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New bike path
On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Lou |
New bike path
On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Lou Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. -- Jay Beattie. |
New bike path
On 2018-03-09 16:47, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 That almost looks like an American width path. I don't know the laws and regulations in NL but California and many of its cities have rules about that. If you build a road or part of it anew (tear out, re-routing, new intersection and similar) you have to install bike facilities of at least class II (bike lanes). If you plop down a major housing development you must include class I facilities (bike paths or MUP) to that. Which is great. Lou Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. That's what you get when other people pay for most of the cruise missiles. ... I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Vladimir will do that after holding a "referendum", if he finds there's Russians riding on those bike paths. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
New bike path
On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 1:47:21 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Lou Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. -- Jay Beattie. I will trade some bike paths for some mountains. Yesterday for an almost 85 km ride an elevation gain of less than 50 meter. Highest point 40 meters, lowest point 20 meter....sigh... Lou |
New bike path
On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 7:13:28 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-10 10:06, wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 1:47:21 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Lou Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. -- Jay Beattie. I will trade some bike paths for some mountains. Yesterday for an almost 85 km ride an elevation gain of less than 50 meter. Highest point 40 meters, lowest point 20 meter....sigh... Move to Zuid Limburg. I did frequent rides into Belgium from there with lots of hills. And best of all, good pubs with Abbey Ales. The roads were quite bad though. Cracks, potholes, missing asphalt pieces. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I live in Noord Limburg. Moving 70 km to the south means a daily commute by car of 1 hour one way. No thanks. Lou |
New bike path
On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- -- Gregory S. Sutter Mostly Harmless http://zer0.org/~gsutter/ |
New bike path
On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? -- Jay Beattie. |
New bike path
On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
New bike path
On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 5:08:15 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 That is correct Andrew, but you can get good coffee in any cafe or restaurant even in a coffee shop ;-) Lou |
New bike path
On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. If you forgot, he shattered both of his ankles skiing on Christmas Eve. I set him up with the recovered Roubaix -- complete with the flat pedals the meth tweakers had put on the bike. I also put some bright blue duct tape on the crank arms to keep them from being scuffed the ortho boots. The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. Today, he rode outside for the first time. A few times around the neighborhood streets. 3.5km and 80 meters of climbing -- in ortho boots. I think he can still beat me even with two surgically repaired ankles. The weather was perfect today -- 65F, blue skies. I was headed out to the Columbia River Gorge but turned back before Crown Point because the f****** wind. I got tired of thrashing myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcP8qK_CSZA 00:39 is why you don't want a light bike. What I hate about the wind is that it often shifts after mid-day when central Oregon warms up. If you mis-time your ride, you can end up with a headwind both ways. The wind remained out of the east for me today, and I had a screaming tail wind going home down Marine Drive -- which made me feel like Cancellara with a Gruber assist. It was great until I ran over a cement board screw and tore up my front tire. I had to boot it with a $1. I think Park sells $1 bills as tire boots. They're $2. And not to sound too cranky, but I get tired of guys riding by and asking if I'm O.K. One guy actually stopped and was cross-examining me about the flat. Do you have this, do you have that? I just kept saying, "I've got it. I'm O.K.; I've got it." He wouldn't go away. He was wearing tights with pink flamingos on them. I kid you not. I once had a guy stop and basically take over fixing a flat -- it was so surrealistic that I just stood there and let it happen. It the officious flat fixing people. Another Portland trope. -- Jay Beattie. |
New bike path
On 3/11/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. If you forgot, he shattered both of his ankles skiing on Christmas Eve. I set him up with the recovered Roubaix -- complete with the flat pedals the meth tweakers had put on the bike. I also put some bright blue duct tape on the crank arms to keep them from being scuffed the ortho boots. The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. Today, he rode outside for the first time. A few times around the neighborhood streets. 3.5km and 80 meters of climbing -- in ortho boots. I think he can still beat me even with two surgically repaired ankles. The weather was perfect today -- 65F, blue skies. I was headed out to the Columbia River Gorge but turned back before Crown Point because the f****** wind. I got tired of thrashing myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcP8qK_CSZA 00:39 is why you don't want a light bike. What I hate about the wind is that it often shifts after mid-day when central Oregon warms up. If you mis-time your ride, you can end up with a headwind both ways. The wind remained out of the east for me today, and I had a screaming tail wind going home down Marine Drive -- which made me feel like Cancellara with a Gruber assist. It was great until I ran over a cement board screw and tore up my front tire. I had to boot it with a $1. I think Park sells $1 bills as tire boots. They're $2. And not to sound too cranky, but I get tired of guys riding by and asking if I'm O.K. One guy actually stopped and was cross-examining me about the flat. Do you have this, do you have that? I just kept saying, "I've got it. I'm O.K.; I've got it." He wouldn't go away. He was wearing tights with pink flamingos on them. I kid you not. I once had a guy stop and basically take over fixing a flat -- it was so surrealistic that I just stood there and let it happen. It the officious flat fixing people. Another Portland trope. "The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. " Maybe for your Portland homeless camps. The pros are in LA: http://ktla.com/2018/03/10/eye-poppi...ss-encampment/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
New bike path
On 2018-03-11 16:12, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/11/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. If you forgot, he shattered both of his ankles skiing on Christmas Eve. I set him up with the recovered Roubaix -- complete with the flat pedals the meth tweakers had put on the bike. I also put some bright blue duct tape on the crank arms to keep them from being scuffed the ortho boots. The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. Today, he rode outside for the first time. A few times around the neighborhood streets. 3.5km and 80 meters of climbing -- in ortho boots. I think he can still beat me even with two surgically repaired ankles. The weather was perfect today -- 65F, blue skies. I was headed out to the Columbia River Gorge but turned back before Crown Point because the f****** wind. I got tired of thrashing myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcP8qK_CSZA 00:39 is why you don't want a light bike. What I hate about the wind is that it often shifts after mid-day when central Oregon warms up. If you mis-time your ride, you can end up with a headwind both ways. The wind remained out of the east for me today, and I had a screaming tail wind going home down Marine Drive -- which made me feel like Cancellara with a Gruber assist. It was great until I ran over a cement board screw and tore up my front tire. I had to boot it with a $1. I think Park sells $1 bills as tire boots. They're $2. And not to sound too cranky, but I get tired of guys riding by and asking if I'm O.K. One guy actually stopped and was cross-examining me about the flat. Do you have this, do you have that? I just kept saying, "I've got it. I'm O.K.; I've got it." He wouldn't go away. He was wearing tights with pink flamingos on them. I kid you not. I once had a guy stop and basically take over fixing a flat -- it was so surrealistic that I just stood there and let it happen. It the officious flat fixing people. Another Portland trope. "The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. " Maybe for your Portland homeless camps. The pros are in LA: http://ktla.com/2018/03/10/eye-poppi...ss-encampment/ Within weeks all that will probably be back :-( -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
New bike path
