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[email protected] March 18th 17 01:39 AM

Habanero Ti
 
So I bought one today road bike Team issue 58 cm. Riding carbon last 8 years and steel before that. I am hoping to catch the steel road ride that is an upgrade. The carbon bike is fine but seems 2 carbons are same thing, so give the TI a ride.

Anyone think this could be nuts? I do but hey.....

Deacon Mark

Doug Landau March 18th 17 03:25 AM

Habanero Ti
 
On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-7, wrote:
So I bought one today road bike Team issue 58 cm. Riding carbon last 8 years and steel before that. I am hoping to catch the steel road ride that is an upgrade. The carbon bike is fine but seems 2 carbons are same thing, so give the TI a ride.

Anyone think this could be nuts? I do but hey.....

Deacon Mark


Nope, not nuts, I don't think. I've been watching CL for one.


[email protected] March 18th 17 05:07 PM

Habanero Ti
 
On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 1:39:24 AM UTC+1, wrote:
So I bought one today road bike Team issue 58 cm. Riding carbon last 8 years and steel before that. I am hoping to catch the steel road ride that is an upgrade. The carbon bike is fine but seems 2 carbons are same thing, so give the TI a ride.

Anyone think this could be nuts? I do but hey.....

Deacon Mark


If you think that is nuts I'm completely crazy having a CF, Ti and Alu roadbike. You will discover that Ti doesn't have magic riding qualities. It just doesn't need a paintjob and stays like new forever. Don't put parts on it that can rust. That would be strange.

Lou

AMuzi March 18th 17 05:37 PM

Habanero Ti
 
On 3/18/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 1:39:24 AM UTC+1, wrote:
So I bought one today road bike Team issue 58 cm. Riding carbon last 8 years and steel before that. I am hoping to catch the steel road ride that is an upgrade. The carbon bike is fine but seems 2 carbons are same thing, so give the TI a ride.

Anyone think this could be nuts? I do but hey.....

Deacon Mark


If you think that is nuts I'm completely crazy having a CF, Ti and Alu roadbike. You will discover that Ti doesn't have magic riding qualities. It just doesn't need a paintjob and stays like new forever. Don't put parts on it that can rust. That would be strange.



Agreed.
Titanium left exposed to air covers itself in stable
titanium oxide but in contact with other metals, especially
with an electrolyte (such as road salt in water), Ti is
highly reactive. Use anti-seize molybdenum paste for
assembly of fasteners and clamps in/on Titanium.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971



[email protected] March 18th 17 06:20 PM

Habanero Ti
 
I don't expect it to have magic riding qualities but hoping it will be even soother than my CF. I remember my old steel Schwinn Traveler fro about 1991 was aqua green. Frankly road pretty good much better than any Al bike. Not as cutting fast and nimble as my CF but not harsh.

The whole Ti frame is different in Geometry so I wonder how that will be.

Deacon Mark.

Tim McNamara March 18th 17 06:47 PM

Habanero Ti
 
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:39:22 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
So I bought one today road bike Team issue 58 cm. Riding carbon last 8
years and steel before that. I am hoping to catch the steel road ride
that is an upgrade. The carbon bike is fine but seems 2 carbons are
same thing, so give the TI a ride.

Anyone think this could be nuts? I do but hey.....


Mark Hickey's bikes are nicely designed and made- the cycling parallel
of an Eastman archtop guitar, perhaps. He hasn't been around Usenet for
years now, unfortunately. He was always good for a spirited discussion;
he and I usually disagreed politically but he was smart and consistent
in his thinking. I thought he had a lot of integrity. His thinking
about bike frame design makes a lot of sense to me. I've seen a couple
of them locally and their owners were very happy with them and with
their experience of dealing with Mark.

[email protected] March 18th 17 08:18 PM

Habanero Ti
 
On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-7, wrote:
So I bought one today road bike Team issue 58 cm. Riding carbon last 8 years and steel before that. I am hoping to catch the steel road ride that is an upgrade. The carbon bike is fine but seems 2 carbons are same thing, so give the TI a ride.

