So, what happened to Mikey V.
 

Yes, Terri Alvillar was married on October 30, 2010 so I would assume
the other man at the courthouse was her husband. In her wedding
picture she looks to be at least 20 years older than her Facebook and
real estate website photos.

Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...

http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-cont...-and-birds.jpg

So, what happened to Mikey V.
 

?"Bill Weir" wrote in message
...

Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...

http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-cont...-and-birds.jpg

Where's the hand saw?

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 1/15/2011 8:01 PM, Bill Sornson wrote:
?"Bill Weir" wrote in message
...

Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...

http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-cont...-and-birds.jpg


Where's the hand saw?


Mikey is busy drinking this beer, since it combines his love of mountain
biking with cutting down trees to make a tree fort:
http://www.blogsmonroe.com/beer/pics/treefort.jpg.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On Jan 15, 7:33*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 1/15/2011 8:01 PM, Bill Sornson wrote:

?"Bill Weir" wrote in message
....

Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...

http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-cont.../st-francis-of....

Where's the hand saw?

Mikey is busy drinking this beer, since it combines his love of mountain
biking with cutting down trees to make a tree fort:
http://www.blogsmonroe.com/beer/pics/treefort.jpg.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

Haven't seen much of his retarded buddy Ed Dolan lately - did he
freeze to death or something?

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 1/24/2011 11:58 PM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
On Jan 15, 7:33 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 1/15/2011 8:01 PM, Bill Sornson wrote:

?"Bill Weir" wrote in message
...

Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...

http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-cont.../st-francis-of...

Where's the hand saw?

Mikey is busy drinking this beer, since it combines his love of mountain
biking with cutting down trees to make a tree fort:
http://www.blogsmonroe.com/beer/pics/treefort.jpg.

Please honor the signature separator (i.e. "-- ").

Haven't seen much of his retarded buddy Ed Dolan lately - did he
freeze to death or something?

He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" " wrote in
message ...
On 1/24/2011 11:58 PM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
[...]
Haven't seen much of his retarded buddy Ed Dolan lately - did he
freeze to death or something?

All I ever see on RBS these days are the idiot posts of TM. I never read
them of course, I just delete them.

Oh, by the way, "**** you too Asshole"!

He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)

Alas, Mr. Sherman has yet to find my sense of humor. If and when he ever
does, it will be a revelation to us all!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On Jan 25, 5:26*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

All I ever see on RBS these days are the idiot posts of TM. I never read
them of course, I just delete them.

Oh, by the way, "**** you too Asshole"!

He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)

Alas, Mr. Sherman has yet to find my sense of humor. If and when he ever
does, it will be a revelation to us all!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Damn! I thought Ed was finally extinct - oh well - at least we still
have the retard-o-ness to laugh at!

With regard to humor, Tom Sherman is Samuel Langhorn Clemens compared
to Ed Dolan's brick.

So, what happened to all the asshole mountain bikers?
 

"Bruce Jensen" wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 5:26 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

All I ever see on RBS these days are the idiot posts of TM. I never read
them of course, I just delete them.

Oh, by the way, "**** you too Asshole"!

He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)

Alas, Mr. Sherman has yet to find my sense of humor. If and when he ever
does, it will be a revelation to us all!

Damn! I thought Ed was finally extinct - oh well - at least we still
have the retard-o-ness to laugh at!

With regard to humor, Tom Sherman is Samuel Langhorn Clemens compared
to Ed Dolan's brick.

Mr. Sherman's humor is juvenile and that is the type it appeals to. My humor
is insidious and never pleasant. That is because it is adult humor and has
some point to it.

Oh, by the way, **** you too Asshole!

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to all the asshole mountain bikers?
 

On Jan 25, 11:08*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Bruce Jensen" wrote in message

...
On Jan 25, 5:26 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

All I ever see on RBS these days are the idiot posts of TM. I never read
them of course, I just delete them.

Oh, by the way, "**** you too Asshole"!

