Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

Blackblade thinks the omens favor the ever increasing use of

trails by bikers, He couldn't be more wrong of course. It is a fad and
it will

soon pass. Here is evidence that the tide is already beginning to
turn. Common

sense will prevail in the end. Trails are for hikers. Roads are for


bikers.



1. I'm not for opening every trail to bikes



2. Last year, according to the report that you posted, more young
people took up mountainbiking than hiking



3. Last year, IMBA opened several hundred miles of new
trails



So, overall, the number of riders is increasing and the mileage of
trails open to them is increasing. Doesn't look like a fad to me.



Fads often last for a generation or so. That doesn't mean it
will be around for the long haul. What is being promoted to young people by the
IMBA and others is actually criminal. The young will have to learn the hard way
how people who should know better are actually scoundrels and blackguards who
promote things for their own advantage. The increasing injuries and deaths from
mountain biking will eventually result in its being banned from all but the
safest of trails which are more often rustic roads than anything
else.

Ah, more Dolan dodging ... make an assertion, have it refuted by actual evidence, revert to making original assertion with ad hominem. You have no evidence whatsoever that it will decline in the future ... no one can know .... but, for the moment, it's on an upward trend.

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

Fads often last for a generation or so. That doesn't mean it
will be around for the long haul. What is being promoted to young people by the
IMBA and others is actually criminal. The young will have to learn the hard way
how people who should know better are actually scoundrels and blackguards who
promote things for their own advantage. The increasing injuries and deaths from
mountain biking will eventually result in its being banned from all but the
safest of trails which are more often rustic roads than anything
else.

Ah, more Dolan dodging ... make an assertion, have it refuted by actual evidence, revert to making original assertion with ad hominem. You have no evidence whatsoever that it will decline in the future ... no one can know ... but, for the moment, it's on an upward trend.

The near universal acknowledgment of the dangers of mountain biking on hiking trails will mean the end of it. Once the lawsuits began it will happen fast. Mr. Vandeman has much better arguments than I do for its demise, but his arguments presuppose other intelligent beings who can be persuaded. I, on the other hand, am convinced that only the ever increasing deaths of bikers on trails will result in its banishment.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.�
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

Fads often last for a generation or so. That doesn't mean it

will be around for the long haul. What is being promoted to young
people by the

IMBA and others is actually criminal. The young will have to learn the
hard way

how people who should know better are actually scoundrels and
blackguards who

promote things for their own advantage. The increasing injuries and
deaths from

mountain biking will eventually result in its being banned from all
but the

safest of trails which are more often rustic roads than anything


else.

Ah, more Dolan dodging ... make an assertion, have it refuted by
actual evidence, revert to making original assertion with ad hominem.* You
have no evidence whatsoever that it will decline in the future ... no one can
know ... but, for the moment, it's on an upward trend.

The near universal acknowledgment of the dangers of mountain
biking on hiking trails will mean the end of it.

What 'near universal' acknowledgement of the dangers ? References ?? Data to backup this proposition ??

I think you lie ... again.

Once the lawsuits began it will
happen fast.

More than twenty years ... and still growing ... methinks you hope rather than have any rational basis for this supposition.

Mr. Vandeman has much better arguments than I do for its demise,
but his arguments presuppose other intelligent beings who can be persuaded. I,
on the other hand, am convinced that only the ever increasing deaths of bikers
on trails will result in its banishment.

In which case, if that's the basis on which you are pinning your hopes, I would abandon hope now. The real statistics suggest that it's a relatively safe activity with a net benefit in terms of health. As such, I would suggest it is much more likely that it will continue to grow for some considerable time to come.

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

The near universal acknowledgment of the dangers of mountain
biking on hiking trails will mean the end of it.

What 'near universal' acknowledgement of the dangers ? References ?? Data to backup this proposition ??

I think you lie ... again.

This is how dumb you can get when you don’t follow what is being reported in the media. Ignorance is bliss, apparently.

Once the lawsuits began it will
happen fast.

More than twenty years ... and still growing ... methinks you hope rather than have any rational basis for this supposition.

We will have to wait to see how this will play out.

Mr. Vandeman has much better arguments than I do for its demise,
but his arguments presuppose other intelligent beings who can be persuaded. I,
on the other hand, am convinced that only the ever increasing deaths of bikers
on trails will result in its banishment.

In which case, if that's the basis on which you are pinning your hopes, I would abandon hope now. The real statistics suggest that it's a relatively safe activity with a net benefit in terms of health. As such, I would suggest it is much more likely that it will continue to grow for some considerable time to come.

It can happen rather suddenly if and when the outrage reaches a certain point.

Read below for what can cause the outrage, although this happens to apply to urban cycling:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/ny...3A8%22%7D&_r=0

After Woman Is Struck, Debate on Cycling in City Is Revived

By BENJAMIN MUELLER and KIA GREGORYSEPT. 19, 2014

Police officers on Friday handed out safety fliers on West Drive,
where a pedestrian was hit. Credit Michael Nagle for The New York Times

The long-simmering conflict between bicyclists and pedestrians in
New York City flared again after a 58-year-old woman was struck by
a bicyclist and critically injured in Central Park on Thursday afternoon.

The woman, Jill Tarlov of Fairfield, Conn., was walking across
West Drive near West 63rd Street in the park around 4:25 p.m. when
the bicyclist, a 31-year-old man, came along the road.

He swerved to avoid one group of pedestrians but struck Ms.
Tarlov, causing her to hit her head. She was listed in critical
condition at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical
Center, the police said.

No charges have been filed against the bicyclist, whom the police
declined to identify. He was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital after
the accident with injuries to his shoulder and hand.

On Friday afternoon, the police were trying to alert bicyclists
to safety requirements in Central Park.

At the same crosswalk where Ms. Tarlov was struck, four officers
instructed groups of cyclists to stop at red lights and yield to pedestrians.

The officers also handed out fliers advising riders on how to
avoid accidents.

Earlier in the day, zooming cyclists shared the road with
horse-drawn carriages and women pushing jogging strollers.

Some pedestrians crossed against the light, and joggers ran in a
bicycle lane, prompting one cyclist to yell, "What are you doing?"

Shahjahan Talukder, a food-cart vendor on West Drive, said that
just before the accident he heard someone yell, "Move!" When he
looked up, he saw a woman lying in the street.

"Who's right, who's wrong," he said, "I don't know."

He added that he had seen accidents on the road before and
worried for pedestrians.

"The bikes are crazy," he said. "They should close bikes here."

Accidents are not uncommon on the busy park roadways, frequented
by bicyclists, tourists, joggers, pedicabs, skateboarders and
in-line skaters. In August, a 75-year-old man was fatally struck by
a teenage bicyclist trying to avoid a pedicab driver in the park.

Some say the danger from bicyclists in the city has never been
greater. Commuters on Citi Bikes run red lights on the same roads
where cyclists ride against the flow of traffic and race, they say.

"I'm turning to the right, I'm turning to the left, I don't know
where they're going to come at me," said Bunny Abraham of the Upper
West Side, who has called for new rules that would require riders
to have licenses. "They feel as if they own the city," she said.
"They feel as if they own the roads. And you cannot touch them."

The city has recently sought to clamp down on reckless cycling.
So far this year, the authorities have issued 468 moving summonses
for bicycle violations in Central Park, more than triple the 151
summonses issued in the same period last year, the police said.
Half of the summonses issued this year penalized riders who failed
to yield to pedestrians.

And a two-week Police Department initiative in August, Operation
Safe Cycle, conducted as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio's Vision Zero
traffic safety campaign, led to 4,300 moving violations for
cyclists across the city.
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Eileen Kurtis, 61, who walks three or four times a week along the
stretch of the park where Ms. Tarlov was hurt, said she had had
some close calls.

"When there is a herd of bikes," Ms. Kurtis said, "I wait, I dodge."

With more bicycles on the road, she said, "I feel it could happen
to anyone."

Michele Bodner, who lives on the Upper West Side and was walking
her terrier, as she does every morning, said she often saw bicycles
crossing into the pedestrian and car lanes "to go as fast as they can."

She expressed outrage about the accident, saying she and others
were organizing a petition that would call for the city to
establish a speed limit for bicycles and for the police to enforce summonses.

"Every single person who uses this park every single day, many
times over, has been threatened by these groups," she said.
"There's no other way to put it."

Paul Steely White, the executive director of Transportation
Alternatives, a cycling and pedestrian advocacy group, said in a
statement that the group's thoughts were with Ms. Tarlov.

"Because we're serious about reaching Vision Zero," he said, "we
need to speak out in response to every preventable tragedy and
condemn all acts of reckless behavior in traffic."

The statement added: "As the most vulnerable users of our
streets, pedestrians must be safe from reckless cycling, just as
they need to be protected from reckless driving. This is
particularly true in our parks."

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.�
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:21:04 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

This is how dumb you can get when you don’t follow what is being reported in the media. Ignorance is bliss, apparently.


It obviously is as you keep posting in the face of evidence that you
don't know what you are talking about.

Saint Eddie. The patron of the uninformed.
--
cheers,

The foolkkiller

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

The near universal acknowledgment of the dangers of
mountain

biking on hiking trails will mean the end of
it.

What 'near universal' acknowledgement of the dangers
? References ?? Data to backup this proposition ??

I think you lie ... again.

This is how dumb you can get when you don't follow what is
being reported in the media. Ignorance is bliss, apparently.

I will leave the enjoyment of ignorance to you ... as you don't want to read anything that doesn't agree with your limited viewpoint.

However, the fundamental point remains ... there is NO "near universal" acknowledgement of the dangers. The risk remains 1.54 injuries per 1,000 exposures which is relatively low when compared with other sports and activities.

Once the lawsuits began it will

happen fast.

More than twenty years ... and still growing ...
methinks you hope rather than have any rational basis for this
supposition.

We will have to wait to see how this will play
out.

Indeed we will ... but the vast majority of moves seem to be in favour of mountainbiking as more and more users take it up.

Mr. Vandeman has much better arguments than I do for its
demise,

but his arguments presuppose other intelligent beings who
can be persuaded. I,

on the other hand, am convinced that only the ever
increasing deaths of bikers

on trails will result in its banishment.

In which case, if that's the basis on which you are
pinning your hopes, I would abandon hope now. The real statistics suggest
that it's a relatively safe activity with a net benefit in terms of
health. As such, I would suggest it is much more likely that it will
continue to grow for some considerable time to come.

It can happen rather suddenly if and when the outrage reaches
a certain point.

All kinds of things can happen when there is sufficient public impetus. However, as more and more people wish to ride I would suggest that the more likely outcome is that biking will be increasingly accomodated rather than banned.

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

"Foolkiller" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:21:04 -0500, "EdwardDolan"
wrote:

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

This is how dumb you can get when you don’t follow what is being reported in the media. Ignorance is bliss, apparently.


It obviously is as you keep posting in the face of evidence that you
don't know what you are talking about.

Saint Eddie. The patron of the uninformed.

**** you too Asshole!

Post content or get lost. What an Asshole!

Now go **** yourself and quit bothering the honorable members of this noble newsgroup.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.�
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

This is how dumb you can [Blackblade] get when you don't follow what is
being reported in the media. Ignorance is bliss, apparently.

I will leave the enjoyment of ignorance to you ... as you don't want to read anything that doesn't agree with your limited viewpoint.

I have read your crap until I am overflowing with the stupidity of it.

However, the fundamental point remains ... there is NO "near universal" acknowledgement of the dangers. The risk remains 1.54 injuries per 1,000 exposures which is relatively low when compared with other sports and activities.

I advise that you stay away from any and all numbers as they only lead you astray.
[...]

increasing deaths of bikers on trails will result in its banishment.
It can happen rather suddenly if and when the outrage reaches
a certain point.

All kinds of things can happen when there is sufficient public impetus. However, as more and more people wish to ride I would suggest that the more likely outcome is that biking will be increasingly accomodated rather than banned.

Biking will be restricted more and more. It will be banished from dangerous trails where there is a record of injuries and deaths. Not every one in the world is as stupid as you are.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.�
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

This is how dumb you can [Blackblade] get when you don't follow what
is

being reported in the media. Ignorance is bliss, apparently.

I will leave the enjoyment of ignorance to you ... as you don't
want to read anything that doesn't agree with your limited viewpoint.

I have read your crap until I am overflowing with the
stupidity of it.

So reports from the British Medical Journal and the Mountain Rescue Service are 'crap' whereas random media articles culled from the web are valuable ? The only stupidity here is yours in assuming that you know everything and don't have to read anything.

However, the fundamental point remains ... there is NO "near
universal" acknowledgement of the dangers.* The risk remains 1.54 injuries
per 1,000 exposures which is relatively low when compared with other sports and
activities.

I advise that you stay away from any and all numbers as they
only lead you astray.

I think you know what you can do with your 'advice' ! I will stick with real data and leave the fantasy, opinion and speculation to you.

increasing deaths of bikers on trails will result in its
banishment.

It can happen rather suddenly if and when the outrage reaches

a certain point.

*

All kinds of things can happen when there is sufficient public
impetus.* However, as more and more people wish to ride I would suggest
that the more likely outcome is that biking will be increasingly accomodated
rather than banned.

Biking will be restricted more and more. It will be banished
from dangerous trails where there is a record of injuries and deaths. Not every
one in the world is as stupid as you are.

You keep writing this despite there being no evidence whatsoever of it actually happening ... in fact, the opposite is occurring, more and more trails are becoming open to bikes. A fact that your criminal pal vandeman bemoans but acknowledges is true.

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

I suspect hikers outnumber bikers 100,000 to 1, maybe
1,000,000 to 1.

Well, your suspicions are, yet again, wrong. There are are 50 million mountainbikers in the US alone so that would require there to be between 5 and 50 TRILLION hikers ... rather more than the population of the earth. Idiot.

Just can’t resist numbers can you? How about hikers to bikers 1,000,000,000 to 1. Have fun!

Apparently it is my destiny to be Bugs Bunny to your Elmer Fudd.
[...]

Media reports say it all.

Yes, they say that hiking is more dangerous than biking ... more reports of fatalities and serious injuries. Idiot.

Your dumb numbers only say whatever you are dumb enough to believe. You are worse than an idiot. You are a fool!
[...]

I'm conservative politically ... so, not at all into politically correct thinking. But it's still totally irrelevant.

But you are into politically correct thinking. After all, this business about sharing because public is a liberal notion. Also, you seem to be lacking any elitist sentiments. You are not a conservative socially. We social conservatives believe in tradition, and trails have traditionally been just for hikers (and equestrians), not for every new thing that comes down the pike.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.�
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

"Phil W Lee" wrote in message ...
[...]

RAF Air/Sea Rescue reports that hikers account for 50% of their call
outs. This means they outnumber all other calls for emergency aid put
together.After hiking accidents there are accidents at sea, swimming accidents,
surfing accidents, motor accidents and equestrian accidents.
Mountian bike accidents were too small a number to be statistically
significant.

You can’t go by what any single agency is reporting. After all, that could be highly skewed for any number of reasons. But it in no way subtracts from my central point the mountain biking on hiking trails is sui generis dangerous. You are doing something that trails were not designed for.
[...]

Yes, even public footpaths in England and Wales (formerly closed to
cyclists) are increasingly having cycle access granted (either
permissive, or by being upgraded to bridleways, over which cyclists
have a right-of-way). Some are even being surfaced to a high standard
so that they can be used easily by road cyclists (which benefits
pedestrians as well, as they can then be used in ordinary footwear
without risk of slipping or having to change at the destination).

Once a footpath is paved it is no longer a hiking trail. It has essentially become a bike trail. A paved trail is not of much interest for a hiker although it may serve for those who simply want a bit of exercise. In any event, there is never any excuse for permitting bikes on true hiking trails.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.�
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

I suspect hikers outnumber bikers 100,000 to 1, maybe

1,000,000 to 1.

Well, your suspicions are, yet again, wrong. There are are
50 million mountainbikers in the US alone so that would require there to be
between 5 and 50 TRILLION hikers ... rather more than the population of the
earth. Idiot.

Just can't resist numbers can you? How about hikers to bikers
1,000,000,000 to 1. Have fun!

Apparently it is my destiny to be Bugs Bunny to your Elmer
Fudd.

How about you admit that you haven't the faintest clue about numbers (here's some help for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvSmq9-GNwA) since you made a provably false statement that therefore invalidated your argument.

Media reports say it all.

Yes, they say that hiking is more dangerous than biking ... more
reports of fatalities and serious injuries. Idiot.

Your dumb numbers only say whatever you are dumb enough to
believe. You are worse than an idiot. You are a fool!

No, you're the fool here. Despite the evidence in front of your face, MORE reports of hiker fatalities that biker, you still persist in believing that a simple count of number of events tells you anything. Your fundamental method is FLAWED. Simply relaying number of reports tells you NOTHING about the likelihood of an event.

I'm conservative politically ... so, not at all into politically
correct thinking. But it's still totally irrelevant.

But you are into politically correct thinking. After all, this
business about sharing because public is a liberal notion. Also, you seem to be
lacking any elitist sentiments. You are not a conservative socially. We social
conservatives believe in tradition, and trails have traditionally been just for
hikers (and equestrians), not for every new thing that comes down the
pike.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm an elitist all right. I think anyone who can't argue logically, understand statistics and at least try to remain impartial is definitely NOT a member of the elite. As such, you're a pretender and your views are entirely immaterial and worthless.

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

Your dumb numbers only say whatever you are dumb enough to
believe. You are worse than an idiot. You are a fool!

No, you're the fool here. Despite the evidence in front of your face, MORE reports of hiker fatalities that biker, you still persist in believing that a simple count of number of events tells you anything. Your fundamental method is FLAWED. Simply relaying number of reports tells you NOTHING about the likelihood of an event.

You will never convince me that there are more reports of hiker fatalities than biker fatalities everything else being equal.. Relaying the number of reports tell you everything you will ever want to know about the likelihood of an event. Biker accidents are all the same. They are doing headers from striking the trail at an odd or uneven moment. That sort of accident is never going to change.

I'm conservative politically ... so, not at all into politically
correct thinking. But it's still totally irrelevant.

But you are into politically correct thinking. After all, this
business about sharing because public is a liberal notion. Also, you seem to be
lacking any elitist sentiments. You are not a conservative socially. We social
conservatives believe in tradition, and trails have traditionally been just for
hikers (and equestrians), not for every new thing that comes down the
pike.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm an elitist all right. I think anyone who can't argue logically, understand statistics and at least try to remain impartial is definitely NOT a member of the elite. As such, you're a pretender and your views are entirely immaterial and worthless.

Yes, indeed, you have just described yourself perfectly. No need for me to come up with my own diagnosis.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.�
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

Your dumb numbers only say whatever you are dumb enough to
believe. You are worse than an idiot. You are a fool!

No, you're the fool here.* Despite the evidence in front of
your face, MORE reports of hiker fatalities that biker, you still persist in
believing that a simple count of number of events tells you anything.* Your
fundamental method is FLAWED.* Simply relaying number of reports tells you
NOTHING about the likelihood of an event.

You will never convince me that there are more reports of
hiker fatalities than biker fatalities everything else being equal.. Relaying
the number of reports tell you everything you will ever want to know about the
likelihood of an event. Biker accidents are all the same. They are doing headers
from striking the trail at an odd or uneven moment. That sort of accident is
never going to change.

I'm not trying to convince you ... I'm stating a fact based on a Google search which you, and everyone else, can verify. Typing "hiker dies" into Google results in approximately three times the number of results than typing "mountainbiker dies" (2.9 million results for the former, 494,000 for the latter - on Google.com).

You can argue that the moon is made of cheese and fail to be convinced of facts to the contrary but, in that too, you would quite simply be wrong.

I'm conservative politically ... so, not at all into
politically
correct thinking.* But it's still totally irrelevant.

But you are into politically correct thinking. After all, this
business about sharing because public is a liberal notion. Also, you
seem to be
lacking any elitist sentiments. You are not a conservative socially.
We social
conservatives believe in tradition, and trails have traditionally been
just for
hikers (and equestrians), not for every new thing that comes down the
pike.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm an elitist all right.* I think
anyone who can't argue logically, understand statistics and at least try to
remain impartial is definitely NOT a member of the elite.* As such, you're
a pretender and your views are entirely immaterial and worthless.

Yes, indeed, you have just described yourself perfectly. No
need for me to come up with my own diagnosis.

Ah, the discourse of the playground. Well done Ed ... showing your true colours and the level of your argumentation.

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

You will never convince me that there are more reports of
hiker fatalities than biker fatalities everything else being equal.. Relaying
the number of reports tell you everything you will ever want to know about the
likelihood of an event. Biker accidents are all the same. They are doing headers
from striking the trail at an odd or uneven moment. That sort of accident is
never going to change.

I'm not trying to convince you ... I'm stating a fact based on a Google search which you, and everyone else, can verify. Typing "hiker dies" into Google results in approximately three times the number of results than typing "mountainbiker dies" (2.9 million results for the former, 494,000 for the latter - on Google.com).

You can argue that the moon is made of cheese and fail to be convinced of facts to the contrary but, in that too, you would quite simply be wrong.

Statistical data is dumb as everyone knows (except you apparently). Polls are equally dumb. Try to connect to a simple media report if that is even remotely possible.
[...]

Yes, indeed, you have just described yourself perfectly. No
need for me to come up with my own diagnosis.

Ah, the discourse of the playground. Well done Ed ... showing your true colours and the level of your argumentation.

You will never win any name calling contest with me. I have almost 80 years of stored up bile to unleash on you.

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.�
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

You will never convince me that there are more reports of
hiker fatalities than biker fatalities everything else being equal..
Relaying
the number of reports tell you everything you will ever want to know
about the
likelihood of an event. Biker accidents are all the same. They are
doing headers
from striking the trail at an odd or uneven moment. That sort of
accident is
never going to change.

I'm not trying to convince you ... I'm stating a fact based on a
Google search which you, and everyone else, can verify.* Typing "hiker
dies" into Google results in approximately three times the number of results
than typing "mountainbiker dies" (2.9 million results for the former, 494,000
for the latter - on Google.com).

You can argue that the moon is made of cheese and fail to be
convinced of facts to the contrary but, in that too, you would quite simply be
wrong.

Statistical data is dumb as everyone knows (except you
apparently). Polls are equally dumb. Try to connect to a simple media report if
that is even remotely possible.

Of course it's possible ... but it's even more possible to connect to simple media reports of hiker fatalities since there are three times as many. I don't think that was the point you were trying to make :-).

Yes, indeed, you have just described yourself perfectly. No
need for me to come up with my own diagnosis.

Ah, the discourse of the playground.* Well done Ed ...
showing your true colours and the level of your argumentation.

You will never win any name calling contest with me. I have
almost 80 years of stored up bile to unleash on you.

I won't enter into a name calling contest. It's stupid and pointless ... as are the people who think it's the appropriate way to conduct a debate. One might even call them barbarians !

Mountain bikers are a scourge wherever they are found
 

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
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Edward Dolan wrote:

Statistical data is dumb as everyone knows (except you
apparently). Polls are equally dumb. Try to connect to a simple media report if
that is even remotely possible.

Of course it's possible ... but it's even more possible to connect to simple media reports of hiker fatalities since there are three times as many. I don't think that was the point you were trying to make :-).

Statistical data has to be reported in some kind of context. Are there not perhaps many times more hikers than there are mountain bikers? Are not hikers of all ages and conditions of health as compared to mountain bikers who are in the prime of their lives? Your data reports are meaningless whereas my reports of actual accidents and fatalities are on point – that mountain biking is extremely dangerous.
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You will never win any name calling contest with me. I have
almost 80 years of stored up bile to unleash on you.

I won't enter into a name calling contest. It's stupid and pointless .... as are the people who think it's the appropriate way to conduct a debate. One might even call them barbarians !

Everything with me is tit for tat. But I will admit that assholes who ride their bikes on hiking trails are a special breed of cretinous blackguards and deserve everything I can give them – and then some. Of course you and yours are such blockheads that nothing ever penetrates.

Ed Dolan the Great
aka
Saint Edward the Great
Minnesota – Land of 10,000 Taxes