Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

3 per cent down for killed overall (despite a half percent rise in
motorised traffic, 5 per cent down for KSI, BUT cyclists up 4 percent on
deaths and 12 percent on KSI.

Perhaps cyclists road techniques need improving ?

http://road.cc/content/news/98492-la...ist-casualties

Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 23:21:41 +0000, Mrcheerful
wrote:

3 per cent down for killed overall (despite a half percent rise in
motorised traffic, 5 per cent down for KSI, BUT cyclists up 4 percent on
deaths and 12 percent on KSI.

Perhaps cyclists road techniques need improving ?

http://road.cc/content/news/98492-la...ist-casualties

This report says:
=====Quote=====
Between April and June 2013, 450 people were killed in reported road
accidents, 12 per cent more than in the same period for 2012
=====/Quote=====
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...es-q2-2013.pdf

Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

On 08/11/2013 00:05, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 23:21:41 +0000, Mrcheerful
wrote:

3 per cent down for killed overall (despite a half percent rise in
motorised traffic, 5 per cent down for KSI, BUT cyclists up 4 percent on
deaths and 12 percent on KSI.

Perhaps cyclists road techniques need improving ?

http://road.cc/content/news/98492-la...ist-casualties

This report says:
=====Quote=====
Between April and June 2013, 450 people were killed in reported road
accidents, 12 per cent more than in the same period for 2012
=====/Quote=====
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...es-q2-2013.pdf


further down in the same report :
"There were decreases in the number of casualties for car users and
pedestrians of 12 and 3 per cent respectively, with similar falls in the
numbers of KSI casualties – 9 per cent for car users and 7 per cent for
pedestrians. However, there were increases in the number of casualties
for motorcyclists (4 per cent) and pedal cyclists (12 per cent), with an
8 per cent increase in the number of motorcyclist KSI casualties and a 4
per cent increase in pedal cyclist KSI casualties"

Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

On Thursday, 7 November 2013 23:21:41 UTC, Mrcheerful wrote:

Perhaps cyclists road techniques need improving ?

Perhaps you should refrain from victim blaming.

Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:33:51 +0000, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 08/11/2013 00:05, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 23:21:41 +0000, Mrcheerful
wrote:

3 per cent down for killed overall (despite a half percent rise in
motorised traffic, 5 per cent down for KSI, BUT cyclists up 4 percent on
deaths and 12 percent on KSI.

Perhaps cyclists road techniques need improving ?

http://road.cc/content/news/98492-la...ist-casualties

This report says:
=====Quote=====
Between April and June 2013, 450 people were killed in reported road
accidents, 12 per cent more than in the same period for 2012
=====/Quote=====
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...es-q2-2013.pdf


further down in the same report :
"There were decreases in the number of casualties for car users and
pedestrians of 12 and 3 per cent respectively, with similar falls in the
numbers of KSI casualties – 9 per cent for car users and 7 per cent for
pedestrians. However, there were increases in the number of casualties
for motorcyclists (4 per cent) and pedal cyclists (12 per cent), with an
8 per cent increase in the number of motorcyclist KSI casualties and a 4
per cent increase in pedal cyclist KSI casualties"

And immediately after that:
=====Quote=====
It is likely that these increases were at least partly due to the
large change in weather conditions between the second quarters of 2012
and 2013. The overall UK mean rainfall between April and June 2012 was
extremely high compared with the long term average for this period. In
comparison with this, the UK mean rainfall level between April and
June 2013 was 40 per cent lower, returning to the long term average.
It is therefore likely that the markedly drier weather in 2013 would
have increased the number of vulnerable road users (particularly
motorcyclists and pedal cyclists) on the road, relative to the same
period in 2012, thus increasing their relative exposure to accidents.
=====/Quote=====

So while the number of casualties increased, the casualty rate may
have decreased. (Don't tell this to Medwit though, he doesn't
understand the concept of a casualty rate).

Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

On 08/11/2013 08:52, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:33:51 +0000, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 08/11/2013 00:05, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 23:21:41 +0000, Mrcheerful
wrote:

3 per cent down for killed overall (despite a half percent rise in
motorised traffic, 5 per cent down for KSI, BUT cyclists up 4 percent on
deaths and 12 percent on KSI.

Perhaps cyclists road techniques need improving ?

http://road.cc/content/news/98492-la...ist-casualties

This report says:
=====Quote=====
Between April and June 2013, 450 people were killed in reported road
accidents, 12 per cent more than in the same period for 2012
=====/Quote=====
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...es-q2-2013.pdf


further down in the same report :
"There were decreases in the number of casualties for car users and
pedestrians of 12 and 3 per cent respectively, with similar falls in the
numbers of KSI casualties – 9 per cent for car users and 7 per cent for
pedestrians. However, there were increases in the number of casualties
for motorcyclists (4 per cent) and pedal cyclists (12 per cent), with an
8 per cent increase in the number of motorcyclist KSI casualties and a 4
per cent increase in pedal cyclist KSI casualties"

And immediately after that:
=====Quote=====
It is likely that these increases were at least partly due to the
large change in weather conditions between the second quarters of 2012
and 2013. The overall UK mean rainfall between April and June 2012 was
extremely high compared with the long term average for this period. In
comparison with this, the UK mean rainfall level between April and
June 2013 was 40 per cent lower, returning to the long term average.
It is therefore likely that the markedly drier weather in 2013 would
have increased the number of vulnerable road users (particularly
motorcyclists and pedal cyclists) on the road, relative to the same
period in 2012, thus increasing their relative exposure to accidents.
=====/Quote=====

So while the number of casualties increased, the casualty rate may
have decreased. (Don't tell this to Medwit though, he doesn't
understand the concept of a casualty rate).


So motor traffic increases and their casualties fall, while bicycle
numbers increase and their casualties rise. Sounds like bicycles are
not very sensible road transport OR they are not safely and responsibly
used.

Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

On 08/11/2013 08:41, wrote:
On Thursday, 7 November 2013 23:21:41 UTC, Mrcheerful wrote:

Perhaps cyclists road techniques need improving ?

Perhaps you should refrain from victim blaming.


a very large number of cyclists crashes are caused by their own
stupidity, so who else can be blamed?

Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

On Friday, 8 November 2013 09:25:30 UTC, Mrcheerful wrote:

a very large number of cyclists crashes are caused by their own
stupidity, so who else can be blamed?

What percentage "are caused by their own stupidity"?

Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 09:24:03 +0000, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 08/11/2013 08:52, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:33:51 +0000, Mrcheerful
wrote:

On 08/11/2013 00:05, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 23:21:41 +0000, Mrcheerful
wrote:

3 per cent down for killed overall (despite a half percent rise in
motorised traffic, 5 per cent down for KSI, BUT cyclists up 4 percent on
deaths and 12 percent on KSI.

Perhaps cyclists road techniques need improving ?

http://road.cc/content/news/98492-la...ist-casualties

This report says:
=====Quote=====
Between April and June 2013, 450 people were killed in reported road
accidents, 12 per cent more than in the same period for 2012
=====/Quote=====
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...es-q2-2013.pdf


further down in the same report :
"There were decreases in the number of casualties for car users and
pedestrians of 12 and 3 per cent respectively, with similar falls in the
numbers of KSI casualties – 9 per cent for car users and 7 per cent for
pedestrians. However, there were increases in the number of casualties
for motorcyclists (4 per cent) and pedal cyclists (12 per cent), with an
8 per cent increase in the number of motorcyclist KSI casualties and a 4
per cent increase in pedal cyclist KSI casualties"

And immediately after that:
=====Quote=====
It is likely that these increases were at least partly due to the
large change in weather conditions between the second quarters of 2012
and 2013. The overall UK mean rainfall between April and June 2012 was
extremely high compared with the long term average for this period. In
comparison with this, the UK mean rainfall level between April and
June 2013 was 40 per cent lower, returning to the long term average.
It is therefore likely that the markedly drier weather in 2013 would
have increased the number of vulnerable road users (particularly
motorcyclists and pedal cyclists) on the road, relative to the same
period in 2012, thus increasing their relative exposure to accidents.
=====/Quote=====

So while the number of casualties increased, the casualty rate may
have decreased. (Don't tell this to Medwit though, he doesn't
understand the concept of a casualty rate).


So motor traffic increases and their casualties fall, while bicycle
numbers increase and their casualties rise. Sounds like bicycles are
not very sensible road transport OR they are not safely and responsibly
used.

Clearly you didn't understand the effect of the weather on road use or
casualty rates.

Cyclists up, cyclist casualties up, cyclist casualty rates down
(cycling getting safer) if the percent increase in cycling exceeds the
percent increase in cycling casualties. (Please don't do a Medwit on
me).

Latest quarter: Drop in road deaths, but cyclist casualties rise.
 

On 08/11/2013 09:37, wrote:
On Friday, 8 November 2013 09:25:30 UTC, Mrcheerful wrote:

a very large number of cyclists crashes are caused by their own
stupidity, so who else can be blamed?

What percentage "are caused by their own stupidity"?


All the ones that occur in races, all the ones that are caused during
undertaking, all the ones on pavements etc. any where the rules of the
road are being broken. A substantial proportion.

How would you feel about a guaranteed 6 percent reduction in cycling
casualties, it would be good wouldn't it? Answer : ban road racing.