He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)

Alas, Mr. Sherman has yet to find my sense of humor. If and when he ever
does, it will be a revelation to us all!
Damn! *I thought Ed was finally extinct - oh well - at least we still

have the retard-o-ness to laugh at!

With regard to humor, Tom Sherman is Samuel Langhorn Clemens compared

to Ed Dolan's brick.

Mr. Sherman's humor is juvenile and that is the type it appeals to. My humor
is insidious and never pleasant. That is because it is adult humor and has
some point to it.

Oh, by the way, **** you too Asshole!

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Tom's humor is like a tiny sharp needle that hits you like an
invincible mosquito. You're an easy target to sting.

When *you* say "My humor" it's an oxymoron. You, OTOH, are just a
plain MORON.

So, what happened to all the asshole mountain bikers?
 

"Bruce Jensen" wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 11:08 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
Mr. Sherman's humor is juvenile and that is the type it appeals to. My
humor
is insidious and never pleasant. That is because it is adult humor and has
some point to it.

Oh, by the way, **** you too Asshole!

Tom's humor is like a tiny sharp needle that hits you like an
invincible mosquito. You're an easy target to sting.

Of course his humor appeals to you since you are a juvenile yourself.

When *you* say "My humor" it's an oxymoron. You, OTOH, are just a
plain MORON.

Tom and I understand one another perfectly just like you and I understand
one another perfectly. Truth be told, we all all just a bunch of assholes
when it comes to these newsgroups.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On Jan 25, 12:38*am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
some stuff

Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
On Jan 25, 12:38 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
some stuff

Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

It was a mistrial.

http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/

So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
could be a while.

What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.

On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On Feb 17, 8:23*am, SMS wrote:
On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:

On Jan 25, 12:38 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" *wrote:
some stuff

Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

It was a mistrial.

http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/

So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
could be a while.

What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.

On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. The biker
deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
asshole scofflaw.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

"Bruce Jensen" wrote in message
...
On Feb 17, 8:23 am, SMS wrote:
On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:

On Jan 25, 12:38 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
some stuff

Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

It was a mistrial.

http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/

So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
could be a while.

What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.

On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. The biker
deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
asshole scofflaw.

This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all, he
tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
sense at least.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 2/17/2011 6:33 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"Bruce wrote in message
...
On Feb 17, 8:23 am, wrote:
On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:

On Jan 25, 12:38 am, T�m Sherm�n� �_�""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
some stuff

Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

It was a mistrial.

http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/

So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
could be a while.

What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.

On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. The biker
deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
asshole scofflaw.

This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all, he
tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
sense at least.

Hey Ed, I think you are confusing Bruce Jensen and Jeff Strickland.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
message ...
On 2/17/2011 6:33 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"Bruce wrote in message
...
On Feb 17, 8:23 am, wrote:
On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:

On Jan 25, 12:38 am, T?m Sherm?n? ?_?""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
some stuff

Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

It was a mistrial.

http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/

So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
could be a while.

What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.

On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. The biker
deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
asshole scofflaw.

This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all,
he
tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
sense at least.

Hey Ed, I think you are confusing Bruce Jensen and Jeff Strickland.

I have to laugh! Mr. Sherman is absolutely correct. That is what I like most
about him. He has a memory for what is said on these forums like no one
else. He is truly a repository of lore for these cycling newsgroups.

I have never known Bruce Jensen to be anything but an asshole, but his
remark about mountain bikers being asshole scofflaws led me astray
momentarily.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On Feb 17, 10:23*am, SMS wrote:
On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

It was a mistrial.

http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/

So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
could be a while.

What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.

On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
take the 120 day plea bargain.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On Feb 17, 8:01*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"T m Sherm nT _ " " wrote in
...





On 2/17/2011 6:33 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"Bruce *wrote in message
....
On Feb 17, 8:23 am, *wrote:
On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:

On Jan 25, 12:38 am, T?m Sherm?n? ?_?""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" *wrote:
some stuff

Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

It was a mistrial.

http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/

So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
could be a while.

