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EdwardDolan January 6th 14 05:00 AM

The Joys & Pleasures of Cycling on Trails
 
“As far as I can tell, the mountain bikers are totally silent on the
subject of these horrific accidents, and what they imply about the
danger of mountain biking. Am I wrong?

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/injur...pital/5/178452

Injured mountain biker airlifted to hospital

Saturday, 4 January, 2014 - 10:51

This morning (Jan 4th) at approximately 9.30am the Nelson Marlborough
Rescue Helicopter was dispatched to the scene of a mountain bike
accident in forestry near Thorpe in the Motueka Valley. A 66 year old
male from the area crashed while riding, landing heavily, sustaining
injuries to his ribs. The rider was assessed by the helicopters
onboard intensive care paramedic before being flown to Nelson
Hospital for further treatment.”

It was no doubt well worth a few broken ribs to trespass on a trail which
was meant for hikers, not bikers. Once this fool has healed, he will no
doubt be back to try his luck again. Maybe next time he will succeed in
killing himself. That would be good riddance to bad rubbish!

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



Blackblade[_2_] January 6th 14 01:13 PM

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http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/injur...pital/5/178452

........... snipped ......

It was no doubt well worth a few broken ribs to trespass on a trail which

was meant for hikers, not bikers. Once this fool has healed, he will no

doubt be back to try his luck again. Maybe next time he will succeed in

killing himself. That would be good riddance to bad rubbish!


Trespass; enter someone's land or property without permission

This individual was not trespassing.

EdwardDolan January 10th 14 03:03 AM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/injur...pital/5/178452


........... snipped ......

It was no doubt well worth a few broken ribs to trespass on a trail which
was meant for hikers, not bikers. Once this fool has healed, he will no
doubt be back to try his luck again. Maybe next time he will succeed in
killing himself. That would be good riddance to bad rubbish!


Trespass; enter someone's land or property without permission


This individual was not trespassing.


It was a trespass against morality and common sense – and he got his just deserts.

Read on:

http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2014/0106...ver-christmas/

Actor Matt Damon broke his collarbone over the festive period during
a mountain-biking outing.

The 43-year-old Bourne Identity star was spotted at LAX Airport in
Los Angeles on Saturday (04Jan14) sporting a sling on his left arm.

Speaking to reporters after landing, Damon explained his injury,
saying, "I broke my collarbone... I was trying to mountain-bike."

Who the hell is this Matt Damon? Anybody you know? Too bad he did not break his spine! Then he could lie in bed immobile for the rest of his life contemplating the joys and pleasures of cycling on trails.

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


EdwardDolan January 11th 14 03:26 AM

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"EdwardDolan" wrote in message ...

More idiocy:

http://encino.patch.com/groups/polic...ve-near-encino

VIDEO: Biker Rescued by Helicopter After Falling Off Mulholland Drive
near Encino

Rescuers are called to the area near the 17500 block of Mulholland
Drive about 8:45 a.m.
Posted by Craig Clough (Editor) , January 08, 2014 at 12:25 PM

By City News Service

Firefighters rescued a man who was seriously injured Wednesday in a
fall on a mountain bike in the Encino area.

Rescuers went to the area near the 17500 block of Mulholland Drive
about 8:45 a.m., said Erik Scott of the Los Angeles Fire Department.

The unidentified man was hoisted from the rugged terrain via
helicopter, and was taken to a hospital, Scott said.”

After the hospital, take him to a mental institution to see a psychiatrist to find out why he is riding a bike on a hiking trail. Then give him a good horsewhipping for being such a fool.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


EdwardDolan January 11th 14 03:39 AM

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"EdwardDolan" wrote in message ...

Here is some information for those who think mountain biking is growing in popularity. It is just a matter of time until it ceases to exist altogether. Nothing but a stupid fad cultivated by idiots!

”Emails on mountain biking lists have fallen to a trickle. Hardly anyone now bikes (illegally) on my hiking trail. Older mountain bikers are doing themselves irreparable harm, if not killing themselves. But we still need to protect young people from getting hooked on this self-destructive activity.

Some recent stats from 2013 Outdoor activities survey done in the USA puts mountain biking at around 3% average (no change from 2009, and may be falling), same as skiing and snowboarding....Check out hiking and wildlife viewing stats! Why should DNV and others allow such a destructive minority to dictate the use of our public forests, indeed. And why won't it be contained to a recreational resort like skiing and snowboarding?”


Participation in Outdoor Activities, All Americans Ages 6+



2012 in 000’s -- % of Population



Bicycling (Mountain/Non-Paved Surface) - 7,714 pop. -- 2.7%



Hiking --- 34,545 pop. -- 12.0%



Skiing (Alpine/Downhill) --- 8,243 pop. -- 2.9%





Snowboarding ---- 7,351 pop. -- 2.6%



Wildlife Viewing (More Than 1/4 Mile of

Home/Vehicle) - 22,999 pop. -- 8.0%


http://www.outdoorfoundation.org/pdf...pation2013.pdf
(page 58 of the online report)

Mountain bikes have wheels and wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



Blackblade[_2_] January 11th 14 03:50 PM

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Oh I do so love it when you shoot yourself so spectacularly in the foot because, clearly, you can't be bothered to read the whole report;

Most Popular Outdoor Activities by Participation Rate

1. Running, Jogging and trail Running
19% of Americans Ages 6+, 53.2 million participants
2. Freshwater, Sal****er and Fly Fishing
16% of Americans Ages 6+, 46.0 million participants
3. Road Biking, Mountain Biking and BMX
15% of Americans Ages 6+, 42.3 million participants
4. Car, Backyard and RV camping
13% of Americans Ages 6+ 38.0 million participants
5. Hiking
12% of Americans Ages 6+, 34.5 million participants

I seem to recall that you're not too keen on people running on trails either ? :-). Only your reverential attitude to nature should be permitted on trails is, I believe, your position ?

And, if I could draw your attention to the first time participants table, on Page 14 of the report, hiking comes near the bottom there. People are taking up other outdoor activities.

Your comments about email are meaningless because there is currently a shift to commenting and chat apps ... just as Usenet was itself superceded by forums.

Blackblade[_2_] January 11th 14 03:55 PM

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Trespass; enter someone's land or property without
permission

This individual was not trespassing.