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:38:15 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-03-11 16:12, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. If you forgot, he shattered both of his ankles skiing on Christmas Eve. I set him up with the recovered Roubaix -- complete with the flat pedals the meth tweakers had put on the bike. I also put some bright blue duct tape on the crank arms to keep them from being scuffed the ortho boots. The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. Today, he rode outside for the first time. A few times around the neighborhood streets. 3.5km and 80 meters of climbing -- in ortho boots. I think he can still beat me even with two surgically repaired ankles. The weather was perfect today -- 65F, blue skies. I was headed out to the Columbia River Gorge but turned back before Crown Point because the f****** wind. I got tired of thrashing myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcP8qK_CSZA 00:39 is why you don't want a light bike. What I hate about the wind is that it often shifts after mid-day when central Oregon warms up. If you mis-time your ride, you can end up with a headwind both ways. The wind remained out of the east for me today, and I had a screaming tail wind going home down Marine Drive -- which made me feel like Cancellara with a Gruber assist. It was great until I ran over a cement board screw and tore up my front tire. I had to boot it with a $1. I think Park sells $1 bills as tire boots. They're $2. And not to sound too cranky, but I get tired of guys riding by and asking if I'm O.K. One guy actually stopped and was cross-examining me about the flat. Do you have this, do you have that? I just kept saying, "I've got it. I'm O.K.; I've got it." He wouldn't go away. He was wearing tights with pink flamingos on them. I kid you not. I once had a guy stop and basically take over fixing a flat -- it was so surrealistic that I just stood there and let it happen. It the officious flat fixing people. Another Portland trope. "The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. " Maybe for your Portland homeless camps. The pros are in LA: http://ktla.com/2018/03/10/eye-poppi...ss-encampment/ Within weeks all that will probably be back :-( Out of curiosity where do the "homeless" go when they are "cleared out", as the article describes? After all they are "homeless" so they don't have a home and one assumes that they can't pay for a hotel room. So where do they go? -- Cheers, John B. |
New bike path
On 3/12/2018 7:35 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:38:15 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-11 16:12, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. If you forgot, he shattered both of his ankles skiing on Christmas Eve. I set him up with the recovered Roubaix -- complete with the flat pedals the meth tweakers had put on the bike. I also put some bright blue duct tape on the crank arms to keep them from being scuffed the ortho boots. The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. Today, he rode outside for the first time. A few times around the neighborhood streets. 3.5km and 80 meters of climbing -- in ortho boots. I think he can still beat me even with two surgically repaired ankles. The weather was perfect today -- 65F, blue skies. I was headed out to the Columbia River Gorge but turned back before Crown Point because the f****** wind. I got tired of thrashing myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcP8qK_CSZA 00:39 is why you don't want a light bike. What I hate about the wind is that it often shifts after mid-day when central Oregon warms up. If you mis-time your ride, you can end up with a headwind both ways. The wind remained out of the east for me today, and I had a screaming tail wind going home down Marine Drive -- which made me feel like Cancellara with a Gruber assist. It was great until I ran over a cement board screw and tore up my front tire. I had to boot it with a $1. I think Park sells $1 bills as tire boots. They're $2. And not to sound too cranky, but I get tired of guys riding by and asking if I'm O.K. One guy actually stopped and was cross-examining me about the flat. Do you have this, do you have that? I just kept saying, "I've got it. I'm O.K.; I've got it." He wouldn't go away. He was wearing tights with pink flamingos on them. I kid you not. I once had a guy stop and basically take over fixing a flat -- it was so surrealistic that I just stood there and let it happen. It the officious flat fixing people. Another Portland trope. "The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp." Maybe for your Portland homeless camps. The pros are in LA: http://ktla.com/2018/03/10/eye-poppi...ss-encampment/ Within weeks all that will probably be back :-( Out of curiosity where do the "homeless" go when they are "cleared out", as the article describes? After all they are "homeless" so they don't have a home and one assumes that they can't pay for a hotel room. So where do they go? They are what Hitchcock called 'the McGuffin', a device to move the plot along. Doesn't really matter. In this case, the important principle of governance is, "Once the problem's solved, the money stops." https://nypost.com/2018/03/06/everyo...meless-policy/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/de-bla...ing-explosion/ Solving problems is anathema to anyone in politics. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
New bike path
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:58:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/12/2018 7:35 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:38:15 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-11 16:12, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. If you forgot, he shattered both of his ankles skiing on Christmas Eve. I set him up with the recovered Roubaix -- complete with the flat pedals the meth tweakers had put on the bike. I also put some bright blue duct tape on the crank arms to keep them from being scuffed the ortho boots. The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. Today, he rode outside for the first time. A few times around the neighborhood streets. 3.5km and 80 meters of climbing -- in ortho boots. I think he can still beat me even with two surgically repaired ankles. The weather was perfect today -- 65F, blue skies. I was headed out to the Columbia River Gorge but turned back before Crown Point because the f****** wind. I got tired of thrashing myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcP8qK_CSZA 00:39 is why you don't want a light bike. What I hate about the wind is that it often shifts after mid-day when central Oregon warms up. If you mis-time your ride, you can end up with a headwind both ways. The wind remained out of the east for me today, and I had a screaming tail wind going home down Marine Drive -- which made me feel like Cancellara with a Gruber assist. It was great until I ran over a cement board screw and tore up my front tire. I had to boot it with a $1. I think Park sells $1 bills as tire boots. They're $2. And not to sound too cranky, but I get tired of guys riding by and asking if I'm O.K. One guy actually stopped and was cross-examining me about the flat. Do you have this, do you have that? I just kept saying, "I've got it. I'm O.K.; I've got it." He wouldn't go away. He was wearing tights with pink flamingos on them. I kid you not. I once had a guy stop and basically take over fixing a flat -- it was so surrealistic that I just stood there and let it happen. It the officious flat fixing people. Another Portland trope. "The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp." Maybe for your Portland homeless camps. The pros are in LA: http://ktla.com/2018/03/10/eye-poppi...ss-encampment/ Within weeks all that will probably be back :-( Out of curiosity where do the "homeless" go when they are "cleared out", as the article describes? After all they are "homeless" so they don't have a home and one assumes that they can't pay for a hotel room. So where do they go? They are what Hitchcock called 'the McGuffin', a device to move the plot along. Doesn't really matter. In this case, the important principle of governance is, "Once the problem's solved, the money stops." https://nypost.com/2018/03/06/everyo...meless-policy/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/de-bla...ing-explosion/ Solving problems is anathema to anyone in politics. Back when I was a young Airman I worked with a guy - probably had 10 or 12 total years service - but he had mentioned that his first hitch he had been in the Horse Drawn Field Artillery which was pretty far back. I asked him about that and he said yes, that his first enlistment was in 1930-something. When I asked him why he wasn't already retired he said that when he'd finished an enlistment he'd get out and work for a while but when he couldn't find a job he had reenlisted. Maybe we should re-discover this solution for the problem of the homeless. -- Cheers, John B. |
New bike path
I escaped Yuma's prison of dwarf Nazis waking g me ever 2 hours while the curre cb ntly old man battled in an antibiotic fog battling black spot n ran the biggie or biggie as the wp vacillate heading easteast over BG for a days crossing TX for another drop the ball to break up the monotony.