What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.

On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. *The biker
deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
asshole scofflaw.

This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all,
he
tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
sense at least.

Hey Ed, I think you are confusing Bruce Jensen and Jeff Strickland.

I have to laugh! Mr. Sherman is absolutely correct. That is what I like most
about him. He has a memory for what is said on these forums like no one
else. He is truly a repository of lore for these cycling newsgroups.

I have never known Bruce Jensen to be anything but an asshole, but his
remark about mountain bikers being asshole scofflaws led me astray
momentarily.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ed Dolan is STILL a 'tard! :-D

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On Feb 17, 6:49*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 2/17/2011 6:33 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:



"Bruce *wrote in message
....
On Feb 17, 8:23 am, *wrote:
On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:

On Jan 25, 12:38 am, T m Sherm n _ ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" *wrote:
some stuff

Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

It was a mistrial.

http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/

So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
could be a while.

What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.

On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. *The biker
deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
asshole scofflaw.

This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all, he
tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
sense at least.

Hey Ed, I think you are confusing Bruce Jensen and Jeff Strickland.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ed Dolan confuses himself with a human.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 2/18/2011 7:26 AM, Opus wrote:

Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
take the 120 day plea bargain.

If he's found guilty then he doesn't get to take the plea bargain. If
it's another mistrial or a hung jury then he's got to hope that the DA
tires of the case and doesn't keep trying for a conviction. I think the
potential for a hung jury is pretty high because the defense only needs
to get one bicycle-hater on the jury.

In any event he's really already lost because a) UC can still ban him
from their land no matter what the outcome of the trial (Strawberry
Canyon and the East-West fire road where the incident took place), b)
he's spent a lot of money on lawyer fees, and c) he's already spent some
time in jail, and that jail is a very unpleasant place.

He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

"Bruce Jensen" wrote in message
...
[...]

Ed Dolan confuses himself with a human.

**** you too Asshole!

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

"SMS" wrote in message
...
On 2/18/2011 7:26 AM, Opus wrote:

Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
take the 120 day plea bargain.

If he's found guilty then he doesn't get to take the plea bargain. If it's
another mistrial or a hung jury then he's got to hope that the DA tires of
the case and doesn't keep trying for a conviction. I think the potential
for a hung jury is pretty high because the defense only needs to get one
bicycle-hater on the jury.

He means "one mountain bicycle-hater" of course. Ride your bicycle on ROADS
and no one objects except possibly some motor vehicle drivers.

In any event he's really already lost because a) UC can still ban him from
their land no matter what the outcome of the trial (Strawberry Canyon and
the East-West fire road where the incident took place), b) he's spent a
lot of money on lawyer fees, and c) he's already spent some time in jail,
and that jail is a very unpleasant place.

All of the above is nothing but sheer conjecture of course ... or is it
wishful thinking?

He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on hiking
trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in their
heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mike The Ripper
 

In article , SMS says...

On 2/18/2011 7:26 AM, Opus wrote:

Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
take the 120 day plea bargain.

If he's found guilty then he doesn't get to take the plea bargain. If
it's another mistrial or a hung jury then he's got to hope that the DA
tires of the case and doesn't keep trying for a conviction. I think the
potential for a hung jury is pretty high because the defense only needs
to get one bicycle-hater on the jury.

In any event he's really already lost because a) UC can still ban him
from their land no matter what the outcome of the trial (Strawberry
Canyon and the East-West fire road where the incident took place), b)
he's spent a lot of money on lawyer fees, and c) he's already spent some
time in jail, and that jail is a very unpleasant place.

He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is he'll
move on to something "bigger and better".

I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.

Bob Berger once again shits on the group!
 

"Bob Berger" wrote in message
...
[...]
Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
he'll
move on to something "bigger and better".

I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.

Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
scoundrel who is evil through and through.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On Feb 18, 9:10*am, SMS wrote:
He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
behavior that got him into all this trouble.

You're kidding, right?

JD

Bob Berger once again shits on the group!
 

In article ,
"Edward Dolan" wrote:

"Bob Berger" wrote in message
...
[...]
Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
he'll
move on to something "bigger and better".

I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.

Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
scoundrel who is evil through and through.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
they were...

Me One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....

Bob Berger once again shits on the group!
 

"Me" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Edward Dolan" wrote:

"Bob Berger" wrote in message
...
[...]
Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
he'll
move on to something "bigger and better".

I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.

Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
scoundrel who is evil through and through.

Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
they were...

Me One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....

Nope, you can't. If you could you would realize that anyone who blathers
about 30 round clips is as crazy as you are.

But in any event, you are an anonymous ****head who hides behind a user
name. Your cowardice speaks for itself.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 2/18/2011 7:26 AM, Opus wrote:

Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
take the 120 day plea bargain.

If he's found guilty then he doesn't get to take the plea bargain. If it's
another mistrial or a hung jury then he's got to hope that the DA tires of
the case and doesn't keep trying for a conviction. I think the potential
for a hung jury is pretty high because the defense only needs to get one
bicycle-hater on the jury.

He means "one mountain bicycle-hater" of course. Ride your bicycle on ROADS
and no one objects except possibly some motor vehicle drivers.

In any event he's really already lost because a) UC can still ban him from
their land no matter what the outcome of the trial (Strawberry Canyon and
the East-West fire road where the incident took place), b) he's spent a
lot of money on lawyer fees, and c) he's already spent some time in jail,
and that jail is a very unpleasant place.

All of the above is nothing but sheer conjecture of course ... or is it
wishful thinking?

He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on hiking
trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in their
heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.

What irks us is that his crusade is really against
all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.

Bob Berger once again shits on the group!
 

In article , Me says...

In article ,
"Edward Dolan" wrote:

"Bob Berger" wrote in message
...
[...]
Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
he'll
move on to something "bigger and better".

I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.

Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
scoundrel who is evil through and through.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
they were...

Hmmm... Good point. I hadn't thought of the BFC analogy, though I've had quite a
bit of experience with those loons. (Hell, I'm even on their list of potential
contributors).

Me One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....

Bob Berger once again shits on the group!
 

"Bob Berger" wrote in message
...

Edward Dolan wrote:

Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain
bikers
all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger,
a
scoundrel who is evil through and through.

Some Asshole wrote:

Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
they were...

Hmmm... Good point. I hadn't thought of the BFC analogy, though I've had
quite a
bit of experience with those loons. (Hell, I'm even on their list of
potential
contributors).

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock.
You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish
foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless
crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You
cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry ****head cockup pratting
naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted
fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 18/02/11 17:10, SMS wrote:

He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

I'd be happy if that were the case, but.. for some values of
"certainly"... Where has he ever showed any ability to learn about
realities of cycling and cyclists before now?

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 02/20/2011 05:42 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on hiking
trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in their
heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!

I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.

What irks us is that his crusade is really against
all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.

Mr. Vandeman is a purist and I am not. Frankly, I think the world is going
to Hell and there is not much any of us can do to save it. Mr. Vandeman's
esthete does not bother me because I know it is doomed. But still it is nice
to see high standards being upheld by someone.

In the end, it is only a few wilderness areas that will be preserved.
Everything else will be given over to the most crass use of recreation. In a
few more generations, there will be nothing left. Mr. Vandeman is an
optimist and I am a pessimist. Never the twain shall meet.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.

I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace
and equality of all people to take place on November 11 of last
year. Also, while I'm not particularly a believer in Abrahamic
religions, I was raised in the traditions so I know the
literature. I also live in a beautiful place as I suspect that
you do also.

----------------------Begin quoting myself:

A proper response requires a book. I may write it someday but not yet. I
may leave it for someone else to write.