It was a trespass against morality and common sense and he
got his just deserts.


Ah, we're back in Dolan world where things mean whatever you want them to mean are we and anyone who disagrees with you deserves physical injury ?

I know I'm going to regret asking this but just how do you manage to claim that mountainbiking is immoral ? Funnily enough, all the world's religions seem to have missed it out of their commandments.

Actor Matt Damon broke his collarbone over the festive period during

a mountain-biking outing.

The 43-year-old Bourne Identity star was
spotted at LAX Airport in
Los Angeles on Saturday (04Jan14) sporting a sling
on his left arm.

Speaking to reporters after landing, Damon explained his
injury,
saying, "I broke my collarbone... I was trying to
mountain-bike."

Who the hell is this Matt Damon? Anybody you know? Too bad he
did not break his spine! Then he could lie in bed immobile for the rest of his
life contemplating the joys and pleasures of cycling on trails.


What a sad and twisted man you are becoming ... you want to see a healthy individual reduced to being a quadraplegic just because he enjoys something you don't agree with ?

Blackblade[_2_] January 11th 14 03:58 PM

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As far as I can tell, the mountain bikers are totally silent on the
subject of these horrific accidents, and what they imply about the
danger of mountain biking. Am I wrong?


Yes, Ed, you're totally wrong. Mountainbikers are completely aware of the risks and post videos and pictures of mishaps. We choose to go out and live our lives and accept those risks.

Here's a compilation of the many that have been posted on Pinkbike ... http://www.pinkbike.com/video/309875/

Glad I could enlighten you.

EdwardDolan January 11th 14 04:08 PM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Trespass; enter someone's land or property without

permission

This individual was not trespassing.


It was a trespass against morality and common sense and he
got his just deserts.


Ah, we're back in Dolan world where things mean whatever you want them to mean are we and anyone who disagrees with you deserves physical injury ?


I know I'm going to regret asking this but just how do you manage to claim that mountainbiking is immoral ? Funnily enough, all the world's religions seem to have missed it out of their commandments.


Morality is not confined to religions. Saint Edward the Great is an Atheist and He has the worlds highest morality.

Actor Matt Damon broke his collarbone over the festive period during

a mountain-biking outing.

The 43-year-old Bourne Identity star was
spotted at LAX Airport in
Los Angeles on Saturday (04Jan14) sporting a sling
on his left arm.

Speaking to reporters after landing, Damon explained his
injury,
saying, "I broke my collarbone... I was trying to
mountain-bike."

Who the hell is this Matt Damon? Anybody you know? Too bad he
did not break his spine! Then he could lie in bed immobile for the rest of his
life contemplating the joys and pleasures of cycling on trails.


What a sad and twisted man you are becoming ... you want to see a healthy individual reduced to being a quadraplegic just because he enjoys something you don't agree with ?


Nonsense, I just want to see mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails DEAD! That is the higher morality.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



EdwardDolan January 11th 14 04:31 PM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Oh I do so love it when you shoot yourself so spectacularly in the foot because, clearly, you can't be bothered to read the whole report;


Most Popular Outdoor Activities by Participation Rate


1. Running, Jogging and trail Running

19% of Americans Ages 6+, 53.2 million participants
2. Freshwater, Sal****er and Fly Fishing
16% of Americans Ages 6+, 46.0 million participants
3. Road Biking, Mountain Biking and BMX
15% of Americans Ages 6+, 42.3 million participants
4. Car, Backyard and RV camping
13% of Americans Ages 6+ 38.0 million participants
5. Hiking
12% of Americans Ages 6+, 34.5 million participants

I seem to recall that you're not too keen on people running on trails either ? :-). Only your reverential attitude to nature should be permitted on trails is, I believe, your position ?


Most resorts now have trails near by for sports enthusiasts and physical fitness nuts. That accounts for that particular statistic. Running or jogging on a trail far removed from a resort is something that only an idiot would do. Most running occurs on city streets.

And, if I could draw your attention to the first time participants table, on Page 14 of the report, hiking comes near the bottom there. People are taking up other outdoor activities.


Regarding the biking category, BMX and road biking should not be part of that. Mountain biking is a very small part of it. You do not know how to read a statistic because you do not know how to make a commonsense analysis. Also the age category 6+ is way too young. What kids do or don’t do doesn’t count as far as I am concerned. The proper age should have been about 14+.

Your comments about email are meaningless because there is currently a shift to commenting and chat apps ... just as Usenet was itself superceded by forums.


These emails will have links to reports mostly from newspapers or magazines. I don’t need to read them because I already know what they will say. But you badly need the education, so I do advise you to read the links. I think a forum and a newsgroup are one and the same thing, except most forums will have moderators in order to keep Great Ones like Myself from speaking the truth.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


EdwardDolan January 11th 14 04:47 PM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Edward Dolan quoted:

As far as I can tell, the mountain bikers are totally silent on the
subject of these horrific accidents, and what they imply about the
danger of mountain biking. Am I wrong?


Yes, Ed, you're totally wrong. Mountainbikers are completely aware of the risks and post videos and pictures of mishaps. We choose to go out and live our lives and accept those risks.


Young women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. In fact, most testosterone powered guys also do not have a clue. They only become enlightened when they suffer a mishap, something that is extremely likely to happen sooner or later.

Here's a compilation of the many that have been posted on Pinkbike .... http://www.pinkbike.com/video/309875/


I never bother with mountain biker propaganda. It is always about just one thing ... how much fun it is to get a thrill by risking life and limb. **** the whole lot of them. They are all idiots!

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



EdwardDolan January 11th 14 08:07 PM

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"EdwardDolan" wrote in message ...

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Here's a compilation of the many that have been posted on Pinkbike .... http://www.pinkbike.com/video/309875/


Edward Dolan wrote:

I never bother with mountain biker propaganda. It is always about just one thing ... how much fun it is to get a thrill by risking life and limb. **** the whole lot of them. They are all idiots!


But hey, why not send them a few of my posts since of course that forum would never accept a message from such a Great Soul as Myself. You will find out they will not accept a post from you either if you depart from the orthodoxy. Talk about echoes in a chamber, that group is it for sure! If you identify with any of those poor misguided slobs, you are lost and gone to Hell!

