Can't We All Just Get Along?
"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Edward Dolan wrote: I have given you dozens of reasons why bikes don't belong on hiking trails in the course of our correspondence. And I've disposed of them all as the ramblings of an illogical and irrational fool. Only in your own mind. All serious hikers will agree with what I have posted. Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking! “Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.” ~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24), from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets" Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
Can't We All Just Get Along?
I have given you dozens of reasons why bikes don't belong on
hiking trails in the course of our correspondence. And I've disposed of them all as the ramblings of an illogical and irrational fool. Only in your own mind. All serious hikers will agree with what I have posted. Well, I'm happy for these interactions to be publicly available and for the general population to decide. I don't expect, any longer, to be able to have a rational conversation with you because you simply lack the intellectual firepower to participate cogently. |
Can't We All Just Get Along?
On Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:36:06 PM UTC-4, Edward Dolan wrote:
Blackblade and other idiots like him think trails can be shared. Yea, we can all be just one happy family enjoying what nature has to offer, no matter our mode of transport. Hells Bells, we can't even share what is so easily available in the cities - roads and streets galore. Read the latest example of what happens when barbarians like Blackblade just wants to do what he wants to do. If you want to live in civilized society enjoying the good life, not everyone can do whatever he wants to do. Elementary my dear Watson! From: gwyn wahlmann Subject: regarding Multi-Use Trails Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:50:34 -0500 From the 700+ comment section following today's NYTimes article, "Death on a Bike," I started a collection of complaints regarding bike/pedestrian sharing, but there were far too many to continue. Suffice it to say, bikes and pedestrians are not a good mix on the streets, so why would they be on trails? Here are a few comments....... A. Stanton Dallas, TX 5 hours ago And then there's the other side of the story: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/ny...tical-conditio.. Uniack Woodside, NY 5 hours ago Today a woman was mowed down by a bicyclist on a racing bike, riding at excessive speed in an urban setting and not on a bike path. So what's your point? I don't recall a case where a pedestrian was responsible for injury or death because they ran into a bike or auto. Anyone who has been hit by a careless cycler, as I have been, would be more sympathetic if there were strict regulations strictly enforced for both drivers and riders. ellieny is a trusted commenter New York 2 hours ago And what about people who walk? RIding a bike to work may be hip/cool/sexy, but some people enjoy just walking. Some enjoy it so much they don't even own bikes or cars. Crashes like the one described in this article happen all the time in New York City, but here it's not just bikers being hit. It's also pedestrians (being hit by both cars and bikes), and I believe walker fatalities exceed biker fatalities. Just yesterday the wife of CBS executive was mowed down by a biker while she was walking through Central Park on a nice fall day. She sustained massive head injuries and is now on life support at NY Pres-Weill Cornell. CMK Honolulu 2 hours ago I drive, motorcycle, bicycle and walk. I always believed that separating pedestrians for motor traffic was a good idea. Then I was mowed down by a bike and I thought, we have to separate cars and bikes and pedestrians. Lately, I have also been sharing the sidewalks with segues and electric scooters. I don't know what the solutions a laws, zones, use schedules, permits, physical barriers? Don't get me started on ocean activities: boating, sailing, swimming, diving, fishing, surfing. We should be assured that doing a legal activity is reasonably safe. Maurice New York, N.Y. 4 hours ago The situation in Central Park is appalling. There is no policing in the roadways or elsewhere. Cyclists (and others---I almost got impacted by a skate boarder this afternoon) ignore red lights and instead the pedestrian is cautioned to look both ways before crossing even when he has the right of way with a green light.Everyone ignores the nice neat signs saying "no bike riding on paths" and there is no one to enforce it. Try riding between 59th St and 72nd street. And woe to the early morning walker or leisure biker when the Tour de France hopefuls are practicing. The Police Department abandoned its enforcement to the Parks Department which, I suppose, abandoned it in turn to the Central Park Conservancy which appears to run the park and state what you can and cannot do. Sydney Tucson, AZ 6 hours ago Unfortunately, cyclists are often as cavalier