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Conflicting radio reports. Apparently crash involved some
bicycles, a school bus, a delivery truck, a firearm and fatal police shot(s). http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3602094 http://nypost.com/2017/10/31/several...own-manhattan/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/10/...nt-in-tribeca/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 10/31/2017 3:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Conflicting radio reports. Apparently crash involved some bicycles, a school bus, a delivery truck, a firearm and fatal police shot(s). http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3602094 http://nypost.com/2017/10/31/several...own-manhattan/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/10/...nt-in-tribeca/ update: 5 dead, 16 injured, at least six bicycles mangled and smashed. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 10/31/2017 3:24 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/31/2017 3:13 PM, AMuzi wrote: Conflicting radio reports. Apparently crash involved some bicycles, a school bus, a delivery truck, a firearm and fatal police shot(s). http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3602094 http://nypost.com/2017/10/31/several...own-manhattan/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/10/...nt-in-tribeca/ update: 5 dead, 16 injured, at least six bicycles mangled and smashed. update: terrorist attack, FBI on scene -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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The killer's name is Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov. He deliberately targeted cyclists on a cycle path. Bystanders reported hearing him shout "Allahu Akbar". Clear sequence reported he
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...dent-manhattan AJ |
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:13:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
Conflicting radio reports. Apparently crash involved some bicycles, a school bus, a delivery truck, a firearm and fatal police shot(s). http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3602094 http://nypost.com/2017/10/31/several...own-manhattan/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/10/...nt-in-tribeca/ Even Muslims hate bicycles: https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/wor...ttack-by-truck -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:31:54 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/31/2017 3:24 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/31/2017 3:13 PM, AMuzi wrote: Conflicting radio reports. Apparently crash involved some bicycles, a school bus, a delivery truck, a firearm and fatal police shot(s). http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3602094 http://nypost.com/2017/10/31/several...own-manhattan/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/10/...nt-in-tribeca/ update: 5 dead, 16 injured, at least six bicycles mangled and smashed. update: terrorist attack, FBI on scene It turned out that my post highlighted the same incident as yours, above, Apparently when the bearded driver got out of the truck he said "Allahu akbar". The Bangkok Post has it that "The attacker was taken into custody after he was shot in the stomach by a New York City policeman, and neutralised". -- Cheers, John B. |
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Oddly, I first read about this incident in the London Telegraph -- rather high on the page. Exactly what the murderer thought he was doing isn't particularly important. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net |
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2017 10:11:44 +0700, John B wrote:
Even Muslims hate bicycles: Everybody hates bicycles, it is one of the few things that unites the world. Oh, sure, people *say* they like bikes... until said bike is being ridden on a road and holds them up for 3.1 seconds. Making light of a tragedy I should not be taken as. That's not the intent. It was a horrific incident. At this point we don't really know if he is a terrorist or a nut, but that doesn't make the slightest different to the victims and their families. Deep condolences to the loved ones of the victims and best wishes for the best possible recovery for the injured. There are too many ways in the world to get hurt or killed without people doing it deliberately. |
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On 01/11/2017 12:30 AM, Joy Beeson wrote:
Oddly, I first read about this incident in the London Telegraph -- rather high on the page. Exactly what the murderer thought he was doing isn't particularly important. On one hand I agree, it's not particularly important what he thought he was doing. But on the other hand, this attack isn't exactly an isolated incident. |
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On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 9:46:08 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2017 10:11:44 +0700, John B wrote: Even Muslims hate bicycles: Everybody hates bicycles, it is one of the few things that unites the world. Oh, sure, people *say* they like bikes... until said bike is being ridden on a road and holds them up for 3.1 seconds. Making light of a tragedy I should not be taken as. That's not the intent. It was a horrific incident. At this point we don't really know if he is a terrorist or a nut, but that doesn't make the slightest different to the victims and their families. Deep condolences to the loved ones of the victims and best wishes for the best possible recovery for the injured. There are too many ways in the world to get hurt or killed without people doing it deliberately. Tim, the group here doesn't understand sarcasm. I've had to talk to you about that before. |