The JOURNEYS eetğxperimental success belies me my furbearers were on Blights boat. The oil patch a previously mentioned was passing experience, that mechanical fluidity of everyone meshing. The outside of the inside was Parkland. When I tried |
New bike path
On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:58:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/12/2018 7:35 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:38:15 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-11 16:12, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. |
New bike path
I'm in it now .... I am back in caws when ● tried beg inning cleaning the van I sat resting afet 30m I could not rise eventually. ending aside the truck on cleran beach rinsed asphalt for 30 minutes before duggie, Berlins grandson trucker came by to ask abt the holdup.
Bad well water .. |
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Avh...bad con ection dropping the story line ..Parkland was geography neath my path home.
Whew |
New bike path
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:58:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/12/2018 7:35 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:38:15 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-11 16:12, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. If you forgot, he shattered both of his ankles skiing on Christmas Eve. I set him up with the recovered Roubaix -- complete with the flat pedals the meth tweakers had put on the bike. I also put some bright blue duct tape on the crank arms to keep them from being scuffed the ortho boots. The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. Today, he rode outside for the first time. A few times around the neighborhood streets. 3.5km and 80 meters of climbing -- in ortho boots. I think he can still beat me even with two surgically repaired ankles. The weather was perfect today -- 65F, blue skies. I was headed out to the Columbia River Gorge but turned back before Crown Point because the f****** wind. I got tired of thrashing myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcP8qK_CSZA 00:39 is why you don't want a light bike. What I hate about the wind is that it often shifts after mid-day when central Oregon warms up. If you mis-time your ride, you can end up with a headwind both ways. The wind remained out of the east for me today, and I had a screaming tail wind going home down Marine Drive -- which made me feel like Cancellara with a Gruber assist. It was great until I ran over a cement board screw and tore up my front tire. I had to boot it with a $1. I think Park sells $1 bills as tire boots. They're $2. And not to sound too cranky, but I get tired of guys riding by and asking if I'm O.K. One guy actually stopped and was cross-examining me about the flat. Do you have this, do you have that? I just kept saying, "I've got it. I'm O.K.; I've got it." He wouldn't go away. He was wearing tights with pink flamingos on them. I kid you not. I once had a guy stop and basically take over fixing a flat -- it was so surrealistic that I just stood there and let it happen. It the officious flat fixing people. Another Portland trope. "The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp." Maybe for your Portland homeless camps. The pros are in LA: http://ktla.com/2018/03/10/eye-poppi...ss-encampment/ Within weeks all that will probably be back :-( Out of curiosity where do the "homeless" go when they are "cleared out", as the article describes? After all they are "homeless" so they don't have a home and one assumes that they can't pay for a hotel room. So where do they go? They are what Hitchcock called 'the McGuffin', a device to move the plot along. Doesn't really matter. In this case, the important principle of governance is, "Once the problem's solved, the money stops." https://nypost.com/2018/03/06/everyo...meless-policy/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/de-bla...ing-explosion/ Solving problems is anathema to anyone in politics. Back when I was a young Airman I worked with a guy - probably had 10 or 12 total years service - but he had mentioned that his first hitch he had been in the Horse Drawn Field Artillery which was pretty far back. I asked him about that and he said yes, that his first enlistment was in 1930-something. When I asked him why he wasn't already retired he said that when he'd finished an enlistment he'd get out and work for a while but when he couldn't find a job he had reenlisted. Maybe we should re-discover this solution for the problem of the homeless. The armed services used to be an alternative to serving time for petty crimes, but I don't think any branch wants known drug addicts, psychotics, schizophrenics, etc., etc. I would guess than only a small fraction of the homeless are there because they lost a job -- at least based on my observations. My last assignment in the A.F. I had a confessed drug addict assigned to the shop. He went to the Hospital every morning for a shot and as he was a dope addict had no security clearance which meant he couldn't work on any of the aircraft. As a result he could only work straight days and on projects that were not associated with either the B-52's or the Tankers. Not a really welcome addition to a shop that is working days, nights, and Sundays fixing airplanes :-) I spent considerable effort on trying to get him removed from the shop so I could indent for a replacement who could work on the flight line but the guy finally solved my problem by deserting. -- Jay Beattie. But even people sleeping on a park bench have to eat. Where does that money come from? Unemployment payments? -- Cheers, John B. |
New bike path
On 2018-03-12 22:26, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:58:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/12/2018 7:35 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:38:15 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-11 16:12, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. If you forgot, he shattered both of his ankles skiing on Christmas Eve. I set him up with the recovered Roubaix -- complete with the flat pedals the meth tweakers had put on the bike. I also put some bright blue duct tape on the crank arms to keep them from being scuffed the ortho boots. The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. Today, he rode outside for the first time. A few times around the neighborhood streets. 3.5km and 80 meters of climbing -- in ortho boots. I think he can still beat me even with two surgically repaired ankles. The weather was perfect today -- 65F, blue skies. I was headed out to the Columbia River Gorge but turned back before Crown Point because the f****** wind. I got tired of thrashing myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcP8qK_CSZA 00:39 is why you don't want a light bike. What I hate about the wind is that it often shifts after mid-day when central Oregon warms up. If you mis-time your ride, you can end up with a headwind both ways. The wind remained out of the east for me today, and I had a screaming tail wind going home down Marine Drive -- which made me feel like Cancellara with a Gruber assist. It was great until I ran over a cement board screw and tore up my front tire. I had to boot it with a $1. I think Park sells $1 bills as tire boots. They're $2. And not to sound too cranky, but I get tired of guys riding by and asking if I'm O.K. One guy actually stopped and was cross-examining me about the flat. Do you have this, do you have that? I just kept saying, "I've got it. I'm O.K.; I've got it." He wouldn't go away. He was wearing tights with pink flamingos on them. I kid you not. I once had a guy stop and basically take over fixing a flat -- it was so surrealistic that I just stood there and let it happen. It the officious flat fixing people. Another Portland trope. "The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp." Maybe for your Portland homeless camps. The pros are in LA: http://ktla.com/2018/03/10/eye-poppi...ss-encampment/ Within weeks all that will probably be back :-( Out of curiosity where do the "homeless" go when they are "cleared out", as the article describes? Into other similar areas until they are either kicked out there or the old turf is low enough in the police presence to move back. After all they are "homeless" so they don't have a home and one assumes that they can't pay for a hotel room. So where do they go? They are what Hitchcock called 'the McGuffin', a device to move the plot along. Doesn't really matter. In this case, the important principle of governance is, "Once the problem's solved, the money stops." https://nypost.com/2018/03/06/everyo...meless-policy/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/de-bla...ing-explosion/ Solving problems is anathema to anyone in politics. Back when I was a young Airman I worked with a guy - probably had 10 or 12 total years service - but he had mentioned that his first hitch he had been in the Horse Drawn Field Artillery which was pretty far back. I asked him about that and he said yes, that his first enlistment was in 1930-something. When I asked him why he wasn't already retired he said that when he'd finished an enlistment he'd get out and work for a while but when he couldn't find a job he had reenlisted. Maybe we should re-discover this solution for the problem of the homeless. The armed services used to be an alternative to serving time for petty crimes, but I don't think any branch wants known drug addicts, psychotics, schizophrenics, etc., etc. I would guess than only a small fraction of the homeless are there because they lost a job -- at least based on my observations. My last assignment in the A.F. I had a confessed drug addict assigned to the shop. He went to the Hospital every morning for a shot and as he was a dope addict had no security clearance which meant he couldn't work on any of the aircraft. As a result he could only work straight days and on projects that were not associated with either the B-52's or the Tankers. Not a really welcome addition to a shop that is working days, nights, and Sundays fixing airplanes :-) I spent considerable effort on trying to get him removed from the shop so I could indent for a replacement who could work on the flight line but the guy finally solved my problem by deserting. -- Jay Beattie. But even people sleeping on a park bench have to eat. Where does that money come from? Unemployment payments? Sometimes. Also welfare payments, food pantries, soup kitchens, shelters, begging, theft. Many older homeless also get social security payments. For a long time our church members cooked for homeless and brought dinner to a "tolerated camp". Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
New bike path
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-12 22:26, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:58:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/12/2018 7:35 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:38:15 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-11 16:12, AMuzi wrote: On 3/11/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/10/2018 8:42 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-8, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2018-03-10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, wrote: On todays route, to Dutch standards through the middle of nowhere, I noticed that a new bike path is constructed (about 3-4 km long) along a quiet road. Even I was surprised that we go to this kind of trouble. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gAFqDSnOECBcxETP2 Wow, I guess that's what you get when you don't have to pay for cruise missiles. I think we should conquer NL and take the bike paths. Jay, you win the Internet today. Here's your Unca Sam chapeau. r==i |**| L==| -======- Aw right! A new hat! I'll wear it leading the charge into Amsterdam! Which way to the coffee shop? If I recall, 'coffee shop' in Nederlanderese means 'pot vendor'. You needn't bother since you're in Oregon already. Dutch buy coffee in an 'espresso bar' I think. Lou, is that right? Yes, I was using the term "coffee shop" to mean dispensary of the evil weed with its roots in hell. Invading foreign countries is stressful. You need something to take the edge off. Speaking of getting high in NL, the flatness there is staggering.. 50 meters in 85km? Dang. My son JUST GOT OUT OF HIS WHEELCHAIR! He was cleared to stand last Wednesday, and one of the first things he did was get on his trainer. If you forgot, he shattered both of his ankles skiing on Christmas Eve. I set him up with the recovered Roubaix -- complete with the flat pedals the meth tweakers had put on the bike. I also put some bright blue duct tape on the crank arms to keep them from being scuffed the ortho boots. The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp. Today, he rode outside for the first time. A few times around the neighborhood streets. 3.5km and 80 meters of climbing -- in ortho boots. I think he can still beat me even with two surgically repaired ankles. The weather was perfect today -- 65F, blue skies. I was headed out to the Columbia River Gorge but turned back before Crown Point because the f****** wind. I got tired of thrashing myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcP8qK_CSZA 00:39 is why you don't want a light bike. What I hate about the wind is that it often shifts after mid-day when central Oregon warms up. If you mis-time your ride, you can end up with a headwind both ways. The wind remained out of the east for me today, and I had a screaming tail wind going home down Marine Drive -- which made me feel like Cancellara with a Gruber assist. It was great until I ran over a cement board screw and tore up my front tire. I had to boot it with a $1. I think Park sells $1 bills as tire boots. They're $2. And not to sound too cranky, but I get tired of guys riding by and asking if I'm O.K. One guy actually stopped and was cross-examining me about the flat. Do you have this, do you have that? I just kept saying, "I've got it. I'm O.K.; I've got it." He wouldn't go away. He was wearing tights with pink flamingos on them. I kid you not. I once had a guy stop and basically take over fixing a flat -- it was so surrealistic that I just stood there and let it happen. It the officious flat fixing people. Another Portland trope. "The bike looks like something right out of a homeless camp." Maybe for your Portland homeless camps. The pros are in LA: http://ktla.com/2018/03/10/eye-poppi...ss-encampment/ Within weeks all that will probably be back :-( Out of curiosity where do the "homeless" go when they are "cleared out", as the article describes? Into other similar areas until they are either kicked out there or the old turf is low enough in the police presence to move back. After all they are "homeless" so they don't have a home and one assumes that they can't pay for a hotel room. So where do they go? They are what Hitchcock called 'the McGuffin', a device to move the plot along. Doesn't really matter. In this case, the important principle of governance is, "Once the problem's solved, the money stops." https://nypost.com/2018/03/06/everyo...meless-policy/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/de-bla...ing-explosion/ Solving problems is anathema to anyone in politics. Back when I was a young Airman I worked with a guy - probably had 10 or 12 total years service - but he had mentioned that his first hitch he had been in the Horse Drawn Field Artillery which was pretty far back. I asked him about that and he said yes, that his first enlistment was in 1930-something. When I asked him why he wasn't already retired he said that when he'd finished an enlistment he'd get out and work for a while but when he couldn't find a job he had reenlisted. Maybe we should re-discover this solution for the problem of the homeless. The armed services used to be an alternative to serving time for petty crimes, but I don't think any branch wants known drug addicts, psychotics, schizophrenics, etc., etc. I would guess than only a small fraction of the homeless are there because they lost a job -- at least based on my observations. My last assignment in the A.F. I had a confessed drug addict assigned to the shop. He went to the Hospital every morning for a shot and as he was a dope addict had no security clearance which meant he couldn't work on any of the aircraft. As a result he could only work straight days and on projects that were not associated with either the B-52's or the Tankers. Not a really welcome addition to a shop that is working days, nights, and Sundays fixing airplanes :-) I spent considerable effort on trying to get him removed from the shop so I could indent for a replacement who could work on the flight line but the guy finally solved my problem by deserting. -- Jay Beattie. But even people sleeping on a park bench have to eat. Where does that money come from? Unemployment payments? Sometimes. Also welfare payments, food pantries, soup kitchens, shelters, begging, theft. Many older homeless also get social security payments. For a long time our church members cooked for homeless and brought dinner to a "tolerated camp". Don't forget picking through trash cans. Lots of good eats there. Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. -- Jay Beattie. |
New bike path
On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-12 22:26, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:58:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/12/2018 7:35 PM, John B. wrote: [...] After all they are "homeless" so they don't have a home and one assumes that they can't pay for a hotel room. So where do they go? They are what Hitchcock called 'the McGuffin', a device to move the plot along. Doesn't really matter. In this case, the important principle of governance is, "Once the problem's solved, the money stops." https://nypost.com/2018/03/06/everyo...meless-policy/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/de-bla...ing-explosion/ Solving problems is anathema to anyone in politics. Back when I was a young Airman I worked with a guy - probably had 10 or 12 total years service - but he had mentioned that his first hitch he had been in the Horse Drawn Field Artillery which was pretty far back. I asked him about that and he said yes, that his first enlistment was in 1930-something. When I asked him why he wasn't already retired he said that when he'd finished an enlistment he'd get out and work for a while but when he couldn't find a job he had reenlisted. Maybe we should re-discover this solution for the problem of the homeless. The armed services used to be an alternative to serving time for petty crimes, but I don't think any branch wants known drug addicts, psychotics, schizophrenics, etc., etc. I would guess than only a small fraction of the homeless are there because they lost a job -- at least based on my observations. My last assignment in the A.F. I had a confessed drug addict assigned to the shop. He went to the Hospital every morning for a shot and as he was a dope addict had no security clearance which meant he couldn't work on any of the aircraft. As a result he could only work straight days and on projects that were not associated with either the B-52's or the Tankers. Not a really welcome addition to a shop that is working days, nights, and Sundays fixing airplanes :-) I spent considerable effort on trying to get him removed from the shop so I could indent for a replacement who could work on the flight line but the guy finally solved my problem by deserting. -- Jay Beattie. But even people sleeping on a park bench have to eat. Where does that money come from? Unemployment payments? Sometimes. Also welfare payments, food pantries, soup kitchens, shelters, begging, theft. Many older homeless also get social security payments. For a long time our church members cooked for homeless and brought dinner to a "tolerated camp". Don't forget picking through trash cans. Lots of good eats there. So far I have only seen folks looking for booze in there. Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