about the safety of pedestrians as motorists are of theirs. Might makes right, I guess. Surgres New York 6 hours ago Today in NYC a cyclist hit a pedestrian and caused her to suffer brain death. The accident happened in Central Park and the cyclist was going at a high speed, in the wrong lane, on a high-end racing bike. Cyclists have no right to speed or to disobey traffic laws, and yet they do. We cannot discuss safety unless cyclists take greater responsibility. Pedestrians must always be the top priority! sad taxpayer NY, NY 7 hours ago Westchester has a wonderful north south bike path. Guess what? Bike riders refuse to use it, opting for narrow adjecent two-lines roads full of cars. There reason? The bike path is also used by slow riding children and adult walkers. The size and speed difference between those two groups pales when bike riders are compared with truck and cars, yet the bike paths are underused while the Westchester bicyclists crowd the cars and trucks on the roads. Just a thought New York 7 hours ago I've never been hit by a car; been hit 3 times by a bike. Let's talk reality. Shall we hear a NYT story of the brain-dead woman hit by a speeding cyclist in Central Park yesterday? Pedestrians need protection from rogue cyclists as much as from speeding drivers. bignybugs new york 7 hours ago and when on your bike, whizzing along, the wind in your face, don't forget that there are people even more vulnerable than you a pedestrians ... Sandra Portland 7 hours ago Yesterday, a woman in New York was struck by a fast-moving bicyclist and now is in critical condition. Yes, drivers need to be careful, but so do bicyclists. My city is as bike crazy as Seattle (maybe more), and at any given moment you can see bikes flying through red lights or edging pedestrians off walking paths. Rarely are they ticketed by police. I drive, I bike and I walk; all three have their own share of danger. Perhaps the best place to start is by agreeing to be civil to each other and accepting that the rules of the road, including traffic signals and stop signs, apply to all of us. J Nuccio Oregon 7 hours ago I was recently in the Netherlands and what they also have is designated bike paths - not part of a road to share - but separate paved paths. Often they share the sidewalks with pedestrians but I did notice that bikes rule! I have been hit by a car - at a low speed - so all I suffered was a broken thumb. But I have not felt confident since and do not bike much in traffic now. I would like to see in the US is the same types of bike paths as are available in the Netherlands. Reply Recommend NYT Pick stephanie ny, ny 6 hours ago For good or ill, we are not the Netherlands. And thanks, but no thanks; the last thing a walking city like NY needs is bikes on the sidewalks. Dealing with other pedestrians is dangerous enough. I think the entire notion of attempting to turn NYC into a small European town (Yes, Mr. Bloomberg, this one's for you) is ludicrous-- and encouraging more cyclists to place themselves and pedestrians in peril, unconscionable. Reply 10Recommended Janice NYC 2 hours ago I agree wholeheartedly with stephanie. The thing I always disliked about Amsterdam was dealing with trying to cross the street with cars, trucks, trolleys and bikes all whizzing along. There were always intersections in Amsterdam where I had to wait for a native to come along so I could accompany them across the street since I couldn't figure out how to get safely across! It was always so great to come home to New York where there were no bikes and crossing the street was straightforward and simple. That's all gone now I really dislike what has happened with the advent of the Bloomberg bike lanes. Traveling in New York City has become a nightmare since all of the bike lanes have been put in. There has been no major increase in the availability of public transportation to offset the loss of road space so traffic is always a problem now over much of the city. There has been no serious or effective attempt to educate or regulate cyclists. Crossing the street is harder with bikes riding in the wrong direction, on sidewalks, too fast or not stopping when they should. I wish a mayor would come along with the chutzpah to get rid of all the bike lanes and the Citibikes and return the streets back to normal. Reply 1Recommend Casual Observer Los Angeles 6 hours ago gonealgo, How many of your bicycle riding acquaintances understand how much damage they can cause to a pedestrian in a collision -- that pedestrians have been maimed and killed by collisions with bicycle riders? How many understand that if a bicycle rider is moving at the same speed as an automobile following right behind it and they both must stop that the bicycle will stop in a far shorter distance than the auto? SY NYC 8 hours ago Any death is a cause for sadness, and the death of this young woman cyclist means great loss for friends and family. But as a non biking pedestrian in the city, and a man of a certain age, one who uses a cane for long walks, I find that the cyclists have added a new, great hazard