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



Blackblade[_2_] January 13th 14 10:54 AM

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Ah, we're back in Dolan world where things mean whatever you want
them to mean are we and anyone who disagrees with you deserves physical injury
?

I know I'm going to regret asking this but just how do you manage

to claim that mountainbiking is immoral ?* Funnily enough, all the world's
religions seem to have missed it out of their commandments.

Morality is not confined to religions. Saint Edward the Great
is an Atheist and He has the worlds highest morality.


I would suggest you lookup "Delusions of Grandeur". If you are now trying to create your own, unique, morality then you're trying to found a religion.. However, since the adherents number zero I think that just makes you slightly unbalanced.

What a sad and twisted man you are becoming ... you want to see a

healthy individual reduced to being a quadraplegic just because he enjoys
something you don't agree with ?

Nonsense, I just want to see mountain bikers who ride their
bikes on hiking trails DEAD! That is the higher morality.


Well, thanks for confirming my assertion; you are a sad and twisted man.

Blackblade[_2_] January 13th 14 11:03 AM

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Oh I do so love it when you shoot yourself so spectacularly in the
foot because, clearly, you can't be bothered to read the whole report;

... snipped as table already included earlier

I seem to recall that you're not too keen on people running on trails

either ? :-).* Only your reverential attitude to nature should be permitted
on trails is, I believe, your position ?

Most resorts now have trails near by for sports enthusiasts
and physical fitness nuts. That accounts for that particular statistic. Running
or jogging on a trail far removed from a resort is something that only an idiot
would do. Most running occurs on city streets.
Regarding the biking category, BMX and road biking should not
be part of that. Mountain biking is a very small part of it. You do not know how
to read a statistic because you do not know how to make a commonsense analysis.
Also the age category 6+ is way too young. What kids do or dont do doesnt
count as far as I am concerned. The proper age should have been about
14+.


Lol ... priceless. You are, only now, critiquing a report that YOU cited .... because it doesn't actually support your position.

Blackblade[_2_] January 13th 14 11:06 AM

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Yes, Ed, you're totally wrong.* Mountainbikers are completely
aware of the risks and post videos and pictures of mishaps.* We choose to
go out and live our lives and accept those risks.

Young women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous
mountain biking on a hiking trail is. In fact, most testosterone powered guys
also do not have a clue. They only become enlightened when they suffer a mishap,
something that is extremely likely to happen sooner or later.


Ah, more of that famous Dolan logic; make an assertion then, when it's disproven by actual facts, move the goalposts. You stated that mountainbikers were unaware and never talked about it ... I showed you that we actually post videos about it. So, your point is comprehensively refuted. QED.

As for your sexist and stupid assertion that, magically, mountainbikers don't include women well ... can I suggest you join the 21st century. If it's up on the net then it's equally accessible to all.

Blackblade[_2_] January 13th 14 11:09 AM

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But hey, why not send them a few of my posts since of course
that forum would never accept a message from such a Great Soul as Myself. You
will find out they will not accept a post from you either if you depart from the
orthodoxy. Talk about echoes in a chamber, that group is it for sure! If you
identify with any of those poor misguided slobs, you are lost and gone to
Hell!


Could that be because you are a monomaniacal, logically challenged individual with massive delusions of grandeur who frequently spouts unsupported nonsense and won't retract even when blatantly caught out ?



*

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

*

Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant
walk?

*

Ed Dolan the Great

aka

Saint Edward the Great



EdwardDolan January 16th 14 03:20 AM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Yes, Ed, you're totally wrong. Mountainbikers are completely

aware of the risks and post videos and pictures of mishaps. We choose to
go out and live our lives and accept those risks.


Edward Dolan wrote:

Young women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous
mountain biking on a hiking trail is. In fact, most testosterone powered guys
also do not have a clue. They only become enlightened when they suffer a mishap,
something that is extremely likely to happen sooner or later.


Ah, more of that famous Dolan logic; make an assertion then, when it's disproven by actual facts, move the goalposts. You stated that mountainbikers were unaware and never talked about it ... I showed you that we actually post videos about it. So, your point is comprehensively refuted. QED.


We all know what kind of mountain bikers take risks with life and limb. They are invariably young and male ... and then like to gloat about how seriously they were injured. The only cure for what ails them is death – and the sooner the better. Most mountain bikers are not aware of how dangerous their ‘sport’ is nor is the community at large, other than doctors and the ER personnel.

As for your sexist and stupid assertion that, magically, mountainbikers don't include women well ... can I suggest you join the 21st century. If it's up on the net then it's equally accessible to all.


You poor stupid sap! It is actually criminal to encourage women and kids to mountain bike on a hiking trail. Women and kids do not have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. It is why they injure themselves just trying to ride such a trail normally without attempting feats of daredevilry like the young males. What planet are you from anyway?

Feast your mind on this bit of humor from the mountain biking ‘community’ which well illustrates the general level of dumbness of mountain bikers.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29912019.html

Dublin medics treat rare condition that led to 7 week erection

13 January 2014

Medics at a Dublin hospital have successfully treated a 22-year-old
mountain biker for an unwanted seven-week erection.

The rare condition, known in medical terms as Priapism, began when
the young man injured himself on the crossbar of his mountain bike.

The injury resulted in a high flow of blood to his penis which would
not reside.

The man did not go to Tallaght hospital until five weeks after
sustaining the rare injury and initial treatment by medics failed.

A pressure dressing was attempted for two weeks but the erection
returned immediately after the treatment.

Further treatment where radiography was used on the penis was successful.

The case, which is outlined in the current issue of the Irish Medical
Journal, reported that the man did not suffer any further priapism
following the treatment and also reported 'satisfactory erection and
intercourse'.

The report adds that, as the erection is painless, patients usually
present themselves late.”

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


EdwardDolan January 16th 14 03:36 AM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]
I know I'm going to regret asking this but just how do you manage

to claim that mountainbiking is immoral ? Funnily enough, all the world's
religions seem to have missed it out of their commandments.


Edward Dolan wrote:

Morality is not confined to religions. Saint Edward the Great
is an Atheist and He has the worlds highest morality.


I would suggest you lookup "Delusions of Grandeur". If you are now trying to create your own, unique, morality then you're trying to found a religion. However, since the adherents number zero I think that just makes you slightly unbalanced.