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1 April, 1971
LINKS ARE FROM an email account so pasting into browser maybe necessary https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...I4MDA3NjgwOAS2 https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...I4MDA3NjgwOAS2 https://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/d...I4MDA3NjgwOAS2 |
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Reading al-Qtub (much like George Lincoln Rockwell or Mao or Karl Marx) makes one apprehensive of the readers who believe this crap. Scary stuff only in that not everyone laughs out loud while reading it. ))))))))))))))) this is my mommy this is my kitty cat this is godhead that is a Jew Allah is... man writes like a 3rd grade imbecile cooking a goat at the tail rear of a jet transport https://theauthenticbase.wordpress.c...m-sayyid-qutb/ |
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Per John B.:
The Bangkok Post has it that "The attacker was taken into custody after he was shot in the stomach by a New York City policeman, and neutralised". It's encouraging that the NY cops, at least, have caught on the idea of taking these guys alive so they can be "Debriefed" instead of blowing them to smithereens on the spot. I guess it's all money in the pocket for the media people, but if I had my druthers, the story would be "Another nutcase kills a bunch of people" and leave it at that until some group/plot emerges. -- Pete Cresswell |
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On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 9:35:52 PM UTC, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
my druthers, the story would be "Another nutcase kills a bunch of people" and leave it at that until some group/plot emerges. Nonsense. The killer's name is Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov, which makes him at least a second-generation Muslim. He shouted "Allahu Akbar" as he committed his crimes, which makes him a jihadist. If that isn't enough evidence to call him a Muslim and take a 95% guess at the influences on him, what will be enough for the limp apologists of Islamic jihad? -- AJ |
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 09:31:21 -0400, Duane
wrote: On 01/11/2017 12:30 AM, Joy Beeson wrote: Oddly, I first read about this incident in the London Telegraph -- rather high on the page. Exactly what the murderer thought he was doing isn't particularly important. On one hand I agree, it's not particularly important what he thought he was doing. But on the other hand, this attack isn't exactly an isolated incident. On the world stage, perhaps not as there have been similar high profile mass murders using motor vehicles. It's isolated in the US in terms of its use as a terrorist tool. But there have been several incidents of road-ragers and drunk drivers plowing into packs of bicyclists in the past decade. Not to mention the more sporadic drunk/angry/distracted driver striking cyclists for the past 100 years. At this point it is still not clear to me whether this is a terrorist or a person who is mentally ill. He seems to have been inspired by ISIS' instructions for how to kill a lot of people using a motor vehicle, pretty much to the letter (if you don't already know, ISIS published an online how-to manual with pretty much a checklist)- except that his backup weapons were a BB gun and a paintball gun. Well, perhaps the third possible category is "idiot terrorist." I would not be surprised if the driver turned out to be mentally ill prior to the incident. But again none of that actually matters to the victims and their loved ones. |
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:35:44 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per John B.: The Bangkok Post has it that "The attacker was taken into custody after he was shot in the stomach by a New York City policeman, and neutralised". It's encouraging that the NY cops, at least, have caught on the idea of taking these guys alive so they can be "Debriefed" instead of blowing them to smithereens on the spot. I guess it's all money in the pocket for the media people, but if I had my druthers, the story would be "Another nutcase kills a bunch of people" and leave it at that until some group/plot emerges. Well, we don't know yet if he is a nutcase or what. No doubt more information will appear; who knows if he will provide anything useful himself. He did at least leave some written notes in the truck (or at least someone did, he seems like the most likely candidate) indicating at least inspiration by ISIS. Perhaps we could at least get the president to stop adding so much fuel to the fire. Yeah, right, like that's gonna happen. He has to keep the fires built high to distract from other things (like fleecing the middle class to pay for the rich folks' tax cuts). |
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the stan is not a 'nut' https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/n...ck-attack.html Where Mr. Saipov exited the bike path at Chambers Street is another notoriously risky intersection. In June 2016, a cyclist, Olga Cook, was killed there when an allegedly intoxicated driver made a right turn from the West Side Highway, crossing the greenway. At least 17 other cyclists or pedestrians had been injured there in the preceding five years. Daniel Flanzig, a personal injury lawyer who has handled multiple cases on behalf of bicyclists killed or injured on the bike path, including Ms. Cook’s case, said there was a clear need to make the path safer. “Everyone’s first reaction yesterday was to have bollards put onto the bike path,” he said. “It makes sense.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/n...pgtype=article |
