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I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else.
Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? See https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/w...nyl-trump.html Fentanyl and all its variants are now controlled substances in China which, of course, does not stop illegal trade. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 8/1/2019 7:29 PM, John B. wrote:
I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? -- cheers, John B. Like the situation the past few years in Philippines[1], where legal pharmaceutical stimulants were suddenly and voluminously exceeded by imported methamphetamine from the Norks, Red China and a new domestic industry, the bulk of USA street Fentanyl is not rerouted anaesthetic pharmaceuticals but rather imports from China and China routed through Mexico. This is not news: https://www.news-herald.com/news/ohi...57599081b.html Since the transfer cost of contraband is relatively fixed by mass, imports tend to extremely powerful versions and analogs, notably veterinary Carfentanyl http://www.ottawapublichealth.ca/en/...rfentanil.aspx [1] As with Mr Trump, Mr Duterte has reacted to a real problem, You may disagree with either man's policy or style or rhetoric, but the problems are indeed real. Facts are stubborn things... -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 8/1/2019 8:03 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? See https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/w...nyl-trump.html Fentanyl and all its variants are now controlled substances in China which, of course, does not stop illegal trade. -- Jay Beattie. Oh, is that like China's compliance with pollution treaties? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/w...ghting-it.html China will always talk a great game and sign anything, then ignore any inconvenient agreements. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-against-china China theorists posit that Hitler annexed Poland and nobody gave a damn. Italy slashed and burned through Ethiopia and the League of Nations wrote resolutions, but zip for action. Therefore... and here we are. Did you notice that after huge Chinese payments to Turkey, Pakistan, the Saudi family and other moslem states, that only the US of A has said _anything_ about 1,000,000+ moslem Uighers in concentration camps in East Turkistan (Western China)? They are not stupid. They know that they can generally get away with anything, but 'generally' being not always. Which is why the huge Chinese anti-Trump media push leading up to 2020. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:03:14 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? See https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/w...nyl-trump.html Fentanyl and all its variants are now controlled substances in China which, of course, does not stop illegal trade. -- Jay Beattie. Interesting. I did some more reading and it appears that fentanyl is not even a controlled substance in much of Europe, but it is in the U.S. and the largest source of illegal (in the U.S.) fentanyl is by mail order from Chinese Web Sites. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 01 Aug 2019 20:23:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/1/2019 7:29 PM, John B. wrote: I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? -- cheers, John B. Like the situation the past few years in Philippines[1], where legal pharmaceutical stimulants were suddenly and voluminously exceeded by imported methamphetamine from the Norks, Red China and a new domestic industry, the bulk of USA street Fentanyl is not rerouted anaesthetic pharmaceuticals but rather imports from China and China routed through Mexico. This is not news: https://www.news-herald.com/news/ohi...57599081b.html Since the transfer cost of contraband is relatively fixed by mass, imports tend to extremely powerful versions and analogs, notably veterinary Carfentanyl http://www.ottawapublichealth.ca/en/...rfentanil.aspx [1] As with Mr Trump, Mr Duterte has reacted to a real problem, You may disagree with either man's policy or style or rhetoric, but the problems are indeed real. Facts are stubborn things... Frankly while the "solution" may seem to be to get the host country to ban the substance, whatever it may be, in reality that doesn't work. In the recent past Opium was legally sold in Laos. You could go to the market and buy it. Than the U.S. beat the Laotians over the head and got them to outlaw opium and its depravities and while it was no longer sold in the market the production of opium and its depravities actually grew and today it is estimated that Laos and Myanmar (not the major grower of poppies) produced 893 metric tons of opium, in 2013, a 22 percent growth from the previous year. How can this be? Well Europe and the U.S. will buy, albeit illicitly, just about all the opium products that a small country can produce and not surprisingly to any student of economics where a market exists a source will be found to supply it. The current largest producer of poppies in the world is Afghanistan with some 225,000 hectares ( 555,987 acres)in production. What is the solution? Simple, penalize the users. If the demand is reduced then the supply will also be reduced. Is it politically possible in a country like the U.S.? Probably not. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 01 Aug 2019 20:36:04 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/1/2019 8:03 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? See https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/w...nyl-trump.html Fentanyl and all its variants are now controlled substances in China which, of course, does not stop illegal trade. -- Jay Beattie. Oh, is that like China's compliance with pollution treaties? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/w...ghting-it.html China will always talk a great game and sign anything, then ignore any inconvenient agreements. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-against-china China theorists posit that Hitler annexed Poland and nobody gave a damn. Italy slashed and burned through Ethiopia and the League of Nations wrote resolutions, but zip for action. Therefore... and here we are. Yup. And a nationalistic movement (that happened to be communistic) spent years fighting to free their country from foreign domination and everyone said that they were bad guys. As an aside the idea of democracy was abhorrent and literally terrifying to most European governments in 1776 :-) Did you notice that after huge Chinese payments to Turkey, Pakistan, the Saudi family and other moslem states, that only the US of A has said _anything_ about 1,000,000+ moslem Uighers in concentration camps in East Turkistan (Western China)? And hasn't the U.S. been shoveling money out all around the world since WW II? Why shouldn't China do the same? As for treatment of minority religious members take at look at Saudi :-) On a purely rational basis the Saudis can hardly complain about the treatment of anybody by any other nation. They are not stupid. They know that they can generally get away with anything, but 'generally' being not always. Which is why the huge Chinese anti-Trump media push leading up to 2020. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 6:36:07 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/1/2019 8:03 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? See https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/w...nyl-trump.html Fentanyl and all its variants are now controlled substances in China which, of course, does not stop illegal trade. -- Jay Beattie. Oh, is that like China's compliance with pollution treaties? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/w...ghting-it.html China will always talk a great game and sign anything, then ignore any inconvenient agreements. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-against-china China theorists posit that Hitler annexed Poland and nobody gave a damn. Italy slashed and burned through Ethiopia and the League of Nations wrote resolutions, but zip for action. Therefore... and here we are. Did you notice that after huge Chinese payments to Turkey, Pakistan, the Saudi family and other moslem states, that only the US of A has said _anything_ about 1,000,000+ moslem Uighers in concentration camps in East Turkistan (Western China)? They are not stupid. They know that they can generally get away with anything, but 'generally' being not always. Which is why the huge Chinese anti-Trump media push leading up to 2020. Criminals operating in other nations will satisfy demand in the US. Maybe we should punish China for its lax oversight by inundating them with opium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars -- Jay Beattie |
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 21:31:11 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 6:36:07 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 8/1/2019 8:03 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? See https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/w...nyl-trump.html Fentanyl and all its variants are now controlled substances in China which, of course, does not stop illegal trade. -- Jay Beattie. Oh, is that like China's compliance with pollution treaties? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/w...ghting-it.html China will always talk a great game and sign anything, then ignore any inconvenient agreements. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-against-china China theorists posit that Hitler annexed Poland and nobody gave a damn. Italy slashed and burned through Ethiopia and the League of Nations wrote resolutions, but zip for action. Therefore... and here we are. Did you notice that after huge Chinese payments to Turkey, Pakistan, the Saudi family and other moslem states, that only the US of A has said _anything_ about 1,000,000+ moslem Uighers in concentration camps in East Turkistan (Western China)? They are not stupid. They know that they can generally get away with anything, but 'generally' being not always. Which is why the huge Chinese anti-Trump media push leading up to 2020. Criminals operating in other nations will satisfy demand in the US. Maybe we should punish China for its lax oversight by inundating them with opium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars -- Jay Beattie I believe that modern day China controls the drug use in the country by executions and forced "re-education" in a government "re-hab center". The "opium wars" were all the fault of the Chinese. After all they demanded payment for Tea and Silk in silver coin, which was almost literally bankrupting the British Empire. Then, or course, those clever British chaps discovered that the opium poppy was almost a weed in Bengal, India.... -- cheers, John B. |
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On 8/1/2019 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Aug 2019 20:23:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 8/1/2019 7:29 PM, John B. wrote: I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? -- cheers, John B. Like the situation the past few years in Philippines[1], where legal pharmaceutical stimulants were suddenly and voluminously exceeded by imported methamphetamine from the Norks, Red China and a new domestic industry, the bulk of USA street Fentanyl is not rerouted anaesthetic pharmaceuticals but rather imports from China and China routed through Mexico. This is not news: https://www.news-herald.com/news/ohi...57599081b.html Since the transfer cost of contraband is relatively fixed by mass, imports tend to extremely powerful versions and analogs, notably veterinary Carfentanyl http://www.ottawapublichealth.ca/en/...rfentanil.aspx [1] As with Mr Trump, Mr Duterte has reacted to a real problem, You may disagree with either man's policy or style or rhetoric, but the problems are indeed real. Facts are stubborn things... Frankly while the "solution" may seem to be to get the host country to ban the substance, whatever it may be, in reality that doesn't work. In the recent past Opium was legally sold in Laos. You could go to the market and buy it. Than the U.S. beat the Laotians over the head and got them to outlaw opium and its depravities and while it was no longer sold in the market the production of opium and its depravities actually grew and today it is estimated that Laos and Myanmar (not the major grower of poppies) produced 893 metric tons of opium, in 2013, a 22 percent growth from the previous year. How can this be? Well Europe and the U.S. will buy, albeit illicitly, just about all the opium products that a small country can produce and not surprisingly to any student of economics where a market exists a source will be found to supply it. The current largest producer of poppies in the world is Afghanistan with some 225,000 hectares ( 555,987 acres)in production. What is the solution? Simple, penalize the users. If the demand is reduced then the supply will also be reduced. Is it politically possible in a country like the U.S.? Probably not. -- cheers, John B. "What is the solution? Simple, penalize the users." The net effect of the first hundred years of near-worldwide heroin ban hasn't worked out all that well. Seems to have merely kept the price up, encouraging supply. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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