You obviously have no acquaintance with Great Saints, let alone anyone Great. It is a common condition of dwarfs and midgets like you.

What a sad and twisted man you are becoming ... you want to see a

healthy individual reduced to being a quadraplegic just because he enjoys
something you don't agree with ?

Nonsense, I just want to see mountain bikers who ride their
bikes on hiking trails DEAD! That is the higher morality.


Well, thanks for confirming my assertion; you are a sad and twisted man.


The only sad and twisted men I know about are mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails. Fortunately, most of them get their deserved rewards in the way of injuries and death. Almost makes me think there is some justice in the world after all.

More from the trenches:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald...h-country-fall

Biker injured in high country fall

An injured mountainbiker has been rescued by helicopter after
sustaining face and neck injuries near Lake Ohau.

The 63-year-old Ashburton woman was cycling on one of the Ahuriri
mountain bike tracks when she fell about 6.30pm yesterday.

A Westpac Rescue Helicopter spokesperson said the woman's facial
injuries were ''quite serious'' and would take a significant amount
of time to recover from.

She was taken to Christchurch Hospital.

This poor woman most likely had no idea that what she was doing was dangerous.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


Blackblade[_2_] January 20th 14 02:34 PM

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The report I cited only mentioned mountain biking, not BMX and
road biking. You need to slow down and think before you post. Mountain biking
was much less than hiking. Always has been and always will be.*


No, Ed, I quoted directly FROM the report that you cited ... Page 17 to be precise. As I said, you need to actually read the whole thing ...

Blackblade[_2_] January 20th 14 02:36 PM

The Joys & Pleasures of Cycling on Trails
 

But hey, why not send them a few of my posts since of course


that forum would never accept a message from such a Great Soul as

Myself. You

will find out they will not accept a post from you either if you

depart from the

orthodoxy. Talk about echoes in a chamber, that group is it for sure!

If you

identify with any of those poor misguided slobs, you are lost and gone

to

Hell!


Could that be because you are a monomaniacal, logically challenged

individual with massive delusions of grandeur who frequently spouts unsupported
nonsense and won't retract even when blatantly caught out ?

The kind of groups you support would never in a million years
run any post of mine. They are advocacy groups for mountain biking. If you
weren't such a biased idiot, you would clearly see that ... and acknowledge it.
The only one who is caught out is yourself.


Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-)

Blackblade[_2_] January 20th 14 02:39 PM

The Joys & Pleasures of Cycling on Trails
 

We all know what kind of mountain bikers take risks with life
and limb. They are invariably young and male ... and then like to gloat about
how seriously they were injured. The only cure for what ails them is death and
the sooner the better. Most mountain bikers are not aware of how dangerous their
sport is nor is the community at large, other than doctors and the ER
personnel.


Ed, you're a dinosaur. This is the 21st century and men and women of all ages ride; and occasionally fall off and hurt themselves.

You poor stupid sap! It is actually criminal to encourage
women and kids to mountain bike on a hiking trail.* Women and kids do not
have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. It is why
they injure themselves just trying to ride such a trail normally without
attempting feats of daredevilry like the young males. What planet are you from
anyway?


Are you seriously suggesting that an intelligent, adult woman is unable to make up her own mind as to the risks ?

Blackblade[_2_] January 20th 14 02:43 PM

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You obviously have no acquaintance with Great Saints, let
alone anyone Great. It is a common condition of dwarfs and midgets like
you.


Ah, hubris.

I've never met a great saint; no, you don't qualify.

The only sad and twisted men I know about are mountain bikers
who ride their bikes on hiking trails. Fortunately, most of them get their
deserved rewards in the way of injuries and death. Almost makes me think there
is some justice in the world after all.


Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled. So, much safer than driving.


EdwardDolan January 30th 14 04:49 AM

The Joys & Pleasures of Cycling on Trails
 
"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Edward Dolan wrote:

You obviously have no acquaintance with Great Saints, let
alone anyone Great. It is a common condition of dwarfs and midgets like
you.


Ah, hubris.


I've never met a great saint; no, you don't qualify.


Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no ordinary saint.

The only sad and twisted men I know about are mountain bikers
who ride their bikes on hiking trails. Fortunately, most of them get their
deserved rewards in the way of injuries and death. Almost makes me think there
is some justice in the world after all.


Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled. So, much safer than driving.


You are quite right about driving being about the most dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of injuries. Is that your idea of recreation – to be risking life and limb?

More from the trenches:

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/te...isle-1.1112471

Teen mountain biker airlifted after crashing into tree

Published at 17:25, Saturday, 25 January 2014

A youth who crashed into a tree while mountain biking was flown to
hospital by air ambulance.

The 17-year-old, from the Carlisle area, was said to be stable on
arrival at the city's Cumberland Infirmary.

He had been riding alongside the river Eden, close to Wetheral, when
the collision happened in woodland early this afternoon.

He suffered non life-threatening leg, head and arm injuries.

Emergency services, including the air ambulance, North West
ambulance, Cumbria fire and rescue and Penrith Mountain Rescue Team,
were called to help the teenager.

He was treated at the scene by an air ambulance doctor and paramedics
before being airlifted by the Pride of Cumbria helicopter to hospital.”

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



EdwardDolan January 30th 14 04:54 AM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Edward Dolan wrote:

The report I cited only mentioned mountain biking, not BMX and
road biking. You need to slow down and think before you post. Mountain biking
was much less than hiking. Always has been and always will be.


No, Ed, I quoted directly FROM the report that you cited ... Page 17 to be precise. As I said, you need to actually read the whole thing ...


What difference does it make (to quote our illustrious Hillary)? BMX and road biking have nothing to do with our issue.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

EdwardDolan January 30th 14 04:58 AM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-)


I read the pertinent parts. Only idiots read entire reports that are beside the issue.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

EdwardDolan January 30th 14 05:14 AM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Edward Dolan wrote:

We all know what kind of mountain bikers take risks with life
and limb. They are invariably young and male ... and then like to gloat about
how seriously they were injured. The only cure for what ails them is death and
the sooner the better. Most mountain bikers are not aware of how dangerous their
sport is nor is the community at large, other than doctors and the ER
personnel.


Ed, you're a dinosaur. This is the 21st century and men and women of all ages ride; and occasionally fall off and hurt themselves.


