track biking is largely illegal, and riders have been ticketed along Highway 9, Perkins said. The illegal status prevents trail maintenance, which increases bikers' environmental impact. For example, when a tree falls across a trail, instead of clearing the path, bikers create another route, he said. "The trails just kind of happen, where whoever initially cut them decided they wanted to go," Perkins said. Upper campus includes the 409-acre Campus Natural Reserve used for teaching and research. Mountain biking in the reserve is not compatible with the campus' values of conservation and stewardship, said Alex Jones, campus natural reserve steward. "Many of these trails are on steep slopes and sandy loam soils, which has contributed to significant erosion and soil loss," Jones said. Tim Duane, a UCSC environmental engineering professor, helped study the effects of mountain biking on the endangered Ohlone tiger beetle, which is found only in the upper campus and nearby Wilder Ranch. Fast bikers harm the beetle population, he said, but slowing in certain areas greatly decreases impact. When bikers knew of their potential impact, they were willing to change, he said, nothing the key is to provide an alternative. "Basically if there's a complete ban on biking, bikers tend not to understand why and they tend to ignore all restrictions," Duane said. The status quo is not ideal, said Eric Johnson, founder of Hilltromper, a website about the Santa Cruz outdoors. "I think in the long run, things aren't going to last like this," Johnson said. "At some point, we could lose this incredible resource if we don't treat it with respect." Johnson, who will moderate Wednesday's panel, said parties are nowhere near finding a solution, but he hopes to start a discussion.” Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to
be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid. As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so. If you are knowledgeable about the risks that is one thing, but most folks are NOT knowledgeable. It is a crime to be promoting mountain biking on hiking trails without full knowledge of how dangerous it is. By the way, if you were to suffer a really serious injury, one that left you paralyzed for example, I doubt that you would think it was worth it. Price to be paid - indeed! Well, clearly, you DON'T understand risk either or you would not have written this. It is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that such a fate will befall me ... but not impossible. If you live your life based on worrying about extremely unlikely events then you will end up doing a Howard Hughes and never leaving your house.. However, since the odds of killing or disabling yourself whilst walking down the stairs or taking a shower are also unlikely, but not zero, even there you are not safe. Mountain biking, measured against other risks, is not at the top of the risk tree ... but it's not at the bottom either. Pay your money and take your choice. As I also enjoy extreme skiing and motorcycle racing I take it you can guess where I draw the line. |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid. As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so. Edward Dolan wrote: If you are knowledgeable about the risks that is one thing, but most folks are NOT knowledgeable. It is a crime to be promoting mountain biking on hiking trails without full knowledge of how dangerous it is. By the way, if you were to suffer a really serious injury, one that left you paralyzed for example, I doubt that you would think it was worth it. Price to be paid - indeed! Well, clearly, you DON'T understand risk either or you would not have written this. It is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that such a fate will befall me ... but not impossible. If you live your life based on worrying about extremely unlikely events then you will end up doing a Howard Hughes and never leaving your house. It is not as unlikely as you think it is. Helmets will not protect you from a paralyzing injury. Bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails will hit something and go over the handlebars. It is not rare for this to happen. How you land will determine how serious your injuries will be. Why risk any of this? However, since the odds of killing or disabling yourself whilst walking down the stairs or taking a shower are also unlikely, but not zero, even there you are not safe. Hikers walking a trail are not in much danger of killing or injuring themselves whereas bikers who do what they do on trails are. Very odd that you would argue anything to the contrary. Mountain biking, measured against other risks, is not at the top of the risk tree ... but it's not at the bottom either. Pay your money and take your choice. As I also enjoy extreme skiing and motorcycle racing I take it you can guess where I draw the line. You are risking life and limb doing dangerous things. When the inevitable happens you will have nothing but second thoughts about the risk taking. It is entirely possible to enjoy what the outdoors has to offer without doing anything foolish. I enjoy trekking, but I would never for a moment consider any kind of climbing. Why? It is dangerous and doesn't add to my enjoyment of trekking. Adrenalin rushes are strictly for idiots. Now that I have got you down for an idiot, at least have the good sense and common decency not to recommend that others go and do what you do. I never do anything that I would not recommend to others. Just part of being a Great Saint! Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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Lest any of the remaining numbskulls and other assorted idiots still left on this desultory newsgroup (Blackblade and Phil W Lee) forget what the Great Michael Vandeman has taught us from our infancy, let us review what he has told us from the beginning:
“ http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/permit.html Why in the world would you want to advertize Minnesota State Parks with a photo of someone practicing an environmentally destructive sport??? Bicycles should not be allowed in any natural area. They are inanimate objects and have no rights. There is also no right to mountain bike. That was settled in federal court in 1996: http://mjvande.nfshost.com/mtb10.htm . It's dishonest of mountain bikers to say that they don't have access to trails closed to bikes. They have EXACTLY the same access as everyone else -- ON FOOT! Why isn't that good enough for mountain bikers? They are all capable of walking.... A favorite myth of mountain bikers is that mountain biking is no more harmful to wildlife, people, and the environment than hiking, and that science supports that view. Of course, it's not true. To settle the matter once and for all, I read all of the research they cited, and wrote a review of the research on mountain biking impacts (see http://mjvande.nfshost.com/scb7.htm ). I found that of the seven studies they cited, (1) all were written by mountain bikers, and (2) in every case, the authors misinterpreted their own data, in order to come to the conclusion that they favored. They also studiously avoided mentioning another scientific study (Wisdom et al) which did not favor mountain biking, and came to the opposite conclusions. Those were all experimental studies. Two other studies (by White et al and by Jeff Marion) used a survey design, which is inherently incapable of answering that question (comparing hiking with mountain biking). I only mention them because mountain bikers often cite them, but scientifically, they are worthless. Mountain biking accelerates erosion, creates V-shaped ruts, kills small animals and plants on and next to the trail, drives wildlife and other trail users out of the area, and, worst of all, teaches kids that the rough treatment of nature is okay (it's NOT!). What's good about THAT? To see exactly what harm mountain biking does to the land, watch this 5-minute video: http://vimeo.com/48784297. In addition to all of this, it is extremely dangerous: http://mjvande.nfshost.com/mtb_dangerous.htm .” Anyone who wants to dispute any of this needs to go to the links furnished and read for themselves what the facts are. Useless blather about how mountain biking does not conflict with other trail users and does no damage only marks you as the worthless liars and bums that you are. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 23:20:19 -0600, "EdwardDolan"
wrote: Lest any of the remaining numbskulls and other assorted idiots still left on this desultory newsgroup (Blackblade and Phil W Lee) forget what the Great Michael Vandeman has taught us from our infancy, let us review what he has told us from the beginning: http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/permit.html Anyone who wants to dispute any of this needs to go to the links furnished and read for themselves what the facts are. Useless blather about how mountain biking does not conflict with other trail users and does no damage only marks you as the worthless liars and bums that you are. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great Ah Yes. Mr. Blackblade and Mr. Phil W Lee are here posting their logical, well thought out remarks and the Sainted Dolan has nothing to say and so posts the remarks of a convicted criminal in response. It really says something for Dolan's ability to debate the point in question, or more bluntly, his inability to reply logically. In short we have a situation where one side posts logical statements while the other side simply repeats their bigoted comments and in justification posts the remarks of a convicted criminal. One might even say, using the vernacular, we got the rational chaps on one side and a horse's ass on the other. You'll need to change your signature to Dobbin Dolan. -- Cheers, John B. |
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"John B." wrote in message ...
On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 23:20:19 -0600, "EdwardDolan" wrote: Lest any of the remaining numbskulls and other assorted idiots still left on this desultory newsgroup (Blackblade and Phil W Lee) forget what the Great Michael Vandeman has taught us from our infancy, let us review what he has told us from the beginning: “ http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/permit.html Anyone who wants to dispute any of this needs to go to the links furnished and read for themselves what the facts are. Useless blather about how mountain biking does not conflict with other trail users and does no damage only marks you as the worthless liars and bums that you are. Ah Yes. Mr. Blackblade and Mr. Phil W Lee are here posting their logical, well thought out remarks and the Sainted Dolan has nothing to say and so posts the remarks of a convicted criminal in response. Mr. Vandeman is a Saint almost on my level. But more to the point he is the world’s foremost expert on the impact of mountain biking on trails. But he is too much the gentleman to suit me. Nope, I got to call out the biker louts as I see them. There is no point in being a gentleman with thugs and hooligans. It really says something for Dolan's ability to debate the point in question, or more bluntly, his inability to reply logically. Every point brought up by anyone has been resolutely refuted. I have even gone to the extra effect of name calling, the one thing that ALL mountain bikers understand to perfection since that is their chief modus operandi. In short we have a situation where one side posts logical statements while the other side simply repeats their bigoted comments and in justification posts the remarks of a convicted criminal. I have seen nothing posted on this newsgroup (other than my own sacred words of course) that has not been self-serving in the extreme. Logical statements? Surely you jest! Unless and until you get serious I suggest you spend your time more profitably by ****ign yourself. Anyone who calls someone a bigot (the favorite bad word of liberal assholes) deserves a good ****! One might even say, using the vernacular, we got the rational chaps on one side and a horse's ass on the other. Using the vernacular, we have got nothing but assholes on one side and a Great Saint on the other. You'll need to change your signature to Dobbin Dolan. If my signature serves the purpose of ****ign you off, I have got it exactly right! Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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More bad news from the trenches, something that blackblade, Phil W Lee and John B will not enjoy reading. It of course only confirms what I have been saying from day one, namely, that cycling on trails is a conflict with other trail users. Only the self-serving terminally stupid would claim otherwise.
“http://www.denverpost.com/lipsher/ci...#ixzz2sE2qwT62 Lipsher: Conflicts grow over biking in the mountains By Steve Lipsher Posted: 02/02/2014 05:00:00 PM MST Land managers in Colorado have been unable to keep up with the evolving uses and demands like biking of mountain trails, writes Steve Lipsher. (Hyoung Chang, The Denver Post) Mountain bikers philosophically have been more aligned with hikers, cross-country skiers and other "quiet use" types than with snowmobilers, dirt bikers and ATV riders. But increasingly, the two-wheeled folks are becoming embroiled in conflicts with other trail users, and bikers now are finding themselves on the other side of the philosophical divide and risking alienating traditional allies. From a long, unflattering history of creating illegal, unsustainable trails to a new trend * winter "fat" bikes that compete with skiers and snowshoers on snow-covered trails * biking now represents an intrusive activity that affects others in the woods. Go to any online outdoor forum these days, and you'll see lots of chatter about the compatibility of bikes and other activities, ranging from allowing bikes on trails in national parks to whether battery-assisted bikes belong, well, anywhere. (In Boulder, two distinct camps have formed over allowing the new breed of electric moped to share the paved bike paths.) And the fiercest debate today is over whether the new breed of winter bikes * which rely on bulbous, low-pressure tires to float over the snow * belong on the trails. The fear is they will gouge out ruts in soft snow, making the skiing treacherous. On MTBR, a popular mountain-biking chat site, writers discussed whether fat bikes should be allowed on specifically groomed cross-country ski trails, which already prohibit hikers for the sake of keeping the track smooth. "I tried to ride on a groomed trail once in Wyoming," wrote one biker. "It was on public open space land, and the trail was probably 40 inches wide. I actually thought I was going to be lynched. I got on my bike in the parking lot and was surrounded by a bunch of XC skiers. They were actually shouting two inches from my face." "Skiers are a testy, testy bunch. Avoid them at all costs," wrote another. But even in sticking to multi-use trails on public lands that officially are open to all users, "fat bikers" are encountering hostility from unsuspecting snowshoers and skiers, similar to the complaints that hikers have expressed in the summer when bikers swarm past on their favorite treks. Communities, public-lands agencies and user groups now are grappling with how to keep peace among the different interests. In Aspen, fat bikes for the first time this winter are being allowed on Pitkin County open space groomed by the Aspen Snowmass Nordic Council as a trial run. Two years ago, Idaho started hosting a "fat bike summit" that brings land managers and bikers together to discuss ways of alleviating conflicts. And the International Mountain Biking Association is imploring its members to be sure that fat bikes are permitted on the lands where they want to ride. Because the number of fat bikes is doubling every year, doing nothing is no longer an option, and some regulation is needed. The problem is that land managers have been unable to keep up with the evolving uses and demands. The U.S. Forest Service was slow to recognize the explosion of summertime mountain biking in the 1980s, and the ensuing user conflicts and braids of illegal, poorly designed user-created trails created a management nightmare. Similarly, ATVs have intruded into untrammeled places, forever altering their character. Many of those routes have grown so popular that forest managers begrudgingly have been forced to include them in their updated trail networks. Another issue is that bikers, as well as many other groups, always are looking to expand their territory, threatening to change the nature of ... well, nature. This time, it's fat bikes. Next, powered bikes. Before that, mountain boards. Every new fad and craze competes for more space, resources, management on the trail, and each creates its own bitter divisions on who belongs.” Since it seems I am now the only one on this newsgroup posting any content, I will treat with appropriate scorn any responders who do not also post some content. Name calling does not work with me as I just love to name call myself. It is part of being a Great Saint. Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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