A million people is a drop in the bucket.

I have a great problem with the transmission of psychic energy as
proposed by mystics.

Nobody really wants to change the status quo. They just want it to
pertain to more people. And that's the problem.

There is a passage in Matthew
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will
eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more
than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the
air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your
heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the
field grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even
Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is
how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow
is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little
faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall
we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all
these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But
seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will
be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for
tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

There is also Daniel Quinn's retelling of the Genesis story of Eden and
Cain and Abel.

Humans have an animal nature. When, also being self-aware, they decided
that they could circumvent that nature all hell broke loose
(literally/actually). We survived several million years with "enough".
The release from that concept created both its opposite and its
culmination, poverty and wealth. Poverty is "not enough" and wealth is
"too much". Having not enough causes an individual to want more. Too
much causes an individual to want more. Those with too much also have
power. Power is the invention of the poverty/wealth dichotomy.

To change the human paradigm we must re-define the concept of "enough",
provide every human on earth with that, no more no less. It's possible,
the concept of poverty/wealth has only been with us for maybe 12,000
years out of several million that we've been here.

That being said, a million people thinking the same thought is not going
to change anything. There are what, almost 7 billion people on Earth?
And growing? Most with not enough? It's not going to change given our
current political atmosphere any where on the globe. That many people is
an unsustainable number. There is no way that many people will ever have
enough. It's not possible.

Technology won't do it either. There will be a population tipping point
and it will crash. This will change the paradigm. Whether we like it or
not. When will this happen? I don't know. Technology is keeping us
afloat for the nonce, but it won't continue forever. It will crash.

You and I can take heart that we won't see it. We will finish our lives
in a place of beauty with enough. Our kids? They may be in danger but
probably not. Our grandkids are getting closer. A hundred years? Maybe,
or a thousand years. My prediction is somewhere between the two.

Now there will be survivors. Those who recognize the probability that
there will be a population crash should be quietly developing survival
skills which will work where they are now. The need in many areas will
be to learn a subsistence form of farming which will allow small groups
to survive and prosper with "enough". There needs be no "cash crops" or
other forms for trade, there won't be any.

Learn "enough". Throw out anyone who claims to speak for God, either as
a political leader or a religious leader. Tend your garden, love your
family, respect your community and obey the law of nature.

----------------------End quoting myself.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

Per VtSkier:
So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.

I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace

I'm another cynic/pessimist.

But I temper it with the story about the inventor in the 1800's
that supposedly committed suicide because there was nothing left
to invent.
--
PeteCresswell

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 2/21/2011 10:27 AM, VtSkier wrote:
On 02/20/2011 05:42 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on
hiking
trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in
their
heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!

I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.

What irks us is that his crusade is really against
all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.

Mr. Vandeman is a purist and I am not. Frankly, I think the world is
going
to Hell and there is not much any of us can do to save it. Mr. Vandeman's
esthete does not bother me because I know it is doomed. But still it
is nice
to see high standards being upheld by someone.

In the end, it is only a few wilderness areas that will be preserved.
Everything else will be given over to the most crass use of
recreation. In a
few more generations, there will be nothing left. Mr. Vandeman is an
optimist and I am a pessimist. Never the twain shall meet.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.

I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace
and equality of all people to take place on November 11 of last
year. Also, while I'm not particularly a believer in Abrahamic
religions, I was raised in the traditions so I know the
literature. I also live in a beautiful place as I suspect that
you do also.

----------------------Begin quoting myself:

A proper response requires a book. I may write it someday but not yet. I
may leave it for someone else to write.

A million people is a drop in the bucket.

I have a great problem with the transmission of psychic energy as
proposed by mystics.

Nobody really wants to change the status quo. They just want it to
pertain to more people. And that's the problem.

There is a passage in Matthew
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will
eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more
than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the
air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your
heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field
grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon
in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God
clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is
thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little
faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall
we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all
these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But
seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will
be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for
tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

There is also Daniel Quinn's retelling of the Genesis story of Eden and
Cain and Abel.