Reports from the field refute entirely your assessment of how dangerous cycling is on hiking trails.

You poor stupid sap! It is actually criminal to encourage
women and kids to mountain bike on a hiking trail. Women and kids do not
have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. It is why
they injure themselves just trying to ride such a trail normally without
attempting feats of daredevilry like the young males. What planet are you from
anyway?


Are you seriously suggesting that an intelligent, adult woman is unable to make up her own mind as to the risks ?


Yes, when the propaganda is as one sided as it is. They simply know any better. Males will risk life and limb for an adrenalin rush. They are extremely stupid for doing that. Women and kids are not constituted that stupidly. They think biking on a hiking trail is a safe thing to do and it is anything but!

More from the trenches:

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/mount...crash/5/179390

Mountain biker airlifted following crash

Fuseworks Media
Monday, 20 January, 2014 - 16:54

This afternoon (20th Jan) at approx 2.45pm the Nelson Marlborough
Rescue Helicopter was dispatched to the scene of a mountain bike
crash near Dunn Mountain, on the Coppermine Saddle, East of Nelson.

A 48 year old Auckland man out riding with his son, sustained a
shoulder injury as a result of the crash. He was assessed by the
helicopters onboard intensive care paramedic before he and his son
were flown to Nelson Hospital.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



Blackblade[_2_] January 31st 14 11:14 AM

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On Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:54:25 UTC, Edward Dolan wrote:
"Blackblade"* wrote in message ...


*

Edward Dolan wrote:

*

The report I cited only mentioned mountain biking, not BMX and


road biking. You need to slow down and think before you post. Mountain

biking

was much less than hiking. Always has been and always will be.*



*

No, Ed, I quoted directly FROM the report that you cited ... Page

17 to be precise.* As I said, you need to actually read the whole thing
...

*

What difference does it make (to quote our illustrious
Hillary)? BMX and road biking have nothing to do with our issue.


The difference Ed is that you were trying to be misleading ... by selectively quoting very small parts of quite a long report. So, no, the report YOU MENTIONED does not just include Mountain Biking. It includes a whole bunch of information.

Blackblade[_2_] January 31st 14 11:16 AM

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Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not
bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-)

I read the pertinent parts. Only idiots read entire reports
that are beside the issue.


And how, do tell me, are you going to figure out what is pertinent unless you bother to read it ? I would have thought that was obvious.

It's very clear that all you did was skim read to the parts that you thought supported your argument and ignored the rest ... blissfully unaware that the report, overall, doesn't support your positions at all.

Is both funny and rather pathetic at the same time.

Blackblade[_2_] January 31st 14 11:20 AM

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I've never met a great saint; no, you don't
qualify.

Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably
know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no
ordinary saint.


You possess none of the attributes of a saint ...

Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data

provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled.
So, much safer than driving.

You are quite right about driving being about the most
dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite
dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of
injuries. Is that your idea of recreation - to be risking life and
limb?


Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid.

As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so.

EdwardDolan February 1st 14 10:26 PM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

I've never met a great saint; no, you don't

qualify.


Edward Dolan wrote:

Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably
know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no
ordinary saint.


You possess none of the attributes of a saint ...


I think you no doubt met to say I possess ALL of the attributes of a Great Saint. No need to be embarrassed, We all make mistakes.

Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data

provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled.
So, much safer than driving.

You are quite right about driving being about the most
dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite
dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of
injuries. Is that your idea of recreation - to be risking life and
limb?


Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid.


As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so.


If you are knowledgeable about the risks that is one thing, but most folks are NOT knowledgeable. It is a crime to be promoting mountain biking on hiking trails without full knowledge of how dangerous it is.

By the way, if you were to suffer a really serious injury, one that left you paralyzed for example, I doubt that you would think it was worth it. Price to be paid – indeed!

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



EdwardDolan February 1st 14 10:46 PM

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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message ...

Blackblade considered Fri, 31 Jan 2014
03:20:33 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:

I've never met a great saint; no, you don't

qualify.

Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably
know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no
ordinary saint.


You possess none of the attributes of a saint ...


I wouldn't go that far - he IS dead, at least from the neck up.


Better to be dead from the neck up than totally dead – which is what happens to many mountain bikers who take foolish risks by riding their bikes on hiking trails. Some such mountain bikers deserve to die on the trails because they are willfully ignorant of the danger, but others don’t. In fact, most mountain bikers simply don’t know any better about how dangerous it is to ride their bikes on hiking trails. Frankly, I feel sorry for them – especially for women and kids who don’t have a clue.

Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data

provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled.
So, much safer than driving.

You are quite right about driving being about the most
dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite
dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of
injuries. Is that your idea of recreation - to be risking life and
limb?


Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid.

As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so.


Particularly since the level of risk is determined entirely by you.


No one, not even very expert mountain bikers, entirely know what they are doing when they ride their bikes on hiking trails. Why is that? It is because hiking trails are designed for walking, whether humans walking or horses walking. They are not designed for wheels. It is why cyclists need their own trails specially designed for wheels ... and need to stay the hell off of trails for hikers and equestrians.

More bad news from the trenches:

http://www.bicycleretailer.com/retai...s#.UsInhp3TnIU

Mid-Atlantic trails advocate and racer Scott Scudamore dies

Published December 30, 2013
by BRAIN Staff

CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA (BRAIN) * Scott Scudamore, a
mountain bike athlete, advocate, event organizer
and retail store employee, died Dec. 28 from
complications from a mountain bike accident he suffered in September.

Scudamore was retired from a 20-year Air Force
career and 21 years with Hewlett Packard. Besides
being active in the Mid Atlantic Off-Road
Enthusiasts (MORE), he worked part-time at Blue
Ridge Cyclery in Charlottesville and was a member
of IMBA's Regional Leadership Advisory Council.
He competed in triathlons and XTERRA events.

On Sept. 22, Scudamore crashed while mountain
biking with his wife, son-in-law, granddaughter
and other friends at Bryce Mountain ski resort in
Basye, Virginia. The crash left him paralyzed
below his neck. Although he made progress in
rehab in the fall, in recent weeks he struggled
with infection, delirium, and ultimately
pneumonia, according to a note left by his family
on Scudfries.org, a website set up to support him following the crash.