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Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 09:31:21 -0400, Duane wrote: On 01/11/2017 12:30 AM, Joy Beeson wrote: Oddly, I first read about this incident in the London Telegraph -- rather high on the page. Exactly what the murderer thought he was doing isn't particularly important. On one hand I agree, it's not particularly important what he thought he was doing. But on the other hand, this attack isn't exactly an isolated incident. On the world stage, perhaps not as there have been similar high profile mass murders using motor vehicles. It's isolated in the US in terms of its use as a terrorist tool. But there have been several incidents of road-ragers and drunk drivers plowing into packs of bicyclists in the past decade. Not to mention the more sporadic drunk/angry/distracted driver striking cyclists for the past 100 years. At this point it is still not clear to me whether this is a terrorist or a person who is mentally ill. He seems to have been inspired by ISIS' instructions for how to kill a lot of people using a motor vehicle, pretty much to the letter (if you don't already know, ISIS published an online how-to manual with pretty much a checklist)- except that his backup weapons were a BB gun and a paintball gun. Well, perhaps the third possible category is "idiot terrorist." I would not be surprised if the driver turned out to be mentally ill prior to the incident. But again none of that actually matters to the victims and their loved ones. To me the line between terrorist and mentally ill isn’t very clear. Religious fundamentalism and insane seem to go hand in hand. Something about murdering unarmed innocents in order to get into heaven with the virgins... -- duane |
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On 11/2/2017 12:48 AM, wrote:
the stan is not a 'nut' https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/n...ck-attack.html Where Mr. Saipov exited the bike path at Chambers Street is another notoriously risky intersection. In June 2016, a cyclist, Olga Cook, was killed there when an allegedly intoxicated driver made a right turn from the West Side Highway, crossing the greenway. At least 17 other cyclists or pedestrians had been injured there in the preceding five years. Daniel Flanzig, a personal injury lawyer who has handled multiple cases on behalf of bicyclists killed or injured on the bike path, including Ms. Cook’s case, said there was a clear need to make the path safer. “Everyone’s first reaction yesterday was to have bollards put onto the bike path,” he said. “It makes sense.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/n...pgtype=article So your position is, "We don't need no steenkin' jihadis. We've got killer kiddie paths already!" The bollards bit is a hoot! Imagine your average scrum of bicyclists threading through those. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 11/2/2017 1:48 AM, wrote:
the stan is not a 'nut' https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/n...ck-attack.html Where Mr. Saipov exited the bike path at Chambers Street is another notoriously risky intersection. In June 2016, a cyclist, Olga Cook, was killed there when an allegedly intoxicated driver made a right turn from the West Side Highway, crossing the greenway. At least 17 other cyclists or pedestrians had been injured there in the preceding five years. Daniel Flanzig, a personal injury lawyer who has handled multiple cases on behalf of bicyclists killed or injured on the bike path, including Ms. Cook’s case, said there was a clear need to make the path safer. “Everyone’s first reaction yesterday was to have bollards put onto the bike path,” he said. “It makes sense.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/n...pgtype=article *#@%! Locally, we've got an incompetently designed two-way bike lane in a park. It forces cyclists to thread through bollards at every place a motorist might choose to pull over and park. We've been telling the park for years that those things are collision hazards and actual fatality hazards, because cyclists have been killed running into bollards. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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I remember Mr.NG. I lived across the river In Brokersville. I shake my head in sadness these bright vibrant people are cut down. what do we have here ? a short path with 3 deaths from vehicle intrusion an advocacy group words from the city and a failed watch on the jihadist from Law Enforcement we have outside this unreal action group personal decisions to ride in a dangerous area. I wonder if the path is a necessary unavoidable connector. Probably. Safety in numbers, everyone rides here. So noticed. goo.gl/ZtYvRp F1 ! is there a list ? I did the Boston Marathon so prediction/analysis there was a piece of cake. Interfered with by you know... almost everyone, I'm popular out here where the interferes are denying rain. my last unavoidable connector was 50' feet up above the creek 2' wide n ,25 long. That was the day I grabbed brakes (first long frame ride) raising front wheel over the speed bump at speed in 'going home' down the twisty. My camel need water. I go. Of water, I bumped into a stack of Dasani flavored water unseen by the local drunks buying a pack of Lime. AAA. Have a COOL shot 5AM J. A significant upgrade in beverages. |