Humans have an animal nature. When, also being self-aware, they decided
that they could circumvent that nature all hell broke loose
(literally/actually). We survived several million years with "enough".
The release from that concept created both its opposite and its
culmination, poverty and wealth. Poverty is "not enough" and wealth is
"too much". Having not enough causes an individual to want more. Too
much causes an individual to want more. Those with too much also have
power. Power is the invention of the poverty/wealth dichotomy.

To change the human paradigm we must re-define the concept of "enough",
provide every human on earth with that, no more no less. It's possible,
the concept of poverty/wealth has only been with us for maybe 12,000
years out of several million that we've been here.

That being said, a million people thinking the same thought is not going
to change anything. There are what, almost 7 billion people on Earth?
And growing? Most with not enough? It's not going to change given our
current political atmosphere any where on the globe. That many people is
an unsustainable number. There is no way that many people will ever have
enough. It's not possible.

Technology won't do it either. There will be a population tipping point
and it will crash. This will change the paradigm. Whether we like it or
not. When will this happen? I don't know. Technology is keeping us
afloat for the nonce, but it won't continue forever. It will crash.

You and I can take heart that we won't see it. We will finish our lives
in a place of beauty with enough. Our kids? They may be in danger but
probably not. Our grandkids are getting closer. A hundred years? Maybe,
or a thousand years. My prediction is somewhere between the two.

Now there will be survivors. Those who recognize the probability that
there will be a population crash should be quietly developing survival
skills which will work where they are now. The need in many areas will
be to learn a subsistence form of farming which will allow small groups
to survive and prosper with "enough". There needs be no "cash crops" or
other forms for trade, there won't be any.

Learn "enough". Throw out anyone who claims to speak for God, either as
a political leader or a religious leader. Tend your garden, love your
family, respect your community and obey the law of nature.

----------------------End quoting myself.

The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
(the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 02/21/2011 07:50 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 2/21/2011 10:27 AM, VtSkier wrote:
On 02/20/2011 05:42 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on
hiking
trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in
their
heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!

I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.

What irks us is that his crusade is really against
all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.

Mr. Vandeman is a purist and I am not. Frankly, I think the world is
going
to Hell and there is not much any of us can do to save it. Mr.
Vandeman's
esthete does not bother me because I know it is doomed. But still it
is nice
to see high standards being upheld by someone.

In the end, it is only a few wilderness areas that will be preserved.
Everything else will be given over to the most crass use of
recreation. In a
few more generations, there will be nothing left. Mr. Vandeman is an
optimist and I am a pessimist. Never the twain shall meet.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.

I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace
and equality of all people to take place on November 11 of last
year. Also, while I'm not particularly a believer in Abrahamic
religions, I was raised in the traditions so I know the
literature. I also live in a beautiful place as I suspect that
you do also.

----------------------Begin quoting myself:

A proper response requires a book. I may write it someday but not yet. I
may leave it for someone else to write.

A million people is a drop in the bucket.

I have a great problem with the transmission of psychic energy as
proposed by mystics.

Nobody really wants to change the status quo. They just want it to
pertain to more people. And that's the problem.

There is a passage in Matthew
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will
eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more
than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the
air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your
heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field
grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon
in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God
clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is
thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little
faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall
we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all
these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But
seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will
be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for
tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its
own."

There is also Daniel Quinn's retelling of the Genesis story of Eden and
Cain and Abel.

Humans have an animal nature. When, also being self-aware, they decided
that they could circumvent that nature all hell broke loose
(literally/actually). We survived several million years with "enough".
The release from that concept created both its opposite and its
culmination, poverty and wealth. Poverty is "not enough" and wealth is
"too much". Having not enough causes an individual to want more. Too
much causes an individual to want more. Those with too much also have
power. Power is the invention of the poverty/wealth dichotomy.