The family said there be two viewings at Thacker
Brothers Lake Monticello Funeral Home in Palmyra,
Virginia. The first will be Friday from 6-8 p.m.
The second will be Saturday, from 9 a.m – noon.

A funeral service will follow the viewing on
Saturday at 3 p.m. at Grace And Glory Lutheran
Church (683 Thomas Jefferson Parkway, Palmyra, Virginia.)

In lieu of flowers the Scudamores asked friends
to donate to one of Scudamore's favorite
charities, Trails for Youth or the Lake Monticello Volunteer Rescue Squad.”


Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



EdwardDolan February 1st 14 10:58 PM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

What difference does it make (to quote our illustrious
Hillary)? BMX and road biking have nothing to do with our issue.


The difference Ed is that you were trying to be misleading ... by selectively quoting very small parts of quite a long report. So, no, the report YOU MENTIONED does not just include Mountain Biking. It includes a whole bunch of information.


I only focused on the part comparing mountain biking with hiking. None of the rest of the crap there interested me. The only one here who is attempting to mislead is you. Try to keep your focus on the issue that is under discussion ... which is that mountain biking can’t compare to hiking in terms of popularity. Mountain biking ranked low on the list.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great


EdwardDolan February 1st 14 11:09 PM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not

bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-)


Edward Dolan wrote:

I read the pertinent parts. Only idiots read entire reports
that are beside the issue.


And how, do tell me, are you going to figure out what is pertinent unless you bother to read it ? I would have thought that was obvious.


It's very clear that all you did was skim read to the parts that you thought supported your argument and ignored the rest ... blissfully unaware that the report, overall, doesn't support your positions at all.


Is both funny and rather pathetic at the same time.


Mountain biking ranked low on the list compared to hiking in terms of popularity. That is all I was interested in.

You remind me of a bulldog that gets hold of some little thing, however irrelevant, and then wants to hang onto it forever. Notice how I move on, never stumbling over stuff that doesn’t matter.

Where are we right now on this thread? I am proving that mountain biking is not as popular as you think it is and it is also far more dangerous then you think it is. That is the subject of this thread – the so-called “joys & pleasures”, or is satire wasted on you?

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



EdwardDolan February 1st 14 11:34 PM

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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message ...

Blackblade considered Fri, 31 Jan 2014
03:16:32 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:

Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not

bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-)

I read the pertinent parts. Only idiots read entire reports
that are beside the issue.


And how, do tell me, are you going to figure out what is pertinent unless you bother to read it ? I would have thought that was obvious.


He probably used a search engine to find any report or subsection of a

report that makes mention of "conflict", then cut & pasted it - no
mental activity required or utilised.

I am way too lazy to even do that little. Nope, I am just uploading parts of newsletters I get via email from the hiking community. I am at the stage of life now where I never look up anything. **** it ... if I don’t already know it, then it is not worth knowing!

It's very clear that all you did was skim read to the parts that you thought supported your argument and ignored the rest ... blissfully unaware that the report, overall, doesn't support your positions at all.

Is both funny and rather pathetic at the same time.


It's so pathetic that it only acts to weaken the position he claims to

support.

No one here knows what the two of you are blathering about, least of all me.

And at least while he's playing keyboard warrior on here, he's not out

emulating his hero and indulging in criminal acts, even if he supports
them.

For someone who is so concerned about libel you show a lot of disregard for your own skin. I would be careful about labeling others criminal when in fact what you are doing might be construed by some as criminal.

But here is your true criminality being committed everywhere daily by your favorite group of miscreants – mountain bikers:

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/san...legal-mountain

Panel at UC Santa Cruz to address illegal mountain biking

By Kara Guzman

Santa Cruz Sentinel
Posted: 01/27/2014 07:16:12 PM PST

Mountain biker Sean Andrasik poses by a water tank on UCSC's upper
campus, where biking... ( SCS )

SANTA CRUZ -- UC Santa Cruz's upper campus is home to world-famous
mountain biking trails. The problem is they aren't legal.

Biking is allowed on campus fire roads, but single-track trails are
off-limits. Despite the ban, the trails attract an estimated 1,000
riders per week, said Drew Perkins, trail officer for Mountain Bikers
of Santa Cruz, an advocacy group.

Perkins will be part of a panel of bikers and UCSC students, faculty
and staff to discuss trail use and environmental impacts at 6 p.m.
Wednesday at the Stevenson Event Center at UCSC's Stevenson College.

UCSC has done little to enforce the rule. However, the trails connect
to Henry Cowell State Park and Pogonip, where single-track biking is
largely illegal, and riders have been ticketed along Highway 9, Perkins said.

The illegal status prevents trail maintenance, which increases
bikers' environmental impact. For example, when a tree falls across a
trail, instead of clearing the path, bikers create another route, he said.

"The trails just kind of happen, where whoever initially cut them
decided they wanted to go," Perkins said.

Upper campus includes the 409-acre Campus Natural Reserve used for
teaching and research. Mountain biking in the reserve is not
compatible with the campus' values of conservation and stewardship,
said Alex Jones, campus natural reserve steward.

"Many of these trails are on steep slopes and sandy loam soils, which
has contributed to significant erosion and soil loss," Jones said.

Tim Duane, a UCSC environmental engineering professor, helped study
the effects of mountain biking on the endangered Ohlone tiger beetle,
which is found only in the upper campus and nearby Wilder Ranch.

Fast bikers harm the beetle population, he said, but slowing in
certain areas greatly decreases impact. When bikers knew of their
potential impact, they were willing to change, he said, nothing the
key is to provide an alternative.

"Basically if there's a complete ban on biking, bikers tend not to
understand why and they tend to ignore all restrictions," Duane said.

The status quo is not ideal, said Eric Johnson, founder of
Hilltromper, a website about the Santa Cruz outdoors.

"I think in the long run, things aren't going to last like this,"
Johnson said. "At some point, we could lose this incredible resource
if we don't treat it with respect."

Johnson, who will moderate Wednesday's panel, said parties are
nowhere near finding a solution, but he hopes to start a discussion.”

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



Blackblade[_2_] February 3rd 14 02:06 PM

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Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to
be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then
I view it philosophically as the price to be paid.

As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so.


If you are knowledgeable about the risks that is one thing,
but most folks are NOT knowledgeable. It is a crime to be promoting mountain
biking on hiking trails without full knowledge of how dangerous it
is.