to those of us who still use our legs to get around in this city. I have seen them riding facing traffic instead of with the flow, and every day there is at lead one adult cyclist who is blithely riding on the sidewalk. Licensing and policing are needed - for the good of the pedestrians and for the cyclists themselves. Tony New York 8 hours ago Didn't a cyclist run into and kill a pedestrian in Central Park just this week? It's not just cyclists vs. motorized vehicles, it's cyclists vs. pedestrians. Reply 5Recommended DSM Westfield 9 hours ago Although the writer notes how arrogant and reckless he finds bicyclists when he is driving a car, he ignores the far more important issue--bicyclists routinely injure or kill pedestrians by speeding down streets the wrong way; racing up behind pedestrians then colliding with those who step to the side to avoid a puddle, not knowing the bicyclist is there; jumping on and off sidewalks; etc. Alec Baldwin is the only bicyclist I have ever seen or read of getting ticketed for such behavior. George NYC 10 hours ago At my age of 82, I do not ride a bike. Nor do I drive. But I walk a lot. I find bicycles are far more dangerous in New York City than any other vehicle. Too many speedy delivery men on bicycles, who, after an accident, claim they speak no English. Too many bicyclists on the sidewalks, who would rather endanger pedestrians than submit to danger themselves on the streets . Bicyclists should be licensed with small plates visible on their bikes. And traffic laws enforced, especially after an accident. richard kopperdahl new york city 15 hours ago I haven't seen as many white memorial bikes in town since the proliferation of bike lanes. I'm and old guy and I have more close encounters on the streets and sidewalks with bikes than I do with autos. They often go the wrong way on bike lanes, they don't respect red lights and although there are periodic crackdowns on wayward and criminal bike riders, they're soon back to their free-weeling ways. A woman was struck yesterday by a $4,000 racing bike in Central Park. The bike rider was speeding in a car lane and yelled for the woman to get out of the way before he struck her. She is "brain dead" according to a New York Post report. Reply 12Recommend TheOwl New England 15 hours ago Interesting story in the papers today of the mindless cyclist hitting a pedestrian in a crosswalk and rendering her brain dead. Cyclist was speeding and not in the bike lane. His only apparent effort to avoid the accident was to shout "get out of the way". Mr. Egan's zeal to defend the cyclists seems to run headlong into an agument that suggests that cyclists need to be considerate of the rights of those who use more conventional modes of transportation...like their feet ! ! ! Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers - unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking! "Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground." ~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24), from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets" Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What's the matter? Can't walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great Well, it's my first time posting here. As a mtn biker in New England, I belong to HEMBA (New England Mtn Bike Assn). It sponsors a Bike Patrol that receives first aid training (ARC certified). Each patroller carries first aid AND a desire to maintain some level of civility and courtesy on the trails. I believe about ten or more years ago that Curtis Sliwa formed a citizen's group to fight crime. I do not have all the details, of its success so please don't pounce. Mtn bikers often ride with mini-cams. Why not consider a group of riders who carry personal mini-cams? I'm sure one lawyer in NYC and elsewhere would probably appreciate some audio/video evidence. :-) Just my two cents ... most likely won't reply for a few weeks too much anger here .... |
Can't We All Just Get Along?
"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
I have given you dozens of reasons why bikes don't belong on hiking trails in the course of our correspondence. And I've disposed of them all as the ramblings of an illogical and irrational fool. Only in your own mind. All serious hikers will agree with what I have posted. Well, I'm happy for these interactions to be publicly available and for the general population to decide. Hell yes! Me too! I don't expect, any longer, to be able to have a rational conversation with you because you simply lack the intellectual firepower to participate cogently. You have not been rational from day one as far as I am concerned. But more than that, you are evil – a real scumbag like all your tribe. Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking! “Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.” ~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24), from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets" Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
Can't We All Just Get Along?
"KoncussionKid" wrote in message ...
On Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:36:06 PM UTC-4, Edward Dolan wrote: Blackblade and other idiots like him think trails can be shared. Yea, we can all be just one happy family enjoying what nature has to offer, no matter our mode of transport. Hells Bells, we can't even share what is so easily available in the cities - roads and streets galore. Read the latest example of what happens when barbarians like Blackblade just wants to do what he wants to do. If you want to live in civilized society enjoying the good life, not everyone can do whatever he wants to do. Elementary my dear Watson! From: gwyn wahlmann Subject: regarding Multi-Use Trails Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:50:34 -0500 From the 700+ comment section following today's NYTimes article, "Death on a Bike," I started a collection of complaints regarding bike/pedestrian sharing, but there were far too many to continue. Suffice it to say, bikes and pedestrians are not a good mix on the streets, so why would they be on trails? Here are a few comments....... I also could be posting thousands of articles about how bikers are ruinning wilderness trails for hikers, but they all tend to have a sameness about them just like your list of comments.about urban conflicts. A scoundrel like Blackblade does not care for true life stories or comments from pedestrians. He prefers to put his faith in meaningless numbers. That is because he is a lout and does not care about how he effects others. [...] Well, it's my first time posting here. As a mtn biker in New England, I belong to HEMBA (New England Mtn Bike Assn). It sponsors a Bike Patrol that receives first aid training (ARC certified). Each patroller carries first aid AND a desire to maintain some level of civility and courtesy on the trails. No matter how civil and courteous you are on a trail, you do not belong there unless you are walking. Hikers resent the hell out of you for being there on a bike. I believe about ten or more years ago that Curtis Sliwa formed a citizen's group to fight crime. I do not have all the details, of its success so please don't pounce. Mtn bikers often ride with mini-cams. Why not consider a group of riders who carry personal mini-cams? I'm sure one lawyer in NYC and elsewhere would probably appreciate some audio/video evidence. :-) Just my two cents ... most likely won't reply for a few weeks too much anger here .... The only anger here is occasioned by the world’s number one Asshole who goes by the moniker of Blackblade.This jackass is from England which right there ****es me off. I don’t think they have any true wilderness there except maybe in the outer reaches of Scotland. Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking! “Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.” ~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24), from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets" Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
Can't We All Just Get Along?
I have given you dozens of reasons why bikes don't belong on hiking trails in the course of our correspondence. And I've disposed of them all as the ramblings of an illogical and irrational fool. Only in your own mind. All serious hikers will agree with what I have posted. Well, I'm happy for these interactions to be publicly available and for the general population to decide. Hell yes! Me too! I don't expect, any longer, to be able to have a rational conversation with you because you simply lack the intellectual firepower to participate cogently. You have not been rational from day one as far as I am concerned. You appreciation of what is rational is rather suspect. You admit that the presence of a bike causes you 'Mental Torture' and you claim to know an awful lot of things which you don't. But more than that, you are evil - a real scumbag like all your tribe. You're entitled to your view. Personally, I think it's the other way around. As a biker AND hiker, I'm completely fine with reaching a sensible accomodation. I don't expect to be able to ride every trail, I accept that there need to be spaces for quiet contemplation and that we all have to ensure that we don't destroy the thing we love for future generations. However, where we part company is that, unlike you, I don't for a second believe that my wants automatically trump everyone else's. You, on the other hand, are adamant that you won't share with anyone and that, despite evidence to the contrary, you are simply 'right' ... axiomatically. I think that makes you the selfish, unreasonable, irrational and hubristic individual. But, hey, it's all down in black and white for others to judge for themselves. |
Can't We All Just Get Along?
I also could be posting thousands of articles about how bikers are ruinning wilderness trails for hikers, but they all tend to have a sameness about them just like your list of comments.about urban conflicts. A scoundrel like Blackblade does not care for true life stories or comments from pedestrians. He prefers to put his faith in meaningless numbers. That is because he is a lout and does not care about how he effects others. No, Ed, you can't post thousands of articles or even complaints; I challenged you on this a while ago and you failed. You claimed that, in Marin, there were thousands of reports of conflict between bikers an hikers. Funnily enough, when it came down to it there were a small handful. I'm fine with stories and comments but, unless you put them into context, they are worthless. If one person in a thousand feels something do they get to dictate to the other nine hundred and ninety nine ? That's not right. I have said, repeatedly, that I will compromise precisely because I do care about others. You, on the other hand, would happily disenfranchise all mountainbikers ... so who is the selfish individual who doesn't care about their effect on others. Shame on you. Well, it's my first time posting here. As a mtn biker in New England, I belong to HEMBA (New England Mtn Bike Assn). It sponsors a Bike Patrol that receives first aid training (ARC certified). Each patroller carries first aid AND a desire to maintain some level of civility and courtesy on the trails. No matter how civil and courteous you are on a trail, you do not belong there unless you are walking. Hikers resent the hell out of you for being there on a bike. What Ed means is that HE resents the hell out of you for being there on a bike. Most hikers don't care at all as long as you are courteous and don't inconvenience them. Ed considers the mere presence of a bike as "Mental Torture" ... so you're not going to get a proportionate response from him. I believe about ten or more years ago that Curtis Sliwa formed a citizen's group to fight crime. I do not have all the details, of its success so please don't pounce. Mtn bikers often ride with mini-cams. Why not consider a group of riders who carry personal mini-cams? I'm sure one lawyer in NYC and elsewhere would probably appreciate some audio/video evidence. :-) Just my two cents ... most likely won't reply for a few weeks too much anger here .... The only anger here is occasioned by the world's number one Asshole who goes by the moniker of Blackblade. Ah, Ed, increasingly choleric. I had no idea I was able to engender such a reaction simply by sticking to facts and logic. This jackass is from England which right there ****es me off. I don't think they have any true wilderness there except maybe in the outer reaches of Scotland. Ah, Ed, again with the flawed thinking. Rather than just spouting why don't you actually bother to check first ? Then you wouldn't look like an idiot. There are many national parks in the UK. Interestingly, in one sense you are right in that Scotland has the most acreage of such parks ... and they are probably more untramelled too. However, Scotland also has 'Right to Roam' legislation which means you can hike and ride it all too. |
Can't We All Just Get Along?