New bike path
On 3/13/2018 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-12 22:26, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:58:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/12/2018 7:35 PM, John B. wrote: [...] After all they are "homeless" so they don't have a home and one assumes that they can't pay for a hotel room. So where do they go? They are what Hitchcock called 'the McGuffin', a device to move the plot along. Doesn't really matter. In this case, the important principle of governance is, "Once the problem's solved, the money stops." https://nypost.com/2018/03/06/everyo...meless-policy/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/de-bla...ing-explosion/ Solving problems is anathema to anyone in politics. Back when I was a young Airman I worked with a guy - probably had 10 or 12 total years service - but he had mentioned that his first hitch he had been in the Horse Drawn Field Artillery which was pretty far back. I asked him about that and he said yes, that his first enlistment was in 1930-something. When I asked him why he wasn't already retired he said that when he'd finished an enlistment he'd get out and work for a while but when he couldn't find a job he had reenlisted. Maybe we should re-discover this solution for the problem of the homeless. The armed services used to be an alternative to serving time for petty crimes, but I don't think any branch wants known drug addicts, psychotics, schizophrenics, etc., etc. I would guess than only a small fraction of the homeless are there because they lost a job -- at least based on my observations. My last assignment in the A.F. I had a confessed drug addict assigned to the shop. He went to the Hospital every morning for a shot and as he was a dope addict had no security clearance which meant he couldn't work on any of the aircraft. As a result he could only work straight days and on projects that were not associated with either the B-52's or the Tankers. Not a really welcome addition to a shop that is working days, nights, and Sundays fixing airplanes :-) I spent considerable effort on trying to get him removed from the shop so I could indent for a replacement who could work on the flight line but the guy finally solved my problem by deserting. -- Jay Beattie. But even people sleeping on a park bench have to eat. Where does that money come from? Unemployment payments? Sometimes. Also welfare payments, food pantries, soup kitchens, shelters, begging, theft. Many older homeless also get social security payments. For a long time our church members cooked for homeless and brought dinner to a "tolerated camp". Don't forget picking through trash cans. Lots of good eats there. So far I have only seen folks looking for booze in there. Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Who are you and what have you done with The Real Joerg, who likes high taxes for expensive elaborate kiddy paths paid for by the long suffering working man? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
New bike path
On 2018-03-13 13:21, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/13/2018 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: [...] Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Who are you and what have you done with The Real Joerg, who likes high taxes for expensive elaborate kiddy paths paid for by the long suffering working man? I never liked high taxes. All I want is that taxes are invested wisely. Investment in bikes paths and bike lanes is wise, investment in a bullet train to nowhere is not. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
New bike path
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 12:58:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-12 22:26, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:58:03 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/12/2018 7:35 PM, John B. wrote: [...] After all they are "homeless" so they don't have a home and one assumes that they can't pay for a hotel room. So where do they go? They are what Hitchcock called 'the McGuffin', a device to move the plot along. Doesn't really matter. In this case, the important principle of governance is, "Once the problem's solved, the money stops." https://nypost.com/2018/03/06/everyo...meless-policy/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/de-bla...ing-explosion/ Solving problems is anathema to anyone in politics. Back when I was a young Airman I worked with a guy - probably had 10 or 12 total years service - but he had mentioned that his first hitch he had been in the Horse Drawn Field Artillery which was pretty far back. I asked him about that and he said yes, that his first enlistment was in 1930-something. When I asked him why he wasn't already retired he said that when he'd finished an enlistment he'd get out and work for a while but when he couldn't find a job he had reenlisted. Maybe we should re-discover this solution for the problem of the homeless. The armed services used to be an alternative to serving time for petty crimes, but I don't think any branch wants known drug addicts, psychotics, schizophrenics, etc., etc. I would guess than only a small fraction of the homeless are there because they lost a job -- at least based on my observations. My last assignment in the A.F. I had a confessed drug addict assigned to the shop. He went to the Hospital every morning for a shot and as he was a dope addict had no security clearance which meant he couldn't work on any of the aircraft. As a result he could only work straight days and on projects that were not associated with either the B-52's or the Tankers. Not a really welcome addition to a shop that is working days, nights, and Sundays fixing airplanes :-) I spent considerable effort on trying to get him removed from the shop so I could indent for a replacement who could work on the flight line but the guy finally solved my problem by deserting. -- Jay Beattie. But even people sleeping on a park bench have to eat. Where does that money come from? Unemployment payments? Sometimes. Also welfare payments, food pantries, soup kitchens, shelters, begging, theft. Many older homeless also get social security payments. For a long time our church members cooked for homeless and brought dinner to a "tolerated camp". Don't forget picking through trash cans. Lots of good eats there. So far I have only seen folks looking for booze in there. Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. This map gives Oregon better numbers: https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1500&fn[]=2900&fn[]=6100&fn[]=10100&fn[]=14100&all_types=true&year=2017 The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work.. Hmmm. Referring to my map, how do you explain Texas and Florida -- or even Pennsylvania? You're not going to "tough love" a bunch of schizophrenics or drug addled or brain injured people into getting work. You just push them further into criminality or they do nothing and die off due to starvation or exposure. I mean those are options. https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ortland-oregon But, for some reason, those options tend to turn people off. Bunch of snowflakes! What we need is a longer snow season! -- Jay Beattie. |
New bike path