By the way, if you were to suffer a really serious injury, one
that left you paralyzed for example, I doubt that you would think it was worth
it. Price to be paid - indeed!


Well, clearly, you DON'T understand risk either or you would not have written this.

It is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that such a fate will befall me ... but not impossible. If you live your life based on worrying about extremely unlikely events then you will end up doing a Howard Hughes and never leaving your house..

However, since the odds of killing or disabling yourself whilst walking down the stairs or taking a shower are also unlikely, but not zero, even there you are not safe.

Mountain biking, measured against other risks, is not at the top of the risk tree ... but it's not at the bottom either. Pay your money and take your choice. As I also enjoy extreme skiing and motorcycle racing I take it you can guess where I draw the line.

EdwardDolan February 4th 14 12:04 AM

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"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to

be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then
I view it philosophically as the price to be paid.

As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so.


Edward Dolan wrote:

If you are knowledgeable about the risks that is one thing,
but most folks are NOT knowledgeable. It is a crime to be promoting mountain
biking on hiking trails without full knowledge of how dangerous it
is.

By the way, if you were to suffer a really serious injury, one
that left you paralyzed for example, I doubt that you would think it was worth
it. Price to be paid - indeed!


Well, clearly, you DON'T understand risk either or you would not have written this.


It is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that such a fate will befall me ... but not impossible. If you live your life based on worrying about extremely unlikely events then you will end up doing a Howard Hughes and never leaving your house.


It is not as unlikely as you think it is. Helmets will not protect you from a paralyzing injury. Bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails will hit something and go over the handlebars. It is not rare for this to happen. How you land will determine how serious your injuries will be. Why risk any of this?

However, since the odds of killing or disabling yourself whilst walking down the stairs or taking a shower are also unlikely, but not zero, even there you are not safe.


Hikers walking a trail are not in much danger of killing or injuring themselves whereas bikers who do what they do on trails are. Very odd that you would argue anything to the contrary.

Mountain biking, measured against other risks, is not at the top of the risk tree ... but it's not at the bottom either. Pay your money and take your choice. As I also enjoy extreme skiing and motorcycle racing I take it you can guess where I draw the line.


You are risking life and limb doing dangerous things. When the inevitable happens you will have nothing but second thoughts about the risk taking. It is entirely possible to enjoy what the outdoors has to offer without doing anything foolish. I enjoy trekking, but I would never for a moment consider any kind of climbing. Why? It is dangerous and doesn't add to my enjoyment of trekking. Adrenalin rushes are strictly for idiots.

Now that I have got you down for an idiot, at least have the good sense and common decency not to recommend that others go and do what you do. I never do anything that I would not recommend to others. Just part of being a Great Saint!

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



EdwardDolan February 4th 14 05:20 AM

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Lest any of the remaining numbskulls and other assorted idiots still left on this desultory newsgroup (Blackblade and Phil W Lee) forget what the Great Michael Vandeman has taught us from our infancy, let us review what he has told us from the beginning:
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/permit.html

Why in the world would you want to advertize Minnesota State Parks
with a photo of someone practicing an environmentally destructive sport???

Bicycles should not be allowed in any natural area. They are
inanimate objects and have no rights. There is also no right to
mountain bike. That was settled in federal court in 1996:
http://mjvande.nfshost.com/mtb10.htm . It's dishonest of mountain
bikers to say that they don't have access to trails closed to bikes.
They have EXACTLY the same access as everyone else -- ON FOOT! Why
isn't that good enough for mountain bikers? They are all capable of walking....

A favorite myth of mountain bikers is that mountain biking is no more
harmful to wildlife, people, and the environment than hiking, and
that science supports that view. Of course, it's not true. To settle
the matter once and for all, I read all of the research they cited,
and wrote a review of the research on mountain biking impacts (see
http://mjvande.nfshost.com/scb7.htm ). I found that of the seven
studies they cited, (1) all were written by mountain bikers, and (2)
in every case, the authors misinterpreted their own data, in order to
come to the conclusion that they favored. They also studiously
avoided mentioning another scientific study (Wisdom et al) which did
not favor mountain biking, and came to the opposite conclusions.

Those were all experimental studies. Two other studies (by White et
al and by Jeff Marion) used a survey design, which is inherently
incapable of answering that question (comparing hiking with mountain
biking). I only mention them because mountain bikers often cite them,
but scientifically, they are worthless.

Mountain biking accelerates erosion, creates V-shaped ruts, kills
small animals and plants on and next to the trail, drives wildlife
and other trail users out of the area, and, worst of all, teaches
kids that the rough treatment of nature is okay (it's NOT!). What's
good about THAT?

To see exactly what harm mountain biking does to the land, watch this
5-minute video: http://vimeo.com/48784297.

In addition to all of this, it is extremely dangerous:
http://mjvande.nfshost.com/mtb_dangerous.htm .”

Anyone who wants to dispute any of this needs to go to the links furnished and read for themselves what the facts are. Useless blather about how mountain biking does not conflict with other trail users and does no damage only marks you as the worthless liars and bums that you are.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



John B.[_3_] February 4th 14 12:07 PM

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On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 23:20:19 -0600, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

Lest any of the remaining numbskulls and other assorted idiots still left on this desultory newsgroup (Blackblade and Phil W Lee) forget what the Great Michael Vandeman has taught us from our infancy, let us review what he has told us from the beginning:
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/permit.html

Anyone who wants to dispute any of this needs to go to the links furnished and read for themselves what the facts are. Useless blather about how mountain biking does not conflict with other trail users and does no damage only marks you as the worthless liars and bums that you are.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. Whats the matter? Cant walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



Ah Yes. Mr. Blackblade and Mr. Phil W Lee are here posting their
logical, well thought out remarks and the Sainted Dolan has nothing to
say and so posts the remarks of a convicted criminal in response.

It really says something for Dolan's ability to debate the point in
question, or more bluntly, his inability to reply logically.

In short we have a situation where one side posts logical statements
while the other side simply repeats their bigoted comments and in
justification posts the remarks of a convicted criminal.

One might even say, using the vernacular, we got the rational chaps on
one side and a horse's ass on the other.

You'll need to change your signature to Dobbin Dolan.
--
Cheers,

John B.