"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...] Edward Dolan wrote: You have not been rational from day one as far as I am concerned. You appreciation of what is rational is rather suspect. You admit that the presence of a bike causes you 'Mental Torture' and you claim to know an awful lot of things which you don't. I know what I know and the main thing I know is that you are an Asshole! But more than that, you are evil - a real scumbag like all your tribe. You're entitled to your view. Personally, I think it's the other way around. As a biker AND hiker, I'm completely fine with reaching a sensible accomodation. I don't expect to be able to ride every trail, I accept that there need to be spaces for quiet contemplation and that we all have to ensure that we don't destroy the thing we love for future generations. However, where we part company is that, unlike you, I don't for a second believe that my wants automatically trump everyone else's. You, on the other hand, are adamant that you won't share with anyone and that, despite evidence to the contrary, you are simply 'right' ... axiomatically. Get your own god damn ****ing trails. We hikers do not want you on OUR trails. I think that makes you the selfish, unreasonable, irrational and hubristic individual. Nope, as always, you are only describing yourself. But, hey, it's all down in black and white for others to judge for themselves. I too will leave it for others to decide for themselves. Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking! “Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.” ~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24), from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets" Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
Edward Dolan wrote: I also could be posting thousands of articles about how bikers are ruining wilderness trails for hikers, but they all tend to have a sameness about them just like your list of comments.about urban conflicts. A scoundrel like Blackblade does not care for true life stories or comments from pedestrians. He prefers to put his faith in meaningless numbers. That is because he is a lout and does not care about how he effects others. No, Ed, you can't post thousands of articles or even complaints; I challenged you on this a while ago and you failed. You claimed that, in Marin, there were thousands of reports of conflict between bikers an hikers. Funnily enough, when it came down to it there were a small handful. I have got better things to do with my time than to post thousands of media reports on how mountain bikers manage to kill themselves. **** the whole tribe! I'm fine with stories and comments but, unless you put them into context, they are worthless. If one person in a thousand feels something do they get to dictate to the other nine hundred and ninety nine ? That's not right. Media reports give the whole context. It is your data that is ****ed. I have said, repeatedly, that I will compromise precisely because I do care about others. You, on the other hand, would happily disenfranchise all mountainbikers ... so who is the selfish individual who doesn't care about their effect on others. Shame on you. Nope, shame on you for not acknowledging that irreconcilable conflicts exist on how bikers use trails as opposed to how hikers use trails. Hikers are unable to use trails which bikers are using. I ask you, who is being selfish? We cannot share what can‘t be shared. I charge you with being a criminal aggressor. You and your ilk are destroying what has been a haven for sensitive souls seeking a haven from the the ills of civilization. Walking a trail is good for the soul, something you apparently know nothing about. Well, it's my first time posting here. As a mtn biker in New England, I belong to HEMBA (New England Mtn Bike Assn). It sponsors a Bike Patrol that receives first aid training (ARC certified). Each patroller carries first aid AND a desire to maintain some level of civility and courtesy on the trails. No matter how civil and courteous you are on a trail, you do not belong there unless you are walking. Hikers resent the hell out of you for being there on a bike. What Ed means is that HE resents the hell out of you for being there on a bike. Most hikers don't care at all as long as you are courteous and don't inconvenience them. Ed considers the mere presence of a bike as "Mental Torture" ... so you're not going to get a proportionate response from him. Here is a mountain biker at his most heinous. He knows nothing of what a trail is for. In truth, he is a barbarian. I believe about ten or more years ago that Curtis Sliwa formed a citizen's group to fight crime. I do not have all the details, of its success so please don't pounce. Mtn bikers often ride with mini-cams. Why not consider a group of riders who carry personal mini-cams? I'm sure one