The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
 

Alistair Gunn wrote:
Just zis Guy, you know? twisted the electrons to say:
So we recommended that he enclose and air condition the mixing bay and
start the mixing crew two hours before the main shift.

What was the response?

Obviously that he wanted us to build the automated balance testing
system first and /then/ look at the mixing bay project, which was
cheaper and would make the balance testing system redundant.

I think the clear fault there was giving the client what they needed, as
opposed to what they said they'd wanted! :-)

You have there the major difference between a soft systems analysis and
the hard systems approach.

Up till now the helmets issue has I think , been seen by Whitehall as
requiring a hard systems approach of "Here is our target, reducing
deaths by increasing helmet wearing, how do achieve it" , rather than
the soft systems idea of "What is the problem , from all viewpoints, and
how do we cure or ameliorate it to the best effect for all concerned?"
The same could be said of traffic planning in general since the 60's ,
but now I think I'm seeing some chinks of Soft Systems light appearing
in the talk of shared streets and open spaces.

The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bullshit
 

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:07:44 +0100, Marc
wrote:

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And again I would like to understand why anyone pays that much
attention to body technicians?

Perhaps because they are intelligent educated people who can think for
themselves, perhaps they have read some of the relevant literature,
they have a modicum of common sense and are not what may be called
****wits.

Now - what about yourself - why could you not understand?

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"Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking.

A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code.

The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
 

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:13:10 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

551 word diatribe snipped



My word Guy - I really do seem to have rattled your cage.

The BMA are promoting Safer Cycling

It is not difficult - however I suppose I am not surprised that you
can't quite see it - you need at least a modicum of intelligence.

Here we go:


If you wear a helmet then you will have reduced the chances of head
injury if you have an accident.

Therefore you may actually be "free from hurt or damage; unharmed" -
which as you know is what safer means.

Therefore if you wear a helmet - you may be safer.

There you go - 51 words - 500 less than you spouted.


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I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman)
I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy
Chapman)
I would challenge judith to find the place where I said I encourage
my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman)
I pointed out the web page
He then quickly changed the web page - but "forgot" to change the date
of last amendment so it looked like the change had been there for
years.

The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
 

"Judith Smith" wrote in message .

There you go - 51 words - 500 less than you spouted.

500 *fewer* words, not less words.

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Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
 

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:30:54 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote:

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I can't see helmet compulsion for adults ever coming in. The cycling lobby
is huge and when under attack or when needs must, closes ranks and comes
together.


Wishful thinking my old fruit.

The public at large will see it as justice and penance for all those V
signs given out by cyclists, all those riding on the pavement, all
those "Get on the motorway", all those jumping through red lights, all
those ignoring pedestrian crossings, all those .......

Get the drift?

It will happen - just a matter of time.

Why do you think that some of the ****wits here are actually
anti-helmet?

It is nothing to do with whether helmets are beneficial or not per se;
they just do not want more and more cyclists to wear them (as is
happening each year) as the baseline is not far away.


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"Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking.

A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code.

The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
 

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:43:40 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:27:06 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote:

The BMA also says it is bad for our health to consume more than two pints of
beer a day, which is tosh as well.

One of the more interesting points about this particular piece of work
is that it is deliberately based only on case-control studies, with
all conflicting evidence excluded. If they had adopted this policy in
respect of HRT and coronary heart disease then they would be advising
that HRT prevents heart disease. Luckily they investigated the
conflicting evidence and found that all the case-control studies had
similar confounding factors, leading to a conclusion which was wrong
in both magnitude and sign: the risk is actually slightly /increased/.

Guy


Cage still rattling Guy?

Get over it.

All they are doing is promoting safer cycling by encouraging the
wearing of helmets.

Surely, the reason that you encourage your children to wear helmets is
because you know that they will be safer?

The BMA are doing just what you are doing - being responsible.

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"Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking.

A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code.

The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bullshit
 

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:58:48 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:07:44 +0100, Marc
wrote:

And again I would like to understand why anyone pays that much
attention to body technicians?
If I want to know how to cycle safely, I consult a cycling coach, not a
cycle mechanic.

This is essentially what they are doing, much to the irritation of the
"cycle safety=helmets" mob.

Guy


Get over it Guy.

The BMA are made up of intelligent highly educated people who are
capable of assessing the relevant evidence, applying common sense, and
concluding that it is more beneficial to wear a helmet than it is not
too.

They encourage the public to wear a helmet.

It is a bit like you looking at all the evidence and then encouraging
your kids to wear a helmet.

It is called being responsible.

It's not anathema to you - is it?

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"Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking.

A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code.

The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
 

"Judith Smith" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:30:54 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote:

snip


I can't see helmet compulsion for adults ever coming in. The cycling lobby
is huge and when under attack or when needs must, closes ranks and comes
together.


Wishful thinking my old fruit.

The public at large will see it as justice and penance for all those V
signs given out by cyclists, all those riding on the pavement, all
those "Get on the motorway", all those jumping through red lights, all
those ignoring pedestrian crossings, all those .......


I can't imagine drivers sitting there pouring money into the air in their
steel prisons secretly wishing to get their "revenge" by putting plastic
hats on cyclists' heads? Surely, they secretly wish we would get head
injuries if they hate us so much, so why would they be concerned for our
safety?

Attacks are usually along the lines of "make them pay road tax" and carry
number plates so plod can track them down like they do to car drivers. I've
read a lot of tiresome "lycra lout" articles in newspapers, but not one
Clarkson type has ever wished to *impose* plastic hats on us. They wish us
harm normally.


--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
 

"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
...
Phil W Lee wrote:
considered Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:53:17 +0100
the perfect time to write:

Nothing of any consequence removed.

Nurse! she's out again!


We can't have anything about cycle helmets saving injuries published, can
we?

Especially when it has been reported that some people have been badly
injured whilst wearing helmets.



--
Tony the Dragon

The BMA Promote Safer Cycling (and helmets)
 

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:49:47 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote:

500 *fewer* words, not less words.

Oh the irony. The most prolific troll this group has ever seen, who
posts bull**** indefinitely after it's been clearly proven to be
bull****, sees fit to "reduce" the content of a post from someone who,
unlike her, rides a bike and is actually interested in cycling as
something other than an excuse for spewing hate.

And of course she employs the usual Liddite misdirection of assuming
there is no effect on the risk of collision. Funny how often they do
that, as if there was some real-world correlation between helmet use
and cycle safety. Which of course we know there isn't.

Funny, too, how she hasn't castigated the BMA for quoting Crook and
Feikh. Presumably she sees no problem with claiming that helmets are
more than 100% effective.

Still, it gave me an opportunity to visit Google Groups and find that
she's still trolling her bull**** about the page that never changed
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/The page that never changed.

Guy
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