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On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 9:33:54 AM UTC-7, wrote:
1 April, 1971 I remember Mr.NG. I lived across the river In Brokersville. I shake my head in sadness these bright vibrant people are cut down. what do we have here ? a short path with 3 deaths from vehicle intrusion an advocacy group words from the city and a failed watch on the jihadist from Law Enforcement we have outside this unreal action group personal decisions to ride in a dangerous area. I wonder if the path is a necessary unavoidable connector. Probably. Safety in numbers, everyone rides here. So noticed. goo.gl/ZtYvRp F1 ! is there a list ? I did the Boston Marathon so prediction/analysis there was a piece of cake. Interfered with by you know... almost everyone, I'm popular out here where the interferes are denying rain. my last unavoidable connector was 50' feet up above the creek 2' wide n ,25 long. That was the day I grabbed brakes (first long frame ride) raising front wheel over the speed bump at speed in 'going home' down the twisty. My camel need water. I go. Of water, I bumped into a stack of Dasani flavored water unseen by the local drunks buying a pack of Lime. AAA. Have a COOL shot 5AM J. A significant upgrade in beverages. slim pickens for the pop density...the map is dragable goo.gl/JcrqDo goo.gl/HJXf4u overwhelming |
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 10:13:53 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:
To me the line between terrorist and mentally ill isn’t very clear. Religious fundamentalism and insane seem to go hand in hand. That's an interesting discussion about which I don't feel qualified to offer an intelligent analysis despite years of practice as a psychologist. I have not read any of the research on the thought patterns of religious terrorists nor into the differentiation between religious delusion and excessive religious devotion. I end up with questions rather than answers when thinking about this. With the readers indulgence: On the face of it, it is tempting to say that one has to be nuts to try to slaughter large numbers of people (especially in a suicide mission) in the name of one's god or country or family or some other group. But can one be rational and do so? That's possible, I suppose, but I don't know with any certainty. What about, for example, an Anders Breivik or a Timothy McVeigh? Both were far more efficient killers than the vast majority of terrorists. They were calculating, analytical and methodical beyond what is typical of people with major mental illnesses. Boh were radicalized by right-wing sources (as are, indeed, Islamist, Christianist and Zionist terrorists in general). Yet on another hand there was Adam Lanza, whose motivations seemed not rooted in terrorism but in his own mental illness and yet he too was organized, detailed, ruthless and efficient. It is facile and unhelpful to dismiss terrorists as "crazy" or "animals," because that suggests they are non-understandable; and if they cannot be understood, we cannot know how to prevent them in the first place. If we can understand how terrorists come to be, then perhaps they can be defused in advance (and it is quite likely that this is much better understood than I am aware of). If being a terrorist is prima facie evidence of mental illness, then I think it would be cruel to- as President Trump has openly supported- torture and indecently punish them. Those actions come at a severe cost for the "soul of civil society," as one might call it. Trump, of course, betrays little evidence of being a member of civil society himself so this likely does not trouble him. There is a different question of what to do with a mass murderer who is rational) or perhaps "rational enough"). I do not support the death penalty- oddly, perhaps, on conservative rather than liberal grounds- but these people are very, very dangerous and in at least some cases (perhaps most or even all) it is not safe to turn them loose to likely do it again. Indeed, turning them loose would just be stupid in those cases. Just as we do not "turn loose" those adjudicated as mentally ill and dangerous- they are under lifelong supervision and court-ordered psychiatric treatment. Enough rambling with no conclusions! |
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 22:40:29 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: BUT Jesus siad,"let he who is without sin cast the first stone". The New Testament supercedes the Old Testament. Jesus said, "I have come to abolish the Law but to FULFIL it." In my experience, Christian conservatives tend to have a strong affinity for the Old Testament, Revelations and for various epistles- but not so much for those inconvenent Gospels. I am sure there are many for whom that is not true, of course, as my experience is far from universal. It was at least the case in my family most of the conservatives emphasized the Old Testament and most of the liberals Emphasized the Gospels. Athough there were few liberals in my family... |
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On 11/2/2017 11:41 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
