my fixie doesn't need improvement
On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 4:45:57 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2018 8:04 PM, John B. wrote: So, one might say that for riding in hilly terrain the STI shifters are mandatory for success while if riding on level ground are far less important. Even in hilly terrain, STI is not mandatory for non-competitive success. I've crossed the Appalachians with friction shifting. People succeeded in riding in hilly terrain even before there were derailleurs, let alone STI. -- - Frank Krygowski Frank, like Jay already said nothing is mandatory and it is OK with me people using friction DT shifters for whatever reason but unreliabity of STI/Ergo's or quicker shifting of DT friction shifters can't be the reason. For me STI/Ergo, clipless pedals, 9/10/11 speed and modern cycling clothes made my riding much more pleasant. YMMV.. Lou |
my fixie doesn't need improvement
On 19/02/2018 12:14 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:45:57 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/18/2018 8:04 PM, John B. wrote: So, one might say that for riding in hilly terrain the STI shifters are mandatory for success while if riding on level ground are far less important. Even in hilly terrain, STI is not mandatory for non-competitive success. I've crossed the Appalachians with friction shifting. People succeeded in riding in hilly terrain even before there were derailleurs, let alone STI. Nothing is mandatory. I've crossed all the major mountain ranges with friction shifters, too. I just prefer STI. And I would say that it would be handicap to race without them. Not a follower of Ned Ludd I see. I haven't raced in a long time except a few time trials but wouldn't go back to friction shifters. Toe clips either. The fact that we got by without new tech isn't a reason to avoid new tech if it works. |
my fixie doesn't need improvement
On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 2:01:19 PM UTC+1, duane wrote:
On 19/02/2018 12:14 AM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:45:57 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/18/2018 8:04 PM, John B. wrote: So, one might say that for riding in hilly terrain the STI shifters are mandatory for success while if riding on level ground are far less important. Even in hilly terrain, STI is not mandatory for non-competitive success. I've crossed the Appalachians with friction shifting. People succeeded in riding in hilly terrain even before there were derailleurs, let alone STI. Nothing is mandatory. I've crossed all the major mountain ranges with friction shifters, too. I just prefer STI. And I would say that it would be handicap to race without them. Not a follower of Ned Ludd I see. I haven't raced in a long time except a few time trials but wouldn't go back to friction shifters. Toe clips either. The fact that we got by without new tech isn't a reason to avoid new tech if it works. STI/Ergo new tech? It is 30 years old! Lou |
my fixie doesn't need improvement
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 11:32:00 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:14:44 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:45:57 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/18/2018 8:04 PM, John B. wrote: So, one might say that for riding in hilly terrain the STI shifters are mandatory for success while if riding on level ground are far less important. Even in hilly terrain, STI is not mandatory for non-competitive success. I've crossed the Appalachians with friction shifting. People succeeded in riding in hilly terrain even before there were derailleurs, let alone STI. Nothing is mandatory. I've crossed all the major mountain ranges with friction shifters, too. I just prefer STI. And I would say that it would be handicap to race without them. BTW, I would have used the old brake hose to pull the new, but the meth-heads pulled the old tube. Why? Who knows. The thief or an associate cut the tube at the bars, took the rear caliper and yanked the tube out of the frame. The grommets are lost, and by pulling out the hose, the thief left the foam outer hose (a foam sleeve that keeps the hose from rattling) inside the frame. I had to fish that out with my Harbor Freight dental tool. -- Jay Beattie. Boy, these modern bikes sound complex. I don't have any pipes or tubes but my cable (1) just tie to the top tube :-) -- Cheers, John B. Look at it this way, modern bikes allow you to develop your electrical and plumbing skills -- not just simple mechanical skills. I replaced the stolen (now returned) Roubaix with a Synapse, and since I got it on a crash-replacement deal and had insurance dollars, I totally splurged and got Ultegra Di2. Electric is nice, but I don't like it as much as my cohorts -- who are effusive. Learning new levers always takes me a while because I ride every day during the week on old STI. Anyway, I went out for a muddy ride last week, threw the bike on the washstand and was doing my usual routine with a brush in the cassettes, turning the crank, and I dragged the rear wire into the cassettes and tore it up. GD! It's $16 for a cable run to the junction, and a PITA to fish the wire through the chain stay and the junction out of the downtube through the BB. So, since there is a bunch of redundant wire, I just pulled a little out, cut it back, soldered it together and did a tidy shrink-tube job, and it works like a charm. I did get a new wire to have around, though, and I may throw it in one day. But it was odd getting out the electrical tool box for the bike. What's next? Drywall? Di2 is nice, and I have no worry about batteries going dead, but it is a luxury I can live without. It is not game-changing in the same way as STI/Ergo except for those people who can use the remote switch for sprinting or tri or what-have-you. It also allows programming and software updating, etc., which is fine for the Garmin set, but I've run out of brain cells for learning new technology, or I'm running low. -- Jay Beattie. |
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my fixie doesn't need improvement
On 2/19/2018 2:34 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 22:45:55 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/18/2018 8:04 PM, John B. wrote: So, one might say that for riding in hilly terrain the STI shifters are mandatory for success while if riding on level ground are far less important. Even in hilly terrain, STI is not mandatory for non-competitive success. I've crossed the Appalachians with friction shifting. People succeeded in riding in hilly terrain even before there were derailleurs, let alone STI. But my experience was that we pushed up a lot of the hills :-) I know guys who love climbing hills. They enjoy the challenge. I was never a hill lover, but I guess I climbed well enough. My personal challenge was, and still is, to never dismount and push. On our coast-to-coast trip, my wife and daughter walked a couple hills but I never did. In fact, in my first 40 years of riding I can remember only two times I pushed up a hill. One was on a tandem ride in very hilly Amish country in summer, riding with friends on another tandem. Steep hills (certainly over 10% grade), very hot weather and sticky tar pavement combined to make us push. The other incident was a solo camping trip, climbing out of a valley on a gravel road. I could have handled the steep grade, but the gravel gave so little traction I couldn't keep going. Now last fall, I explored a new route and hit a climb that was about 17% to 18% by the little inclinometer on my handlebar. I was in my granny gear and standing, and my legs were yelling at me. But I made it. That's using friction bar-end shifters. -- - Frank Krygowski |
my fixie doesn't need improvement
On 2/19/2018 10:24 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Di2 is nice, and I have no worry about batteries going dead, but it is a luxury I can live without. It is not game-changing in the same way as STI/Ergo except for those people who can use the remote switch for sprinting or tri or what-have-you. It also allows programming and software updating, etc., which is fine for the Garmin set, but I've run out of brain cells for learning new technology, or I'm running low. I'm not part of the Garmin set. But I'm getting more and more bothered by the "soft" aspect of software. What I mean is, with anything from word processing to computer drafting to music notation software to smart phone apps to even a weather predicting web page, I have to deal with "updates" and "improvements." So the look and feel changes. Or what was once in this menu is now in some other menu. Or the steps I took to make something happen no longer work, and the "help" file hasn't been updated to tell me the alternative. This is bad enough on stuff I use regularly. On things I would do only rarely (like fine tuning shift parameters on a Di2 system) it can be really frustrating. One you learn to use a ratchet wrench, you always know how to use a ratchet wrench. I wish software was like that. -- - Frank Krygowski |
my fixie doesn't need improvement
On 2018-02-18 11:17, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:05:14 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2018-02-17 18:28, John B. wrote: [...] Twist your hand and shift the rear derailer from the smallest cog to the largest and with the same movement the front from the largest to the smallest. Think how many time you shift from the highest gear to the lowest in one fell swoop on your usual Sunday ride :-? Not on my Sunday rides but it does on my weekday ride. I regularly stall the MTB because I can't slam it from high to very low fast enough, unless I know the terrain, am willing to pre-shift before the creek bed and travel accordingly slower. So I try to "beat it" by shifting at the last seconds when I think I'll have just enough time to get through all the gears, with the double-ratcheting that Deore M591 RapidFire allows. It ain't as "rapid fire" as friction. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Never had that problem with friction when in the days when I used my road bike of dirt paths (had to). That's when I wish I had a Rohloff. OTOH 1500 bucks dampens that desire and on a full suspension MTB it would get complicated anyhow. Plus it won't get me the same gear range. The good part is that you can probably find some friction shifters for your MTB in a junk bin at that olde-tyme bike shop in Folsom. Indexed shift levers would also work. However, not very well on an MTB with a hydroformed aluminum frame. Grip shifters on the handlebar are almost as fast but would interfere with the hydraulic brake levers. You can become known on the trail as the friction shifter guy. With the cotton t-shirt and shorts thing, along with the five pound battery, panniers, heart-lung machine, rope, three gallons of water, nail and rock for chain repair, you'll be like the new Road Warrior, challenging the whimps with index shifting. Don't forget the crash-proof 16oz stainless steel thermos with homebrew IPA in there. The rock doesn't have to ride along, it is provided locally. BTW, you might snicker about a rope or leash but that has prevented little Odin from running farther towards a busy thoroughfare where he could have found a gruesome end of his life. He was later picked up by his owner at our house. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
my fixie doesn't need improvement
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my fixie doesn't need improvement
On 19/02/2018 10:24 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 11:32:00 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:14:44 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:45:57 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/18/2018 8:04 PM, John B. wrote: So, one might say that for riding in hilly terrain the STI shifters are mandatory for success while if riding on level ground are far less important. Even in hilly terrain, STI is not mandatory for non-competitive success. I've crossed the Appalachians with friction shifting. People succeeded in riding in hilly terrain even before there were derailleurs, let alone STI. Nothing is mandatory. I've crossed all the major mountain ranges with friction shifters, too. I just prefer STI. And I would say that it would be handicap to race without them. BTW, I would have used the old brake hose to pull the new, but the meth-heads pulled the old tube. Why? Who knows. The thief or an associate cut the tube at the bars, took the rear caliper and yanked the tube out of the frame. The grommets are lost, and by pulling out the hose, the thief left the foam outer hose (a foam sleeve that keeps the hose from rattling) inside the frame. I had to fish that out with my Harbor Freight dental tool. -- Jay Beattie. Boy, these modern bikes sound complex. I don't have any pipes or tubes but my cable (1) just tie to the top tube :-) -- Cheers, John B. Look at it this way, modern bikes allow you to develop your electrical and plumbing skills -- not just simple mechanical skills. I replaced the stolen (now returned) Roubaix with a Synapse, and since I got it on a crash-replacement deal and had insurance dollars, I totally splurged and got Ultegra Di2. Electric is nice, but I don't like it as much as my cohorts -- who are effusive. Learning new levers always takes me a while because I ride every day during the week on old STI. Anyway, I went out for a muddy ride last week, threw the bike on the washstand and was doing my usual routine with a brush in the cassettes, turning the crank, and I dragged the rear wire into the cassettes and tore it up. GD! It's $16 for a cable run to the junction, and a PITA to fish the wire through the chain stay and the junction out of the downtube through the BB. So, since there is a bunch of redundant wire, I just pulled a little out, cut it back, soldered it together and did a tidy shrink-tube job, and it works like a charm. I did get a new wire to have around, though, and I may throw it in one day. But it was odd getting out the electrical tool box for the bike. What's next? Drywall? Di2 is nice, and I have no worry about batteries going dead, but it is a luxury I can live without. It is not game-changing in the same way as STI/Ergo except for those people who can use the remote switch for sprinting or tri or what-have-you. It also allows programming and software updating, etc., which is fine for the Garmin set, but I've run out of brain cells for learning new technology, or I'm running low. The people I know that use Di2 love it. Like Lou says the batteries don't seem to be an issue. One guy hit a dog and went over the bars mucking up his derailleur in the process. He said that the Di2 reset it for him enough to ride home. He was trying to sell everyone on it. For me it's the price point. My bike would have been quite a bit more with Di2. I'll "suffer" with my brifters until the price comes down or my income goes up. |
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