To change the human paradigm we must re-define the concept of "enough",
provide every human on earth with that, no more no less. It's possible,
the concept of poverty/wealth has only been with us for maybe 12,000
years out of several million that we've been here.

That being said, a million people thinking the same thought is not going
to change anything. There are what, almost 7 billion people on Earth?
And growing? Most with not enough? It's not going to change given our
current political atmosphere any where on the globe. That many people is
an unsustainable number. There is no way that many people will ever have
enough. It's not possible.

Technology won't do it either. There will be a population tipping point
and it will crash. This will change the paradigm. Whether we like it or
not. When will this happen? I don't know. Technology is keeping us
afloat for the nonce, but it won't continue forever. It will crash.

You and I can take heart that we won't see it. We will finish our lives
in a place of beauty with enough. Our kids? They may be in danger but
probably not. Our grandkids are getting closer. A hundred years? Maybe,
or a thousand years. My prediction is somewhere between the two.

Now there will be survivors. Those who recognize the probability that
there will be a population crash should be quietly developing survival
skills which will work where they are now. The need in many areas will
be to learn a subsistence form of farming which will allow small groups
to survive and prosper with "enough". There needs be no "cash crops" or
other forms for trade, there won't be any.

Learn "enough". Throw out anyone who claims to speak for God, either as
a political leader or a religious leader. Tend your garden, love your
family, respect your community and obey the law of nature.

----------------------End quoting myself.

The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
(the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.

Well, if the "worthless eaters" die off, there will
be nothing/no one left to exploit. Who takes out the
trash, for instance.

I don't see it that way. The elites will die off
as quickly as anyone else, especially if they don't
have any survival skills, like farming, AND there
won't be anyone left to do it for them.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

"VtSkier" wrote in message
...
On 02/20/2011 05:42 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on
hiking
trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in
their
heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!

I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.

What irks us is that his crusade is really against
all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.

Mr. Vandeman is a purist and I am not. Frankly, I think the world is
going
to Hell and there is not much any of us can do to save it. Mr. Vandeman's
esthete does not bother me because I know it is doomed. But still it is
nice
to see high standards being upheld by someone.

In the end, it is only a few wilderness areas that will be preserved.
Everything else will be given over to the most crass use of recreation.
In a
few more generations, there will be nothing left. Mr. Vandeman is an
optimist and I am a pessimist. Never the twain shall meet.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.

I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace
and equality of all people to take place on November 11 of last
year. Also, while I'm not particularly a believer in Abrahamic
religions, I was raised in the traditions so I know the
literature. I also live in a beautiful place as I suspect that
you do also.

----------------------Begin quoting myself:

A proper response requires a book. I may write it someday but not yet. I
may leave it for someone else to write.

A million people is a drop in the bucket.

I have a great problem with the transmission of psychic energy as proposed
by mystics.

Nobody really wants to change the status quo. They just want it to pertain
to more people. And that's the problem.

There is a passage in Matthew
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat
or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than
food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air;
they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly
Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any
one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the
field grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even
Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is
how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow
is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little
faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we
drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these
things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek
first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be
given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for
tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

There is also Daniel Quinn's retelling of the Genesis story of Eden and
Cain and Abel.

Humans have an animal nature. When, also being self-aware, they decided
that they could circumvent that nature all hell broke loose
(literally/actually). We survived several million years with "enough". The
release from that concept created both its opposite and its culmination,
poverty and wealth. Poverty is "not enough" and wealth is "too much".
Having not enough causes an individual to want more. Too much causes an
individual to want more. Those with too much also have power. Power is the
invention of the poverty/wealth dichotomy.

To change the human paradigm we must re-define the concept of "enough",
provide every human on earth with that, no more no less. It's possible,
the concept of poverty/wealth has only been with us for maybe 12,000 years
out of several million that we've been here.

That being said, a million people thinking the same thought is not going
to change anything. There are what, almost 7 billion people on Earth? And
growing? Most with not enough? It's not going to change given our current
political atmosphere any where on the globe. That many people is an
unsustainable number. There is no way that many people will ever have
enough. It's not possible.

Technology won't do it either. There will be a population tipping point
and it will crash. This will change the paradigm. Whether we like it or
not. When will this happen? I don't know. Technology is keeping us afloat
for the nonce, but it won't continue forever. It will crash.

You and I can take heart that we won't see it. We will finish our lives in
a place of beauty with enough. Our kids? They may be in danger but
probably not. Our grandkids are getting closer. A hundred years? Maybe, or
a thousand years. My prediction is somewhere between the two.

Now there will be survivors. Those who recognize the probability that
there will be a population crash should be quietly developing survival
skills which will work where they are now. The need in many areas will be
to learn a subsistence form of farming which will allow small groups to
survive and prosper with "enough". There needs be no "cash crops" or other
forms for trade, there won't be any.

Learn "enough". Throw out anyone who claims to speak for God, either as a
political leader or a religious leader. Tend your garden, love your
family, respect your community and obey the law of nature.

----------------------End quoting myself.

I agree! The future looks grim. Glad I won't be here to experience it.
Instead, I will be resting peacefully in the local cemetery.

By the way, expressions of philosophy on Usenet must be short and to the
point. No one will ever read anything the least bit longwinded.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

"VtSkier" wrote in message
...
On 02/21/2011 07:50 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
[...]
The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
(the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.

Well, if the "worthless eaters" die off, there will
be nothing/no one left to exploit. Who takes out the
trash, for instance.

I don't see it that way. The elites will die off
as quickly as anyone else, especially if they don't
have any survival skills, like farming, AND there
won't be anyone left to do it for them.

Yo have surely got that right VtSkier!

It is no fun being rich if you do not also have power over others. In fact,
liberals-socialists-communists would rather have power over others than be
rich. That is how it has played out everywhere it has been tried. But try to
convince Tom Sherman of that. Nope, it can't be done because he is an
ideologue. It is one of the worst diseases that the human mind is prey to.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

"Peter Clinch" wrote in message
...
On 18/02/11 17:10, SMS wrote:

He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

I'd be happy if that were the case, but.. for some values of
"certainly"... Where has he ever showed any ability to learn about
realities of cycling and cyclists before now?

Mr. Vandeman and I are convinced that mountain bikes have no place on hiking
trails. Nothing is ever going to persuade us any differently. Is that clear
enough!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" " wrote in
message ...

The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
(the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.

The elites :-) I love the smell of a good conspiracy theory in the morning.

There isn't much we can do about the global climate change. Mother Nature
and all that. Slowing the population growth is the only solution to
ecological depletion. Figure out a way to stop every third world country
from ****ting out so many kids and you will have accomplished something.

So, what happened to Mikey "Handsaw" V?
 

On 2/20/2011 1:31 PM, VtSkier wrote:

I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.

The alleged incident did not take place on a hiking trail, it took place
on a fire road that is signed for no bicycles. There's a big difference
actually. A lot of private land owners that permit public access put up
such signs for liability protection. Without such signs, someone gets
hurt and can claim that the landowner did not warn people about the
condition of the roads.

What irks us is that his crusade is really against
all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.

Vandeman's goal of protecting wilderness has merit. But he's so
_incredibly_ confused about the relative impacts of different activities
on wilderness. Every study on the subject has shown that the impact of
mountain bikers is not any more than the impact of hikers, and less than
that of equestrians, and actually the mountain bike impact is often less
than that of hikers. Vandeman should be redirecting his time and energy
into campaigning against snowmobiles and other motorized off-road vehicles.

The reality is that hikers often make trails unpleasant for use by
mountain bikers and vice-versa. They have to learn to share somehow.
Scheduling some days for each group of users would be fair. It's not a
question of who was there first.