EdwardDolan February 5th 14 01:09 AM

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"John B." wrote in message ...

On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 23:20:19 -0600, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

Lest any of the remaining numbskulls and other assorted idiots still left on this desultory newsgroup (Blackblade and Phil W Lee) forget what the Great Michael Vandeman has taught us from our infancy, let us review what he has told us from the beginning:

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/permit.html

Anyone who wants to dispute any of this needs to go to the links furnished and read for themselves what the facts are. Useless blather about how mountain biking does not conflict with other trail users and does no damage only marks you as the worthless liars and bums that you are.


Ah Yes. Mr. Blackblade and Mr. Phil W Lee are here posting their

logical, well thought out remarks and the Sainted Dolan has nothing to
say and so posts the remarks of a convicted criminal in response.

Mr. Vandeman is a Saint almost on my level. But more to the point he is the world’s foremost expert on the impact of mountain biking on trails. But he is too much the gentleman to suit me. Nope, I got to call out the biker louts as I see them. There is no point in being a gentleman with thugs and hooligans.

It really says something for Dolan's ability to debate the point in

question, or more bluntly, his inability to reply logically.

Every point brought up by anyone has been resolutely refuted. I have even gone to the extra effect of name calling, the one thing that ALL mountain bikers understand to perfection since that is their chief modus operandi.

In short we have a situation where one side posts logical statements

while the other side simply repeats their bigoted comments and in
justification posts the remarks of a convicted criminal.

I have seen nothing posted on this newsgroup (other than my own sacred words of course) that has not been self-serving in the extreme. Logical statements? Surely you jest! Unless and until you get serious I suggest you spend your time more profitably by ****ign yourself. Anyone who calls someone a bigot (the favorite bad word of liberal assholes) deserves a good ****!

One might even say, using the vernacular, we got the rational chaps on

one side and a horse's ass on the other.

Using the vernacular, we have got nothing but assholes on one side and a Great Saint on the other.

You'll need to change your signature to Dobbin Dolan.


If my signature serves the purpose of ****ign you off, I have got it exactly right!

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great




EdwardDolan February 5th 14 01:27 AM

The Joys & Pleasures of Cycling on Trails
 
More bad news from the trenches, something that blackblade, Phil W Lee and John B will not enjoy reading. It of course only confirms what I have been saying from day one, namely, that cycling on trails is a conflict with other trail users. Only the self-serving terminally stupid would claim otherwise.
http://www.denverpost.com/lipsher/ci...#ixzz2sE2qwT62

Lipsher: Conflicts grow over biking in the mountains

By Steve Lipsher
Posted: 02/02/2014 05:00:00 PM MST

Land managers in Colorado have been unable to
keep up with the evolving uses and demands like
biking of mountain trails, writes Steve Lipsher.
(Hyoung Chang, The Denver Post)

Mountain bikers philosophically have been more
aligned with hikers, cross-country skiers and
other "quiet use" types than with snowmobilers, dirt bikers and ATV riders.

But increasingly, the two-wheeled folks are
becoming embroiled in conflicts with other trail
users, and bikers now are finding themselves on
the other side of the philosophical divide and
risking alienating traditional allies.

From a long, unflattering history of creating
illegal, unsustainable trails to a new trend *
winter "fat" bikes that compete with skiers and
snowshoers on snow-covered trails * biking now
represents an intrusive activity that affects others in the woods.

Go to any online outdoor forum these days, and
you'll see lots of chatter about the
compatibility of bikes and other activities,
ranging from allowing bikes on trails in national
parks to whether battery-assisted bikes belong,
well, anywhere. (In Boulder, two distinct camps
have formed over allowing the new breed of
electric moped to share the paved bike paths.)

And the fiercest debate today is over whether the
new breed of winter bikes * which rely on
bulbous, low-pressure tires to float over the
snow * belong on the trails. The fear is they
will gouge out ruts in soft snow, making the skiing treacherous.

On MTBR, a popular mountain-biking chat site,
writers discussed whether fat bikes should be
allowed on specifically groomed cross-country ski
trails, which already prohibit hikers for the sake of keeping the track smooth.

"I tried to ride on a groomed trail once in
Wyoming," wrote one biker. "It was on public open
space land, and the trail was probably 40 inches
wide. I actually thought I was going to be
lynched. I got on my bike in the parking lot and
was surrounded by a bunch of XC skiers. They were
actually shouting two inches from my face."

"Skiers are a testy, testy bunch. Avoid them at all costs," wrote another.

But even in sticking to multi-use trails on
public lands that officially are open to all
users, "fat bikers" are encountering hostility
from unsuspecting snowshoers and skiers, similar
to the complaints that hikers have expressed in
the summer when bikers swarm past on their favorite treks.

Communities, public-lands agencies and user
groups now are grappling with how to keep peace
among the different interests. In Aspen, fat
bikes for the first time this winter are being
allowed on Pitkin County open space groomed by
the Aspen Snowmass Nordic Council as a trial run.
Two years ago, Idaho started hosting a "fat bike
summit" that brings land managers and bikers
together to discuss ways of alleviating
conflicts. And the International Mountain Biking
Association is imploring its members to be sure
that fat bikes are permitted on the lands where they want to ride.

Because the number of fat bikes is doubling every
year, doing nothing is no longer an option, and
some regulation is needed. The problem is that
land managers have been unable to keep up with the evolving uses and demands.

The U.S. Forest Service was slow to recognize the
explosion of summertime mountain biking in the
1980s, and the ensuing user conflicts and braids
of illegal, poorly designed user-created trails
created a management nightmare. Similarly, ATVs
have intruded into untrammeled places, forever altering their character.

Many of those routes have grown so popular that
forest managers begrudgingly have been forced to
include them in their updated trail networks.

Another issue is that bikers, as well as many
other groups, always are looking to expand their
territory, threatening to change the nature of ... well, nature.

This time, it's fat bikes. Next, powered bikes.
Before that, mountain boards. Every new fad and
craze competes for more space, resources,
management on the trail, and each creates its own
bitter divisions on who belongs.”

Since it seems I am now the only one on this newsgroup posting any content, I will treat with appropriate scorn any responders who do not also post some content. Name calling does not work with me as I just love to name call myself. It is part of being a Great Saint.

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great



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