Social distancing
With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close,
it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. Yesterday I came across such a scene where at least one of the chatterers was wearing a face mask. At my speed I gave them every reasonable opportunity to rearrange themselves. Eyes made contact and body language indicated they had seen, recognised, reacted and adjusted to a settled position. After the cue to go past the only other option would have been to stop and argue. Oh well. |
Social distancing
TMS320 wrote:
With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close, it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. I'd go along with that. According to Public Health England, typically spending more than 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person can raise your risk of catching the virus. So if you momentarily brush past someone, especially outdoors, even within the two metres how much of a risk can that realistically pose? The two metre distance we observe is quite generous compared to some other countries, for example, in the US it's 1.8m, in Australia it's 1.5m and in Singapore just 1m. Yesterday I came across such a scene where at least one of the chatterers was wearing a face mask. At my speed I gave them every reasonable opportunity to rearrange themselves. Eyes made contact and body language indicated they had seen, recognised, reacted and adjusted to a settled position. After the cue to go past the only other option would have been to stop and argue. Oh well. |
Social distancing
On 06/06/2020 15:50, Kelly wrote:
TMS320 wrote: With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close, it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. I'd go along with that. According to Public Health England, typically spending more than 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person can raise your risk of catching the virus. So if you momentarily brush past someone, especially outdoors, even within the two metres how much of a risk can that realistically pose? It depends on which way the wind is blowing... But I can't believe normal distancing outdoors is an issue. |
Social distancing
On 06/06/2020 13:07, TMS320 wrote:
With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close, it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I take the same view. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. Yesterday I came across such a scene where at least one of the chatterers was wearing a face mask. One either has to move beyond the 6' mark if there is available width on the footway or any adjacent mown verge, or cross the road, or ask one of the offenders to move to one side so that they may be safely passed. At my speed I gave them every reasonable opportunity to rearrange themselves. Eyes made contact and body language indicated they had seen, recognised, reacted and adjusted to a settled position. After the cue to go past the only other option would have been to stop and argue. Oh well. There's no need to argue. Most people are prepared to move. They're usually only in that position because they've forgotten. |
Social distancing
On 06/06/2020 15:50, Kelly wrote:
TMS320 wrote: With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close, it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. I'd go along with that. According to Public Health England, typically spending more than 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person can raise your risk of catching the virus. So if you momentarily brush past someone, especially outdoors, even within the two metres how much of a risk can that realistically pose? However small, it isn't zero and there is no good reason to take it when it is unnecessary and advised against. The two metre distance we observe is quite generous compared to some other countries, for example, in the US it's 1.8m, in Australia it's 1.5m and in Singapore just 1m. And? Should we take advice of the Singapore or Australian authorities or the UK government? [Do you know Singapore? You'd see why 6' of clearance might not be seen as practical there. My Singaporean friends are amazed at the fact that I can take exercise on nearby farmland. There's none of that available to them.] |
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On 06/06/2020 22:53, TMS320 wrote:
On 06/06/2020 15:50, Kelly wrote: TMS320 wrote: With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close, it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. I'd go along with that.Â* According to Public Health England, typically spending more than 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person can raise your risk of catching the virus.Â* So if you momentarily brush past someone, especially outdoors, even within the two metres how much of a risk can that realistically pose? It depends on which way the wind is blowing... But I can't believe normal distancing outdoors is an issue. You're just a born rebel, aren't you? Too cool for rules and regulations. |
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JNugent wrote:
On 06/06/2020 15:50, Kelly wrote: TMS320 wrote: With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close, it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. I'd go along with that. According to Public Health England, typically spending more than 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person can raise your risk of catching the virus. So if you momentarily brush past someone, especially outdoors, even within the two metres how much of a risk can that realistically pose? However small, it isn't zero and there is no good reason to take it when it is unnecessary and advised against. True. The two metre distance we observe is quite generous compared to some other countries, for example, in the US it's 1.8m, in Australia it's 1.5m and in Singapore just 1m. And? Well, it seems even the experts seem to have trouble agreeing with themselves over what this distance need be. The World Health Organisation has a recommendation that people should put at least one metre between them and someone with corona virus symptoms. Also Australia's experts say that droplet transmission from infected people is limited by the force of expulsion and gravity and is usually no more than one metre. But the UK, along with some other countries, have doubled this distance to two metres. Thus we end up with Australia, as well as countries like Germany, settling between the WHO's 1m guidance and our UK's 2m. Should we take advice of the Singapore or Australian authorities or the UK government? The UK government, but that doesn't mean we can't take note of how other countries are managing the same situation. [Do you know Singapore? You'd see why 6' of clearance might not be seen as practical there. My Singaporean friends are amazed at the fact that I can take exercise on nearby farmland. There's none of that available to them.] Okay - I know virtually nothing of Singapore. I welcome having a 2 metre space around me but wouldn't lose any sleep (hopefully) if someone else broke that with an odd momentary closer encounter. Still I do my utmost not to encroach on other people's expected social distance knowing that some others most definitly don't like it - and understandably so. |
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On 07/06/2020 00:41, JNugent wrote:
On 06/06/2020 22:53, TMS320 wrote: On 06/06/2020 15:50, Kelly wrote: TMS320 wrote: With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close, it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. I'd go along with that.Â* According to Public Health England, typically spending more than 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person can raise your risk of catching the virus.Â* So if you momentarily brush past someone, especially outdoors, even within the two metres how much of a risk can that realistically pose? It depends on which way the wind is blowing... But I can't believe normal distancing outdoors is an issue. You're just a born rebel, aren't you? There's nothing rebellious in that statement. |
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On 07/06/2020 23:09, TMS320 wrote:
On 07/06/2020 00:41, JNugent wrote: On 06/06/2020 22:53, TMS320 wrote: On 06/06/2020 15:50, Kelly wrote: TMS320 wrote: With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close, it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. I'd go along with that.Â* According to Public Health England, typically spending more than 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person can raise your risk of catching the virus.Â* So if you momentarily brush past someone, especially outdoors, even within the two metres how much of a risk can that realistically pose? It depends on which way the wind is blowing... But I can't believe normal distancing outdoors is an issue. You're just a born rebel, aren't you? There's nothing rebellious in that statement. You're not only a rebel but you're also a contrarian rebel who thinks he's too cool to follow rules - especially when they're only there to protect other people from you. |
Social distancing
On 08/06/2020 00:27, JNugent wrote:
On 07/06/2020 23:09, TMS320 wrote: On 07/06/2020 00:41, JNugent wrote: On 06/06/2020 22:53, TMS320 wrote: On 06/06/2020 15:50, Kelly wrote: TMS320 wrote: With the number of pedestrians complaining about cyclists passing close, it never ceases to amaze how people stand and talk to each across a path and one has no choice but to pass between them. I don't hold with the idea that anybody will die from a fleeting encounter outdoors but respect that there are those that do. I'd go along with that.Â* According to Public Health England, typically spending more than 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person can raise your risk of catching the virus.Â* So if you momentarily brush past someone, especially outdoors, even within the two metres how much of a risk can that realistically pose? It depends on which way the wind is blowing... But I can't believe normal distancing outdoors is an issue. You're just a born rebel, aren't you? There's nothing rebellious in that statement. You're not only a rebel but you're also a contrarian rebel who thinks he's too cool to follow rules - especially when they're only there to protect other people from you. Whereas you're too thick to be able to give an opinion. |
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