Favorite biking snacks?
 

On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind
chewing a bit.

Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth.


And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual.

A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care
without an insurance plan?
--
cheers,

John B.

Favorite biking snacks?
 

On 5/28/2020 12:42 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind
chewing a bit.

Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth.


And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual.

A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care
without an insurance plan?


In 1965 the ADA opted out of many new government programs,
unlike AMA. Hence there are still reasonably priced cash
dentists. Not so much for MDs.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Favorite biking snacks?
 

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 8:53:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind
chewing a bit.

Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth.


And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan.. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual.

Tom fancies himself a humorist, among many other things -- nuclear scientist, world-renowned epidemiologist, physician, surgeon, economist, diplomat, war hero, etc., etc. Its enough to exhaust Walter Mitty.

Dental insurance is a joke, but yes, I've been buying my own coverage (and family coverage) since 1993, the last time I was a W2 employee.

I like Paydays, but you can inhale peanuts while riding hard, and they're not that easy to digest. And if I'm going to eat a peanut-containing candy bar on the bike, it will be a Snickers. Much higher energy. Food of the Pro Tour. But Donettes are my preferred junk, assuming I run out of jersey food (Cliff Bar, GU pack). If I run out of food riding during the mid-summer, I just eat black berries. They're everywhere in the PNW.

-- Jay Beattie.

Favorite biking snacks?
 

On 5/28/2020 10:52 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 8:53:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind
chewing a bit.

Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth.


And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual.

Tom fancies himself a humorist, among many other things -- nuclear scientist, world-renowned epidemiologist, physician, surgeon, economist, diplomat, war hero, etc., etc. Its enough to exhaust Walter Mitty.

Dental insurance is a joke, but yes, I've been buying my own coverage (and family coverage) since 1993, the last time I was a W2 employee.

I like Paydays, but you can inhale peanuts while riding hard, and they're not that easy to digest. And if I'm going to eat a peanut-containing candy bar on the bike, it will be a Snickers. Much higher energy. Food of the Pro Tour. But Donettes are my preferred junk, assuming I run out of jersey food (Cliff Bar, GU pack). If I run out of food riding during the mid-summer, I just eat black berries. They're everywhere in the PNW.

For a glorious week or so very soon, we should have mulberry trees full
of berries, which are my favorite "found" snack while cycling.

I don't know how common these are in other areas. I once came across a
thicket of them in Iowa, but nowhere else I remember. I've been told
they are more common here because some of our many Italian immigrants
loved them.

An alternative theory is that they're descendants of a mulberry craze in
Connecticut in the early 1800s. Our area was, pre-1776, part of
Connecticut, according to Connecticut's charter. (That was disputed by
Virginia.) The "Connecticut Western Reserve" was retained by that state
for a while when the Northwest Ordinance made Ohio a possibility. So
this area was first settled by folks from Connecticut.

Mulberries are tasty, sweet and very messy. About this time of year I'll
return home from a ride with dark blue stains on my gloves and cycling
shoes.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Favorite biking snacks?
 

John B. writes:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind
chewing a bit.

Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth.


And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He
is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US
income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He
is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have
to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans
available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get
dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a
dental plan as an individual.

A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care
without an insurance plan?

Dental insurance is not a panacea, even fairly good ones pay a small
fraction of major dental expenses. In my experience many USians can't
afford much dental care at all.

Favorite biking snacks?
 

Frank Krygowski writes:

On 5/28/2020 10:52 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 8:53:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:

[...]

I like Paydays, but you can inhale peanuts while riding hard, and
they're not that easy to digest. And if I'm going to eat a
peanut-containing candy bar on the bike, it will be a Snickers. Much
higher energy. Food of the Pro Tour. But Donettes are my preferred
junk, assuming I run out of jersey food (Cliff Bar, GU pack). If I
run out of food riding during the mid-summer, I just eat black
berries. They're everywhere in the PNW.

For a glorious week or so very soon, we should have mulberry trees
full of berries, which are my favorite "found" snack while cycling.

I don't know how common these are in other areas. I once came across a
thicket of them in Iowa, but nowhere else I remember. I've been told
they are more common here because some of our many Italian immigrants
loved them.

An alternative theory is that they're descendants of a mulberry craze
in Connecticut in the early 1800s. Our area was, pre-1776, part of
Connecticut, according to Connecticut's charter. (That was disputed by
Virginia.) The "Connecticut Western Reserve" was retained by that
state for a while when the Northwest Ordinance made Ohio a
possibility. So this area was first settled by folks from Connecticut.

Red mulberries are native to eastern North America, white to China, and
black mulberries to western Asia, where they are a traditional food.
White mulberries were imported in some places to support silkworm
culture. Hybrids are common.

Mulberries are tasty, sweet and very messy. About this time of year
I'll return home from a ride with dark blue stains on my gloves and
cycling shoes.

Lots of mulberry trees and bushes here, they are one of the early
colonizers in disturbed ground. We get berries starting around the
fourth of July. I eat them. I find that Massachusetts mulberries are by
no means as sweet as New Mexico mulberries, but they survive without
irrigation.

Favorite biking snacks?
 

On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 12:42:17 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT
Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth.


And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual.

A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care
without an insurance plan?
--
cheers,

John B.

Yes. Normal dental work, such as cleanings and simple cavities, are sort of low cost. So a person without dental insurance could afford to go to the dentist for usual care. But I suspect no one without insurance goes to the dentist. Unlike medical doctors, there are no emergency rooms for dentists. People without medical insurance turn up at the emergency room for care frequently whether they can pay or not. But with dentists, I don't think they will do dental surgery on you without insurance or the ability to pay.. Unlike medical where if you show up at the emergency room, they will treat you no matter whether you can pay or not.

I have priced dental insurance before. For twice a year cleaning and maintenance care, the cost to pay cash to the dentist is the same price as buying insurance for a whole year. So if you take care of your teeth by brushing, you can more or less eliminate the need for dental insurance. Total cost is still the same since you pay cash for the twice a year cleanings.

Favorite biking snacks?
 

Radey Shouman wrote:
John B. writes:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind
chewing a bit.

Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth.


And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He
is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US
income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He
is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have
to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans
available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get
dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a
dental plan as an individual.

A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care
without an insurance plan?

Dental insurance is not a panacea, even fairly good ones pay a small
fraction of major dental expenses. In my experience many USians can't
afford much dental care at all.


Of course, by definition, your average insurance premiums will exceed your
average claim costs, so if you can’t afford basic dental care without
insurance, you probably can’t afford it with insurance (unless somebody
else is subsidizing your premiums).

Favorite biking snacks?
 

Ralph Barone writes:

Radey Shouman wrote:
John B. writes:

On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind
chewing a bit.

Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth.


And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He
is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US
income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He
is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have
to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans
available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get
dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a
dental plan as an individual.

A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care
without an insurance plan?

Dental insurance is not a panacea, even fairly good ones pay a small
fraction of major dental expenses. In my experience many USians can't
afford much dental care at all.


Of course, by definition, your average insurance premiums will exceed your
average claim costs, so if you can’t afford basic dental care without
insurance, you probably can’t afford it with insurance (unless somebody
else is subsidizing your premiums).

My experience with employer-paid dental insurance was that it paid for
routine cleaning, exams, and so forth, but paid little on expensive
procedures. Seems backwards from what insurance should be.

Favorite biking snacks?
 

On 27/5/20 3:58 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Riffing off the "bonk" thread:

For most of my family's bicycling career (now approaching 50 years) we
took various snacks along on rides greater than 25 miles or so. But
somehow, with changes in life and changes in riding habits, we seem to
have gotten out of that snack habit.

On a couple of recent mid-30 miler rides on country roads, my wife
didn't bonk, but she certainly ran out of steam. During one of them, I
happened to find a gel packet buried in my bag, so I gave her that. It
helped noticeably; so we should get back to carrying snacks.

But I'd prefer something a little more like food, a little less like a
medical infusion. Since we're no longer performance riders, actually
stopping the bike to eat would be OK. even though on solo rides I prefer
to keep moving.

What are people's preferences for on-bike snacks?



Bananas and fruit cake.

--
JS