lawyer in NYC and elsewhere would probably appreciate some audio/video evidence. :-) Just my two cents ... most likely won't reply for a few weeks too much anger here .... The only anger here is occasioned by the world's number one Asshole who goes by the moniker of Blackblade. Ah, Ed, increasingly choleric. I had no idea I was able to engender such a reaction simply by sticking to facts and logic. All the facts and logic are on my side. A hiking trail is a narrow winding path and there is no way it can be shared with bikers. I charge Blackblade with being nothing but a criminal trespasser. This jackass is from England which right there ****es me off. I don't think they have any true wilderness there except maybe in the outer reaches of Scotland. Ah, Ed, again with the flawed thinking. Rather than just spouting why don't you actually bother to check first ? Then you wouldn't look like an idiot. There are many national parks in the UK. Yes, national parks that are like state parks here in the US. Interestingly, in one sense you are right in that Scotland has the most acreage of such parks ... and they are probably more untramelled too. However, Scotland also has 'Right to Roam' legislation which means you can hike and ride it all too. London dominates all of England and Scotland too. It is like a cancer on the face of the UK. If I were an Englishman like Blackblade I would go to the Hebrides like Mendelssohn to get away from ****ing humanity as much as possible. But Blackblade is a ****ing mountain biker and he likes nothing better than to destroy trails for hikers. Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking! “Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.” ~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24), from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets" Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads. Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk? Ed Dolan the Great aka Saint Edward the Great |
Can't We All Just Get Along?
I also could be posting thousands of articles about
how bikers are ruining wilderness trails for hikers, but they all tend to have a sameness about them just like your list of comments.about urban conflicts. A scoundrel like Blackblade does not care for true life stories or comments from pedestrians. He prefers to put his faith in meaningless numbers. That is because he is a lout and does not care about how he effects others. No, Ed, you can't post thousands of articles or even complaints; I challenged you on this a while ago and you failed. You claimed that, in Marin, there were thousands of reports of conflict between bikers an hikers. Funnily enough, when it came down to it there were a small handful. I have got better things to do with my time than to post thousands of media reports on how mountain bikers manage to kill themselves. **** the whole tribe! And, likewise, I have much better things to do than post the more than three times as many incidents describing how hikers expire. So, let's get to a summary of the overall situation shall we ... which is that both activities are relatively safe when compared with things like rugby, skiing, football, driving, road cycling etc etc etc. However, more pertinently, you are again attempting to change the subject. You were discussing reports of complaints about mountainbikers from hikers. I don't think you have too many of those ... so it should be easy to find them. I'm fine with stories and comments but, unless you put them into context, they are worthless. If one person in a thousand feels something do they get to dictate to the other nine hundred and ninety nine ? That's not right. Media reports give the whole context. It is your data that is ****ed. Fine, then address the more than three times as many media reports of hikers expiring ! I have said, repeatedly, that I will compromise precisely because I do care about others. You, on the other hand, would happily disenfranchise all mountainbikers ... so who is the selfish individual who doesn't care about their effect on others. Shame on you. Nope, shame on you for not acknowledging that irreconcilable conflicts exist on how bikers use trails as opposed to how hikers use trails. Hikers are unable to use trails which bikers are using. Not true ... and I've given you many examples where trails are being shared quite amicably. I ask you, who is being selfish? We cannot share what can't be shared. If it can't be shared why is it working fine in so many locations Ed ? I charge you with being a criminal aggressor. You and your ilk are destroying what has been a haven for sensitive souls seeking a haven from the the ills of civilization. Walking a trail is good for the soul, something you apparently know nothing about. Well, it clearly hasn't done much for improving your soul. |
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