Anyone think this could be nuts? I do but hey.....

Deacon Mark


At the age of that bike you probably won't have any worries but many ti bikes are built with improper welds that will crack. I said this to people several times and they have told me I'm FOS.

But two years ago one of our fast riders showed up with a Linskey and I told him about that and the whole group made a joke of me on the entire ride.

The following week I pointed out a crack on his downtube. Luckily with a new bike he could get a replacement frame.

[email protected] March 18th 17 08:45 PM

Habanero Ti
 
On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 2:18:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:

At the age of that bike you probably won't have any worries but many ti bikes are built with improper welds that will crack. I said this to people several times and they have told me I'm FOS.

But two years ago one of our fast riders showed up with a Linskey and I told him about that and the whole group made a joke of me on the entire ride..

The following week I pointed out a crack on his downtube. Luckily with a new bike he could get a replacement frame.



So you are saying Lynskey, and Litespeed back when Lynskey started the company, don't know how to weld titanium? I have a Litespeed Tuscany, made before Lynskey sold the company, and I have not noticed any cracks or defects. But then I don't inspect the frame with a magnifying glass before and after every ride. I just ride the bike, and it rides fine every time. Many, many thousands of miles on the frame. Can't say whether your story is true or not. But I suspect every manufacturer has a defect every once in awhile. Even Rolls Royces and Rolexes need warranty work once in awhile. Its not like an anvil, where essentially nothing can break.

Frank Krygowski[_4_] March 18th 17 11:53 PM

Habanero Ti
 
On 3/18/2017 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 2:18:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:

At the age of that bike you probably won't have any worries but many ti bikes are built with improper welds that will crack. I said this to people several times and they have told me I'm FOS.

But two years ago one of our fast riders showed up with a Linskey and I told him about that and the whole group made a joke of me on the entire ride.

The following week I pointed out a crack on his downtube. Luckily with a new bike he could get a replacement frame.



So you are saying Lynskey, and Litespeed back when Lynskey started the company, don't know how to weld titanium? I have a Litespeed Tuscany, made before Lynskey sold the company, and I have not noticed any cracks or defects. But then I don't inspect the frame with a magnifying glass before and after every ride. I just ride the bike, and it rides fine every time. Many, many thousands of miles on the frame. Can't say whether your story is true or not. But I suspect every manufacturer has a defect every once in awhile. Even Rolls Royces and Rolexes need warranty work once in awhile. Its not like an anvil, where essentially nothing can break.


But someday, when we have carbon fiber anvils...

--
- Frank Krygowski

John B.[_3_] March 19th 17 08:56 AM

Habanero Ti
 
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:45:12 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 2:18:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:

At the age of that bike you probably won't have any worries but many ti bikes are built with improper welds that will crack. I said this to people several times and they have told me I'm FOS.

But two years ago one of our fast riders showed up with a Linskey and I told him about that and the whole group made a joke of me on the entire ride.

The following week I pointed out a crack on his downtube. Luckily with a new bike he could get a replacement frame.



So you are saying Lynskey, and Litespeed back when Lynskey started the company, don't know how to weld titanium? I have a Litespeed Tuscany, made before Lynskey sold the company, and I have not noticed any cracks or defects. But then I don't inspect the frame with a magnifying glass before and after every ride. I just ride the bike, and it rides fine every time. Many, many thousands of miles on the frame. Can't say whether your story is true or not. But I suspect every manufacturer has a defect every once in awhile. Even Rolls Royces and Rolexes need warranty work once in awhile. Its not like an anvil, where essentially nothing can break.


I don't know about Lynskey and Litespeed but welding titanium isn't
some sort of esoteric skill. It is just another welding skill that
probably thousands of people have. Perhaps unfortunately few qualified
aircraft welders are going to quit their top dollar job to build
bicycle frames :-)

(and yes, I do know what I am talking about as I certified as a USAF
Titanium welder in 1972, along with aluminum and stainless.)

In fact, all of the stories you hear about the problems in welding, or
brazing, bike frames are really only stories told by, what are
essentially, unqualified people.
--
Cheers,

John B.



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