Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
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Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

On Feb 7, 8:05 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Probably put there by mountain bikers! lol

PMH

Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

On Feb 7, 5:05*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf

Beyond this discussion, Mike, is there any other documentation, or
discussion of the estimated costs for cleanup?

Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

"Mike Vandeman" skrev i en meddelelse
...
http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf


Scaring !!
Ill stay in the woods.....

/t

Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

I would like to direct your attention to the '70s, if I may.

Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming rate,
so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL concerns -- paper
eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment, so let's use plastic
and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments go, and I generally
answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with, "plastic, please."

Now, I am the bad guy again because plastic floats.

Environmentalism comes with a wealth of unintended consequences -- we save a
tree but spoil the water, make electricity from wind but chop up a bird,
(leaping forward a few decades ... ) drive fuel cell cars and flood the side
of the road -- that seem to be worse than the problem we wanted to remedy
when we embarked on the environmentalist agenda.

Having said that, it is refreshing to see Vandeman get excited about a real
issue ...






"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

"Jeff Strickland" wrote in message
news:mQ2rj.79$x%3.71@trnddc06...
I would like to direct your attention to the '70s, if I may.

Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming rate,
so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL concerns --
paper eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment, so let's use
plastic and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments go, and I
generally answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with, "plastic,
please."

Now, I am the bad guy again because plastic floats.

Environmentalism comes with a wealth of unintended consequences -- we save
a tree but spoil the water, make electricity from wind but chop up a bird,
(leaping forward a few decades ... ) drive fuel cell cars and flood the
side of the road -- that seem to be worse than the problem we wanted to
remedy when we embarked on the environmentalist agenda.

Having said that, it is refreshing to see Vandeman get excited about a
real issue ...

Down here in the Sonoran Desert, we blame Messicans for all the plastic bags
blowing free. Some call them Messican Tumbleweeds - even the ones found 250
miles from the border....

Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
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(I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

you could have had a life instead.

Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

"Seth Hammond" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Strickland" wrote in message
news:mQ2rj.79$x%3.71@trnddc06...
I would like to direct your attention to the '70s, if I may.

Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming
rate, so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL
concerns -- paper eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment,
so let's use plastic and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments
go, and I generally answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with,
"plastic, please."

Now, I am the bad guy again because plastic floats.

Environmentalism comes with a wealth of unintended consequences -- we
save a tree but spoil the water, make electricity from wind but chop up a
bird, (leaping forward a few decades ... ) drive fuel cell cars and flood
the side of the road -- that seem to be worse than the problem we wanted
to remedy when we embarked on the environmentalist agenda.

Having said that, it is refreshing to see Vandeman get excited about a
real issue ...

Down here in the Sonoran Desert, we blame Messicans for all the plastic
bags blowing free. Some call them Messican Tumbleweeds - even the ones
found 250 miles from the border....




That's luggage. Well, not luggage per se, but a suitcase. If there are two
from the same store, that's matching luggage. You have yourself a high class
migrant there (with matching suitcases) ...

Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:20:15 -0800 (PST), Bruce Jensen
wrote:

On Feb 7, 5:05*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf

Beyond this discussion, Mike, is there any other documentation, or
discussion of the estimated costs for cleanup?

I don't know, but I'd like to help. I even bought my own trash
picker-upper. Good for picking up things that fall off of mountain
bikes.
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Plastic Floating in the Pacific!
 

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:20:34 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:

I would like to direct your attention to the '70s, if I may.

Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming rate,
so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL concerns -- paper
eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment, so let's use plastic
and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments go, and I generally
answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with, "plastic, please."

Now, I am the bad guy again because plastic floats.

Just like a mountain biker: blame the environmentalists. No one forced
you to use plastic.

Environmentalism comes with a wealth of unintended consequences -- we save a
tree but spoil the water, make electricity from wind but chop up a bird,
(leaping forward a few decades ... ) drive fuel cell cars and flood the side
of the road -- that seem to be worse than the problem we wanted to remedy
when we embarked on the environmentalist agenda.

Having said that, it is refreshing to see Vandeman get excited about a real
issue ...






"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
.. .
http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande