Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

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Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:58:00 +0100
MrCheerful wrote:

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They'll probably have a couple of community support officers standing
outside for a few hours. It's a shame that people who thought there
was a problem there didn't approach police about it, and a shame that
the police, if they had been approached, probably wouldn't have
bothered about it until a serious incident like this occurred. I'd
quite like to see pedestrians lurking in doorways and "accidentally"
stepping in front of pavement cyclists, maybe just enough to catch the
end of the handlebar ...

Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

On 07/09/2017 15:59, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:58:00 +0100
MrCheerful wrote:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....iding-13575403

They'll probably have a couple of community support officers standing
outside for a few hours. It's a shame that people who thought there
was a problem there didn't approach police about it, and a shame that
the police, if they had been approached, probably wouldn't have
bothered about it until a serious incident like this occurred. I'd
quite like to see pedestrians lurking in doorways and "accidentally"
stepping in front of pavement cyclists, maybe just enough to catch the
end of the handlebar ...

Is that what you think the victim did?

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Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

On 08/09/17 01:06, JNugent wrote:
On 07/09/2017 15:59, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:58:00 +0100
MrCheerful wrote:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....iding-13575403


They'll probably have a couple of community support officers standing
outside for a few hours. It's a shame that people who thought there
was a problem there didn't approach police about it, and a shame that
the police, if they had been approached, probably wouldn't have
bothered about it until a serious incident like this occurred. I'd
quite like to see pedestrians lurking in doorways and "accidentally"
stepping in front of pavement cyclists, maybe just enough to catch the
end of the handlebar ...

Is that what you think the victim did?

You really do have a strange mind; nothing in the above suggests any
kind of thinking in that direction.

Perhaps what is needed to reduce close passes outside shop doors are
obstructions on the pavement, such as plant troughs... or free to use
bicycle pumps.

Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

On 07/09/2017 15:59, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:58:00 +0100
MrCheerful wrote:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....iding-13575403

I'd
quite like to see pedestrians lurking in doorways and "accidentally"
stepping in front of pavement cyclists, maybe just enough to catch the
end of the handlebar ...


I remember a woman doing this to me at a traffic lights. The light was
red so I rode up and stopped as she was crossing. She looked at me the
whole time. When she got to the curb she stepped up and then stepped
back into the road to block my path, as if she thought I was going to go
through the red lights the minute she had crossed.

I sat there watching bemusedly and thought to myself if she was so
concerned about cyclists riding through red lights why did she
deliberately try to cause a collision.

Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

On 08/09/2017 11:39, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/09/17 01:06, JNugent wrote:
On 07/09/2017 15:59, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:58:00 +0100
MrCheerful wrote:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....iding-13575403


They'll probably have a couple of community support officers standing
outside for a few hours.Â* It's a shame that people who thought there
was a problem there didn't approach police about it, and a shame that
the police, if they had been approached, probably wouldn't have
bothered about it until a serious incident like this occurred.Â* I'd
quite like to see pedestrians lurking in doorways and "accidentally"
stepping in front of pavement cyclists, maybe just enough to catch the
end of the handlebar ...

Is that what you think the victim did?

You really do have a strange mind; nothing in the above suggests any
kind of thinking in that direction.

Perhaps what is needed to reduce close passes outside shop doors are
obstructions on the pavement, such as plant troughs... or free to use
bicycle pumps.

Or occasional cattle grids, arranged longitudinally in line with the
direction of pedestrian travel.


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Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

On 08/09/17 13:39, JNugent wrote:
On 08/09/2017 11:39, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/09/17 01:06, JNugent wrote:
On 07/09/2017 15:59, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:58:00 +0100 MrCheerful
wrote:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....iding-13575403



They'll probably have a couple of community support officers
standing outside for a few hours. It's a shame that people who
thought there was a problem there didn't approach police about
it, and a shame that the police, if they had been approached,
probably wouldn't have bothered about it until a serious
incident like this occurred. I'd quite like to see pedestrians
lurking in doorways and "accidentally" stepping in front of
pavement cyclists, maybe just enough to catch the end of the
handlebar ...

Is that what you think the victim did?

You really do have a strange mind; nothing in the above suggests
any kind of thinking in that direction.

Perhaps what is needed to reduce close passes outside shop doors
are obstructions on the pavement, such as plant troughs... or free
to use bicycle pumps.

Or occasional cattle grids, arranged longitudinally in line with the
direction of pedestrian travel.

Possibly, though putting something down with no purpose other than to
trap and cause harm might be rather harsh.

Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

On 09/09/2017 00:32, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/09/17 13:39, JNugent wrote:
On 08/09/2017 11:39, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/09/17 01:06, JNugent wrote:
On 07/09/2017 15:59, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:58:00 +0100 MrCheerful
wrote:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....iding-13575403

They'll probably have a couple of community support officers
standing outside for a few hours.Â* It's a shame that people who
thought there was a problem there didn't approach police about
it, and a shame that the police, if they had been approached,
probably wouldn't have bothered about it until a serious
incident like this occurred.Â* I'd quite like to see pedestrians
lurking in doorways and "accidentally" stepping in front of
pavement cyclists, maybe just enough to catch the end of the
handlebar ...

Is that what you think the victim did?

You really do have a strange mind; nothing in the above suggests
any kind of thinking in that direction.

Perhaps what is needed to reduce close passes outside shop doors
are obstructions on the pavement, such as plant troughs... or free
to use bicycle pumps.

Or occasional cattle grids, arranged longitudinally in line with the
direction of pedestrian travel.

Possibly, though putting something down with no purpose other than to
trap and cause harm might be rather harsh.

The purpose would *not* be to trap or harm anyone. Everyone already
knows that cycling is not permitted on footways and in other
pedestrian-only areas.

Preventing cycling along footways by physical means is no different in
principle from placing obstacles to prevent motor-vehicles with three or
more wheels from being driven onto footways or into specified pedestrian
zones.

Sensible people would not oppose that measure in either case.

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Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

On 09/09/17 00:39, JNugent wrote:
On 09/09/2017 00:32, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/09/17 13:39, JNugent wrote:
On 08/09/2017 11:39, TMS320 wrote:

Perhaps what is needed to reduce close passes outside shop doors
are obstructions on the pavement, such as plant troughs... or free
to use bicycle pumps.

Or occasional cattle grids, arranged longitudinally in line with the
direction of pedestrian travel.

Possibly, though putting something down with no purpose other than to
trap and cause harm might be rather harsh.

The purpose would *not* be to trap or harm anyone. Everyone already
knows that cycling is not permitted on footways and in other
pedestrian-only areas.

Preventing cycling along footways by physical means is no different in
principle from placing obstacles to prevent motor-vehicles with three or
more wheels from being driven onto footways or into specified pedestrian
zones.

If you want prevention you stop or discourage people from going where
you don't want them to go. Prevention is not about harming them if they
go there.

Your suggestion is rather like fitting RPGs to speed cameras.

Sensible people would not oppose that measure in either case.

Many people that don't ride bicycles aren't sensible about cycling.

Pavement cyclist mows down OAP, breaking her hip
 

On 09/09/2017 12:40, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/09/17 00:39, JNugent wrote:
On 09/09/2017 00:32, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/09/17 13:39, JNugent wrote:
On 08/09/2017 11:39, TMS320 wrote:

Perhaps what is needed to reduce close passes outside shop doors
are obstructions on the pavement, such as plant troughs... or free
to use bicycle pumps.

Or occasional cattle grids, arranged longitudinally in line with the
direction of pedestrian travel.

Possibly, though putting something down with no purpose other than to
trap and cause harm might be rather harsh.

The purpose would *not* be to trap or harm anyone. Everyone already
knows that cycling is not permitted on footways and in other
pedestrian-only areas.

Preventing cycling along footways by physical means is no different in
principle from placing obstacles to prevent motor-vehicles with three
or more wheels from being driven onto footways or into specified
pedestrian zones.

If you want prevention you stop or discourage people from going where
you don't want them to go. Prevention is not about harming them if they
go there.

No-one will harm them.

They might harm themselves, just as they will if they try to cycle
through a locked gate, or a brick wall.

Your suggestion is rather like fitting RPGs to speed cameras.

Not in the slightest.

Sensible people would not oppose that measure in either case.

Many people that don't ride bicycles aren't sensible about cycling.

You said it.