On 2018-03-13 13:41, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 12:58:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: [...] Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. This map gives Oregon better numbers: https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1500&fn[]=2900&fn[]=6100&fn[]=10100&fn[]=14100&all_types=true&year=2017 It doesn't. Oregon has about 10% of inhabintants versus California so its homeless rate is higher. But only slightly. California is quite bad in that domain, as evidenced during most of my bike rides. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Hmmm. Referring to my map, how do you explain Texas and Florida -- or even Pennsylvania? Simple: You need to look at the total population and then divide the number of homeless by that. Texas has almost the number of inhabitants as California but only a fraction of our number of homeless. Same with Florida. Half the number of people as in California but less than a quarter of our homeless. You're not going to "tough love" a bunch of schizophrenics or drug addled or brain injured people into getting work. You just push them further into criminality or they do nothing and die off due to starvation or exposure. We have to take a look at how states with a much lower homeless percentage do it. They usually have a much less generous welfare system and that is part of the reason. The other is smaller government, lower taxes and thus more affordable housing. You can buy the same kind of house for half in Texas versus California. Not all homeless are druggies. The topper so far was a homeless man whom I gave some money. It was in Washington D.C., he was well-mannered, a bit dirty but wore an old suit, with tie! I mean those are options. Sure, but out-of-control welfare isn't. Neither is legalizing marijuana which will backfire, big time. https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ortland-oregon But, for some reason, those options tend to turn people off. Bunch of snowflakes! What we need is a longer snow season! That's the problem, there are shelters but often homeless do not use them. One thing shelters must do though is to also provide for their animals. Nobody would go into a shelter and leave their dog to die outside in a snow storm. I know you don't hold dogs in high regard but other people do, just as I do. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
New bike path
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:26:50 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-03-13 13:21, AMuzi wrote: On 3/13/2018 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: [...] Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Who are you and what have you done with The Real Joerg, who likes high taxes for expensive elaborate kiddy paths paid for by the long suffering working man? I never liked high taxes. All I want is that taxes are invested wisely. Investment in bikes paths and bike lanes is wise, investment in a bullet train to nowhere is not. I see, you feel that building expensive bike paths for an almost infinitesimal portion of the road users is wise investment? After all, bicycles comprise about 2% of all road accidents and studies I've seen state that nation wide bicycles make up about 1% of the total traffic. Doesn't spend substantial portions of the tax budget on a group that comprises only 1% of the road users seem a bit one sided? -- Cheers, John B. |
New bike path
On 3/13/2018 4:09 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-13 13:41, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 12:58:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: [...] Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. This map gives Oregon better numbers: https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1500&fn[]=2900&fn[]=6100&fn[]=10100&fn[]=14100&all_types=true&year=2017 It doesn't. Oregon has about 10% of inhabintants versus California so its homeless rate is higher. But only slightly. California is quite bad in that domain, as evidenced during most of my bike rides. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Hmmm. Referring to my map, how do you explain Texas and Florida -- or even Pennsylvania? Simple: You need to look at the total population and then divide the number of homeless by that. Texas has almost the number of inhabitants as California but only a fraction of our number of homeless. Same with Florida. Half the number of people as in California but less than a quarter of our homeless. You're not going to "tough love" a bunch of schizophrenics or drug addled or brain injured people into getting work. You just push them further into criminality or they do nothing and die off due to starvation or exposure. We have to take a look at how states with a much lower homeless percentage do it. They usually have a much less generous welfare system and that is part of the reason. The other is smaller government, lower taxes and thus more affordable housing. You can buy the same kind of house for half in Texas versus California. Not all homeless are druggies. The topper so far was a homeless man whom I gave some money. It was in Washington D.C., he was well-mannered, a bit dirty but wore an old suit, with tie! I mean those are options. Sure, but out-of-control welfare isn't. Neither is legalizing marijuana which will backfire, big time. https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ortland-oregon But, for some reason, those options tend to turn people off. Bunch of snowflakes! What we need is a longer snow season! That's the problem, there are shelters but often homeless do not use them. One thing shelters must do though is to also provide for their animals. Nobody would go into a shelter and leave their dog to die outside in a snow storm. I know you don't hold dogs in high regard but other people do, just as I do. When you get your California temps down to minus 21F the problem may resolve itself: http://www.inforum.com/content/homel...aused-exposure -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
New bike path
On 3/13/2018 3:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: Let me know if you come up with a solution.* I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. I've looked for data proving that conservative politics cures homelessness. I haven't found it yet. Give me a link if you have one. Regarding your little list of cities, I suspect the differences in rates may be caused by other factors. Not that politics has negligible effect - but how about weather? If I were a bum with no family connections, I might easily decide that sleeping outside in California or Oregon beats sleeping where the wind chill goes into negative Fahrenheit. (A song from _Midnight Cowboy_ mentioned "Going where the weather suits my clothes.") And big cities are probably easier than tiny towns as sources for shelter of all kinds, sources of temporary jobs, blending into crowds, etc. If there's a homeless person in my little village of 3000 (which one poster mocked as "Mayberry") I certainly don't know about him. I get very skeptical of people who think their political ideology is the answer to every problem. Except, as several others have pointed out, you abandon your conservative principles when you whine for bike ghettos. You suddenly lose your courage and individualism, and want to socially engineer people's transportation choice by spending tax funds. -- - Frank Krygowski |
New bike path
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-13 13:41, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 12:58:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: [...] Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. This map gives Oregon better numbers: https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1500&fn[]=2900&fn[]=6100&fn[]=10100&fn[]=14100&all_types=true&year=2017 It doesn't. Oregon has about 10% of inhabintants versus California so its homeless rate is higher. But only slightly. California is quite bad in that domain, as evidenced during most of my bike rides. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Hmmm. Referring to my map, how do you explain Texas and Florida -- or even Pennsylvania? Simple: You need to look at the total population and then divide the number of homeless by that. Texas has almost the number of inhabitants as California but only a fraction of our number of homeless. Same with Florida. Half the number of people as in California but less than a quarter of our homeless. Both states have cities with some of the highest homeless rates in the US -- notwithstanding regressive social policies. "More than half of the homeless population in the United States was in five states: CA (21% or 115,738 people), NY (16% or 88,250 people), FL (6% or 35,900 people), TX (4% or 23,678 people), and MA (4% or 21,135 people)" https://www.acsh.org/news/2016/10/13...s-people-10300 States with high and low homeless rates are all over the country. The highest rates of homelessness among states are in Hawaii (465 per 100,000), followed by New York (399) and California (367). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.34cbc2a1b7a3 You're not going to "tough love" a bunch of schizophrenics or drug addled or brain injured people into getting work. You just push them further into criminality or they do nothing and die off due to starvation or exposure. We have to take a look at how states with a much lower homeless percentage do it. They usually have a much less generous welfare system and that is part of the reason. The other is smaller government, lower taxes and thus more affordable housing. You can buy the same kind of house for half in Texas versus California. Not all homeless are druggies. The topper so far was a homeless man whom I gave some money. It was in Washington D.C., he was well-mannered, a bit dirty but wore an old suit, with tie! I mean those are options. Sure, but out-of-control welfare isn't. Neither is legalizing marijuana which will backfire, big time. https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ortland-oregon But, for some reason, those options tend to turn people off. Bunch of snowflakes! What we need is a longer snow season! That's the problem, there are shelters but often homeless do not use them. One thing shelters must do though is to also provide for their animals. Nobody would go into a shelter and leave their dog to die outside in a snow storm. I know you don't hold dogs in high regard but other people do, just as I do. How has welfare changed in the last 20 years? That's not a rhetorical question. Really -- go and look at the changes and analyze whether that accounts for increased homelessness in California. Track the changes against homeless population increases and decreases, then you can determine what social policies make a difference. Personally, I see a lot of crazy people, many drug affected, some on the streets by choice (the uber Bohemian set) and the rare person who lost a job and became economically displaced. Washington has had legalized MJ since 2012. Crime rate has dropped. The number of traffic fatalities in Washington dropped after the first year of legal marijuana possession and use. I'm sure there are some consequences to legalization, but there have been no catastrophes in Washington or Oregon. As for dogs, if I were living on the edge, I would not own a pet, unless I were a woman and needed the protection. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 2018-03-13 21:00, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 2:09:54 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 13:41, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 12:58:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: [...] The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Hmmm. Referring to my map, how do you explain Texas and Florida -- or even Pennsylvania? Simple: You need to look at the total population and then divide the number of homeless by that. Texas has almost the number of inhabitants as California but only a fraction of our number of homeless. Same with Florida. Half the number of people as in California but less than a quarter of our homeless. Both states have cities with some of the highest homeless rates in the US -- notwithstanding regressive social policies. "More than half of the homeless population in the United States was in five states: CA (21% or 115,738 people), NY (16% or 88,250 people), FL (6% or 35,900 people), TX (4% or 23,678 people), and MA (4% or 21,135 people)" Again, the rate matters, not absolute numbers. "4% of the country" is not a "rate". Journalism at its finest, I guess. https://www.acsh.org/news/2016/10/13...s-people-10300 States with high and low homeless rates are all over the country. The highest rates of homelessness among states are in Hawaii (465 per 100,000), followed by New York (399) and California (367). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.34cbc2a1b7a3 That depends on which sources one believes. But it doesn't matter, in the end it confirms that the problem is more prevalent in left-leaning states. Which is not a surprise at all. You're not going to "tough love" a bunch of schizophrenics or drug addled or brain injured people into getting work. You just push them further into criminality or they do nothing and die off due to starvation or exposure. We have to take a look at how states with a much lower homeless percentage do it. They usually have a much less generous welfare system and that is part of the reason. The other is smaller government, lower taxes and thus more affordable housing. You can buy the same kind of house for half in Texas versus California. Not all homeless are druggies. The topper so far was a homeless man whom I gave some money. It was in Washington D.C., he was well-mannered, a bit dirty but wore an old suit, with tie! I mean those are options. Sure, but out-of-control welfare isn't. Neither is legalizing marijuana which will backfire, big time. https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ortland-oregon But, for some reason, those options tend to turn people off. Bunch of snowflakes! What we need is a longer snow season! That's the problem, there are shelters but often homeless do not use them. One thing shelters must do though is to also provide for their animals. Nobody would go into a shelter and leave their dog to die outside in a snow storm. I know you don't hold dogs in high regard but other people do, just as I do. How has welfare changed in the last 20 years? That's not a rhetorical question. Really -- go and look at the changes and analyze whether that accounts for increased homelessness in California. Track the changes against homeless population increases and decreases, then you can determine what social policies make a difference. Personally, I see a lot of crazy people, many drug affected, some on the streets by choice (the uber Bohemian set) and the rare person who lost a job and became economically displaced. That has already been studied at nauseam and the conclusions are generally always the same: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...114-story.html On purpose I have brought a link from a somewhat left-leaning paper. Even they admit to what the root causes for the increase (and decrease in other regions) in homelessness are. Washington has had legalized MJ since 2012. Crime rate has dropped. The number of traffic fatalities in Washington dropped after the first year of legal marijuana possession and use. I'm sure there are some consequences to legalization, but there have been no catastrophes in Washington or Oregon. That is not what I read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2ff35e19e705 There is more. I lived in NL where the stuff became legal decades ago. That was one sad story and in sharp contrast to Germany where I alsio live and later commuted into daily. In our small village we had lots of zombies running around. People with hardcore brain damage from drugs. The story was nearly always the same. First "harmless' drugs, then peer pressure to try some of the "real stuff". The stuff that the shady guy in the long coat at the bar over there was pushing. The young son of my landlady who otherwise had everything going for him (good education, very pretty girlfriend, etc.) died from an overdose. The police found his body in a canal. Legalized pot? No thanks. I am squarely against it and will ever be. As for dogs, if I were living on the edge, I would not own a pet, unless I were a woman and needed the protection. They sometimes do. But yeah, I wouldn't have a pet either no matter how much I like dogs. Once you have one though you are fully responsible for it. Sometimes they are inherited because someone died and begged a friend to take care of Fido who would otherwise likely die or be killed in the shelter. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2018-03-13 19:57, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/13/2018 3:58 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. I've looked for data proving that conservative politics cures homelessness. I haven't found it yet. Give me a link if you have one. I just did in my answer to Jay. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...114-story.html It is less about conservative principles reducing homelessness (although some do, as pointed out) but more about how liberal priniciples such as free spending foster homelessness. Because they do. Regarding your little list of cities, I suspect the differences in rates may be caused by other factors. Not that politics has negligible effect - but how about weather? If I were a bum with no family connections, I might easily decide that sleeping outside in California or Oregon beats sleeping where the wind chill goes into negative Fahrenheit. (A song from _Midnight Cowboy_ mentioned "Going where the weather suits my clothes.") And big cities are probably easier than tiny towns as sources for shelter of all kinds, sources of temporary jobs, blending into crowds, etc. If there's a homeless person in my little village of 3000 (which one poster mocked as "Mayberry") I certainly don't know about him. I get very skeptical of people who think their political ideology is the answer to every problem. Except, as several others have pointed out, you abandon your conservative principles when you whine for bike ghettos. You suddenly lose your courage and individualism, and want to socially engineer people's transportation choice by spending tax funds. Nonsense. I want tax Dollars to be spent wisely. For example, building a bullet train from nowhere to nowhere at totally out-of-control costs like California does right now is not wise. Building bike path for a small fraction of that money is wise. Also, if the cyclists' (or any others') right of way is curtailed such it is here by prohibiting bicycle use on Highway 50 these constituents must be commensurately compensated by providing another path. Which we finally have at least to the east (though you need a mountain bike). That is a rather conservative view. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2018-03-13 18:08, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:26:50 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 13:21, AMuzi wrote: On 3/13/2018 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: [...] Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Who are you and what have you done with The Real Joerg, who likes high taxes for expensive elaborate kiddy paths paid for by the long suffering working man? I never liked high taxes. All I want is that taxes are invested wisely. Investment in bikes paths and bike lanes is wise, investment in a bullet train to nowhere is not. I see, you feel that building expensive bike paths for an almost infinitesimal portion of the road users is wise investment? It is, because 1. They are not expensive. The bullet train just went to $68B and I am sure when t's all said and done it will be north of $150B or a whole year's state budget. 2. The number is not infinitesimal. If you provide proper infrastructure they will come: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfuxptI2uU After all, bicycles comprise about 2% of all road accidents and studies I've seen state that nation wide bicycles make up about 1% of the total traffic. Doesn't spend substantial portions of the tax budget on a group that comprises only 1% of the road users seem a bit one sided? So why don't we start by spending 1%? That's plenty. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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jbeattie writes:
[...] How has welfare changed in the last 20 years? That's not a rhetorical question. Really -- go and look at the changes and analyze whether that accounts for increased homelessness in California. Track the changes against homeless population increases and decreases, then you can determine what social policies make a difference. Personally, I see a lot of crazy people, many drug affected, some on the streets by choice (the uber Bohemian set) and the rare person who lost a job and became economically displaced. Washington has had legalized MJ since 2012. Crime rate has dropped. The number of traffic fatalities in Washington dropped after the first year of legal marijuana possession and use. I'm sure there are some consequences to legalization, but there have been no catastrophes in Washington or Oregon. As for dogs, if I were living on the edge, I would not own a pet, unless I were a woman and needed the protection. Men are immune from assault and theft? News to me. One of the big problems of being homeless is that there is no secure place to put your stuff, so it gets stolen by other homeless people, or destroyed by police. Another problem is that if you are assaulted it's very unlikely that anyone in authority will care. Dogs are a rational response to both problems, but they make it a lot harder to get any kind of normal housing. There is enough free or low cost food in the US that feeding a dog is possible for almost anyone, if the highest standards in dog chow are not insisted upon. -- |
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On 3/14/2018 11:21 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-13 21:00, jbeattie wrote: How has welfare changed in the last 20 years? That's not a rhetorical question.* Really -- go and look at the changes and analyze whether that accounts for increased homelessness in California.* Track the changes against homeless population increases and decreases, then you can determine what social policies make a difference.* Personally, I see a lot of crazy people, many drug affected, some on the streets by choice (the uber Bohemian set) and the rare person who lost a job and became economically displaced. That has already been studied at nauseam and the conclusions are generally always the same: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...114-story.html On purpose I have brought a link from a somewhat left-leaning paper. Even they admit to what the root causes for the increase (and decrease in other regions) in homelessness are. The discussion is about homelessness, Joerg. In your zeal to condemn welfare policies you linked to an article about poverty written by a "free market" evangelist. But poverty and homelessness are not the same. I really am interested in data demonstrating a cause & effect relationship between state politics and homelessness. You haven't provided that. Please try again. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 3/14/2018 11:30 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-13 19:57, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/13/2018 3:58 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: Let me know if you come up with a solution.* I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. I've looked for data proving that conservative politics cures homelessness. I haven't found it yet. Give me a link if you have one. I just did in my answer to Jay. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...114-story.html It's hard to have an intelligent conversation with a person who doesn't understand what "data" is. One clue, Joerg: If it's published under the heading "opinion" it probably doesn't contain much scientific data. Quoting a few percentages isn't enough. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 3/14/2018 11:36 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-13 18:08, John B. wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:26:50 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 13:21, AMuzi wrote: On 3/13/2018 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: [...] Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep * I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution.* I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Who are you and what have you done with The Real Joerg, who likes high taxes for expensive elaborate kiddy paths paid for by the long suffering working man? I never liked high taxes. All I want is that taxes are invested wisely. Investment in bikes paths and bike lanes is wise, investment in a bullet train to nowhere is not. I see, you feel that building expensive bike paths for an almost infinitesimal portion of the road users is wise investment? It is, because 1. They are not expensive. The bullet train just went to $68B and I am sure when t's all said and done it will be north of $150B or a whole year's state budget. 2. The number is not infinitesimal. If you provide proper infrastructure they will come: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfuxptI2uU That's not what the video shows. Instead, it shows if you greatly restrict the use of motor vehicles, the bicycles will come. (You remain the only person I've ever heard of who somehow believes U.C. Davis does not restrict motor vehicle use.) Oh, and here's a thorough article on a place that built it, yet they didn't come: http://www.roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com/stevenage/ And that's written by a VERY pro-bicycle author. Why didn't they come? Because they didn't discourage the use of cars. Deal with it. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2018-03-14 09:08, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2018 11:36 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 18:08, John B. wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:26:50 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 13:21, AMuzi wrote: On 3/13/2018 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: [...] Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not get it. I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps." http://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/3...ingwater-sweep I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205 bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc. F****** incredible pigsty. Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic matter. The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on. The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even California (which I hadn't thought was possible). http://nlihc.org/article/ten-highest...ess-state-2012 Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert. The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for it. Socialism does not work. Who are you and what have you done with The Real Joerg, who likes high taxes for expensive elaborate kiddy paths paid for by the long suffering working man? I never liked high taxes. All I want is that taxes are invested wisely. Investment in bikes paths and bike lanes is wise, investment in a bullet train to nowhere is not. I see, you feel that building expensive bike paths for an almost infinitesimal portion of the road users is wise investment? It is, because 1. They are not expensive. The bullet train just went to $68B and I am sure when t's all said and done it will be north of $150B or a whole year's state budget. 2. The number is not infinitesimal. If you provide proper infrastructure they will come: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfuxptI2uU That's not what the video shows. Instead, it shows if you greatly restrict the use of motor vehicles, the bicycles will come. (You remain the only person I've ever heard of who somehow believes U.C. Davis does not restrict motor vehicle use.) Because they don't. I was there a lot on business and due to the distance and the need to schlepp heavy stuff had to use an SUV. Not the slightest problem. They actually accommodate cars better than the city of Sacramento. Oh, and here's a thorough article on a place that built it, yet they didn't come: http://www.roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com/stevenage/ And that's written by a VERY pro-bicycle author. Why didn't they come? Because they didn't discourage the use of cars. Deal with it. Nonsense. We have discussed this ad nauseam and you wouldn't understand. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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