There is a different question of what to do with a mass murderer who is rational) or perhaps "rational enough"). I do not support the death penalty- oddly, perhaps, on conservative rather than liberal grounds- but these people are very, very dangerous and in at least some cases (perhaps most or even all) it is not safe to turn them loose to likely do it again. Indeed, turning them loose would just be stupid in those cases. Just as we do not "turn loose" those adjudicated as mentally ill and dangerous- they are under lifelong supervision and court-ordered psychiatric treatment. I think part of the motivation for killing a heinous criminal is the certainty that he will never commit such a crime again. For example, I've seen pro death penalty arguments describing how someone who served time and earned parole killed again on release. And others fear successful appeals, where a murderer (or worse) goes free on some legal technicality. So I wonder about a sort of "legal death" that involves life sentence with no, absolutely no, right of appeal. It would have to be reserved for cases so perfectly certain that the death penalty would be justified. On the other hand: I note that most other prosperous, civilized countries seem to function quite well without the death penalty, or (AFAIK) the sort of "legal death" that I'm describing. Their murder rates and violence rates are certainly far better than ours. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 11/3/2017 12:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/2/2017 11:41 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: There is a different question of what to do with a mass murderer who is rational) or perhaps "rational enough"). I do not support the death penalty- oddly, perhaps, on conservative rather than liberal grounds- but these people are very, very dangerous and in at least some cases (perhaps most or even all) it is not safe to turn them loose to likely do it again. Indeed, turning them loose would just be stupid in those cases. Just as we do not "turn loose" those adjudicated as mentally ill and dangerous- they are under lifelong supervision and court-ordered psychiatric treatment. I think part of the motivation for killing a heinous criminal is the certainty that he will never commit such a crime again. For example, I've seen pro death penalty arguments describing how someone who served time and earned parole killed again on release. And others fear successful appeals, where a murderer (or worse) goes free on some legal technicality. So I wonder about a sort of "legal death" that involves life sentence with no, absolutely no, right of appeal. It would have to be reserved for cases so perfectly certain that the death penalty would be justified. On the other hand: I note that most other prosperous, civilized countries seem to function quite well without the death penalty, or (AFAIK) the sort of "legal death" that I'm describing. Their murder rates and violence rates are certainly far better than ours. So you'll offer to host Brevik once he's out? Up for parole in about 4 years... -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 11/3/2017 10:36 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/3/2017 12:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/2/2017 11:41 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: There is a different question of what to do with a mass murderer who is rational) or perhaps "rational enough").* I do not support the death penalty- oddly, perhaps, on conservative rather than liberal grounds- but these people are very, very dangerous and in at least some cases (perhaps most or even all) it is not safe to turn them loose to likely do it again.* Indeed, turning them loose would just be stupid in those cases.* Just as we do not "turn loose" those adjudicated as mentally ill and dangerous- they are under lifelong supervision and court-ordered psychiatric treatment. I think part of the motivation for killing a heinous criminal is the certainty that he will never commit such a crime again. For example, I've seen pro death penalty arguments describing how someone who served time and earned parole killed again on release. And others fear successful appeals, where a murderer (or worse) goes free on some legal technicality. So I wonder about a sort of "legal death" that involves life sentence with no, absolutely no, right of appeal. It would have to be reserved for cases so perfectly certain that the death penalty would be justified. On the other hand: I note that most other prosperous, civilized countries seem to function quite well without the death penalty, or (AFAIK) the sort of "legal death" that I'm describing. Their murder rates and violence rates are certainly far better than ours. So you'll offer to host Brevik once he's out? Up for parole in about 4 years... Are you talking about the Norwegian murderer? Let's see whether the parole actually happens first. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Per Tim McNamara:
Well, we don't know yet if he is a nutcase or what. No doubt more information will appear; who knows if he will provide anything useful himself. He did at least leave some written notes in the truck (or at least someone did, he seems like the most likely candidate) indicating at least inspiration by ISIS. Apparently ISIS publishes playbooks on how to do this stuff. The accounts I have heard say that his actions were right out of the ISIS playbook - including the leaflets and trying to get himself killed. The knives he had for the purpose of killing pedestrians after the crash and getting himself killed because unavailable due to the crash so he grabbed the paint ball gun and something else. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Per Duane:
Something about murdering unarmed innocents in order to get into heaven with the virgins... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- After getting nailed by the U.S. Seal team, Osama makes his way to the pearly gates. There, he is greeted by George Washington. "How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yells Mr. Washington, slapping Osama in the face. Patrick Henry comes up from behind. "You wanted to end the Americans' liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punches Osama on the nose. James Madison comes up next, and says "This is why I allowed the Federal government to provide for the common defense!" He drops a large weight on Osama's knee. Osama is subject to similar beatings from John Randolph of Roanoke, James Monroe, and 65 other people who have the same love for liberty and America. As he writhes on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picks him up to hurl him back toward the gate where he is to be judged. As Osama awaits his journey to his final very hot destination, he screams "This is not what I was promised!" An angel replies "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you. What did you think I said?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Pete Cresswell |
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 18:11:53 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Tim McNamara: Well, we don't know yet if he is a nutcase or what. No doubt more information will appear; who knows if he will provide anything useful himself. He did at least leave some written notes in the truck (or at least someone did, he seems like the most likely candidate) indicating at least inspiration by ISIS. Apparently ISIS publishes playbooks on how to do this stuff. The accounts I have heard say that his actions were right out of the ISIS playbook - including the leaflets and trying to get himself killed. Yes, that is my understanding. Not having frequented pro-ISIS websites I have not seen this for myself, but on NPR yesterday or the day before this was spoken of with direct quotes out of the ISIS "manual" for such attacks. It's not a long or complicated recipe, renting a large vehicle and running people down with it doesn't take a rocket scientist. The knives he had for the purpose of killing pedestrians after the crash and getting himself killed because unavailable due to the crash so he grabbed the paint ball gun and something else. BB gun according to what I have seen in the news. Fortunately a NYPD cop figured out how to shot to wound, so he was stopped and is questionable (and triable). My understanding from the news is that he requested an ISIS flag for his room. The request was not accommodated. |
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On Friday, November 3, 2017 at 10:13:43 PM UTC, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Duane: Something about murdering unarmed innocents in order to get into heaven with the virgins... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- After getting nailed by the U.S. Seal team, Osama makes his way to the pearly gates. There, he is greeted by George Washington. "How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yells Mr. Washington, slapping Osama in the face. Patrick Henry comes up from behind. "You wanted to end the Americans' liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punches Osama on the nose. James Madison comes up next, and says "This is why I allowed the Federal government to provide for the common defense!" He drops a large weight on Osama's knee. Osama is subject to similar beatings from John Randolph of Roanoke, James Monroe, and 65 other people who have the same love for liberty and America. As he writhes on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picks him up to hurl him back toward the gate where he is to be judged. As Osama awaits his journey to his final very hot destination, he screams "This is not what I was promised!" An angel replies "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you. What did you think I said?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Pete Cresswell It couldn't happen to a more deserving jihadi! AJ |
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On 11/3/2017 5:47 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 18:11:53 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per Tim McNamara: Well, we don't know yet if he is a nutcase or what. No doubt more information will appear; who knows if he will provide anything useful himself. He did at least leave some written notes in the truck (or at least someone did, he seems like the most likely candidate) indicating at least inspiration by ISIS. Apparently ISIS publishes playbooks on how to do this stuff. The accounts I have heard say that his actions were right out of the ISIS playbook - including the leaflets and trying to get himself killed. Yes, that is my understanding. Not having frequented pro-ISIS websites I have not seen this for myself, but on NPR yesterday or the day before this was spoken of with direct quotes out of the ISIS "manual" for such attacks. It's not a long or complicated recipe, renting a large vehicle and running people down with it doesn't take a rocket scientist. The knives he had for the purpose of killing pedestrians after the crash and getting himself killed because unavailable due to the crash so he grabbed the paint ball gun and something else. BB gun according to what I have seen in the news. Fortunately a NYPD cop figured out how to shot to wound, so he was stopped and is questionable (and triable). My understanding from the news is that he requested an ISIS flag for his room. The request was not accommodated. "figured out how to shoot to wound" NYPD officer had a pistol, adrenaline and the usual confusion of the moment. He's trained to hit center of mass, which he did. The fact that it was not a mortal wound is accidental. And incidental, actually, as he did stop the threat to human life which is the standard here. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 6:07:48 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:35:44 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per John B.: The Bangkok Post has it that "The attacker was taken into custody after he was shot in the stomach by a New York City policeman, and neutralised". It's encouraging that the NY cops, at least, have caught on the idea of taking these guys alive so they can be "Debriefed" instead of blowing them to smithereens on the spot. I guess it's all money in the pocket for the media people, but if I had my druthers, the story would be "Another nutcase kills a bunch of people" and leave it at that until some group/plot emerges. Well, we don't know yet if he is a nutcase or what. No doubt more information will appear; who knows if he will provide anything useful himself. He did at least leave some written notes in the truck (or at least someone did, he seems like the most likely candidate) indicating at least inspiration by ISIS. Perhaps we could at least get the president to stop adding so much fuel to the fire. Yeah, right, like that's gonna happen. He has to keep the fires built high to distract from other things (like fleecing the middle class to pay for the rich folks' tax cuts). I think it's fair to conclude that he was ****ed off because he is short and looks like a dope. https://www.yahoo.com/news/sister-yo...162102000.html The trick is to look like Omar Sharif and get the virgins on earth, but when you look like that dude, you have to rent a truck from Home Depot and go with plan B -- the post-death virgins. I'm all for giving him a lengthy prison sentence at Sing Sing where he can be the virgin, if only briefly. -- Jay Beattie. |
NY bike path mayhem
On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 17:47:09 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote: On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 18:11:53 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per Tim McNamara: Well, we don't know yet if he is a nutcase or what. No doubt more information will appear; who knows if he will provide anything useful himself. He did at least leave some written notes in the truck (or at least someone did, he seems like the most likely candidate) indicating at least inspiration by ISIS. Apparently ISIS publishes playbooks on how to do this stuff. The accounts I have heard say that his actions were right out of the ISIS playbook - including the leaflets and trying to get himself killed. Yes, that is my understanding. Not having frequented pro-ISIS websites I have not seen this for myself, but on NPR yesterday or the day before this was spoken of with direct quotes out of the ISIS "manual" for such attacks. It's not a long or complicated recipe, renting a large vehicle and running people down with it doesn't take a rocket scientist. The knives he had for the purpose of killing pedestrians after the crash and getting himself killed because unavailable due to the crash so he grabbed the paint ball gun and something else. BB gun according to what I have seen in the news. Fortunately a NYPD cop figured out how to shot to wound, so he was stopped and is questionable (and triable). I rather doubt that in any situation deemed to be sufficiently dangerious to justify shooting anyone ever "shot to wound". My understanding from the news is that he requested an ISIS flag for his room. The request was not accommodated. -- Cheers, John B. |
NY bike path mayhem
Per AMuzi:
The fact that it was not a mortal wound is accidental. And incidental, actually, as he did stop the threat to human life which is the standard here. If that is the case, it's disappointing. OTOH, at least he didn't empty his magazine into the guy. Ever since the Boston Marathon debacle, I've had a weed up my butt about cops blowing guys like that away before they can be properly "Debriefed". -- Pete Cresswell |
NY bike path mayhem
"(PeteCresswell)" writes:
Per AMuzi: The fact that it was not a mortal wound is accidental. And incidental, actually, as he did stop the threat to human life which is the standard here. If that is the case, it's disappointing. OTOH, at least he didn't empty his magazine into the guy. Ever since the Boston Marathon debacle, I've had a weed up my butt about cops blowing guys like that away before they can be properly "Debriefed". The Tsarnaev shooting did seem unnecessary, almost like compensating for finding him outside the police perimeter. The one that should really make you go "hmmm" was Todashev -- WTF was that? At least they didn't shoot up any newspaper delivery trucks like the California police did in the Dorner manhunt. -- |
NY bike path mayhem
On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 17:48:48 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per AMuzi: The fact that it was not a mortal wound is accidental. And incidental, actually, as he did stop the threat to human life which is the standard here. If that is the case, it's disappointing. OTOH, at least he didn't empty his magazine into the guy. Ever since the Boston Marathon debacle, I've had a weed up my butt about cops blowing guys like that away before they can be properly "Debriefed". Just killin' da perps is more satisfying to many folks. And if a few people get taken out by cops despite not being a threat, in some cases not even actually a criminal, well that's a small price to pay (except, of course, for the dead person...). The love of frontier justice is alive and well in the US. Old Donald seems to be particularly rabid to bag his first capital punishment, being as that would be the ultimate proof of his power. |
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