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We hear a lot about bicycling having health benefits forthe one doing the bicycling. Yet a lot of CASUAL bicyclists are not all that healthy.
So, in order to gain NOTICEABLE health benefits from bicycling: 1a. How long in time does each ride need to be? 1b. What intensity does the bicyclist need to reach? Cheers |
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On 10/1/2017 9:56 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
We hear a lot about bicycling having health benefits forthe one doing the bicycling. Yet a lot of CASUAL bicyclists are not all that healthy. So, in order to gain NOTICEABLE health benefits from bicycling: 1a. How long in time does each ride need to be? 1b. What intensity does the bicyclist need to reach? Well, there's this: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/P....aspx#moderate They say "at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity such as cycling or brisk walking every week" or "75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity, such as running or a game of singles tennis every week" plus strength exercises. Following links from that page tells you that flat riding is "moderate," fast or hilly riding is "vigorous." So 10 to 20 minutes per day does it, depending how fast you are. And I suspect most of us here would be considered fast, even though most of us are probably slow by our "used to be" standards. "The older I get, the faster I was." -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:56:32 AM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
We hear a lot about bicycling having health benefits forthe one doing the bicycling. Yet a lot of CASUAL bicyclists are not all that healthy. So, in order to gain NOTICEABLE health benefits from bicycling: 1a. How long in time does each ride need to be? 1b. What intensity does the bicyclist need to reach? There might also be mentioned that most people exercise and fail to see any immediate responses and cease. The Saturday group I ride with are all 70+ and one, who just had his attention taken away by a close call with a car hit a 2x4 and went down on his face, is 85 now. He spent a couple of days in the hospital and is presently staying with his sister. One of the things that urks me is that these people's children generally don't have anything to do with them unless they are getting things in return. My older brother hasn't seen any of his four or five kids from two of his four wives. Of course he doesn't really encourage them either. My younger brother only sees his kids often because he initiates it. |
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On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 1:03:32 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/1/2017 9:56 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: We hear a lot about bicycling having health benefits forthe one doing the bicycling. Yet a lot of CASUAL bicyclists are not all that healthy. So, in order to gain NOTICEABLE health benefits from bicycling: 1a. How long in time does each ride need to be? 1b. What intensity does the bicyclist need to reach? Well, there's this: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/P....aspx#moderate They say "at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity such as cycling or brisk walking every week" or "75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity, such as running or a game of singles tennis every week" plus strength exercises. Following links from that page tells you that flat riding is "moderate," fast or hilly riding is "vigorous." So 10 to 20 minutes per day does it, depending how fast you are. And I suspect most of us here would be considered fast, even though most of us are probably slow by our "used to be" standards. "The older I get, the faster I was." -- - Frank Krygowski I wonder if they built the facilities that Joerg states are mandatory to get non-bicyclists onto bicycles if those new bicyclists would ride that hard for that long? I've tried to get some people in my building interested in bicycling; even to the point of offering them the use of one of my spare bicycles. I got told that theweather was too hot, too cold, too wet and so on. In other words those people had no intention of riding a bicycle even though we have roads with bike lanes on them or very quiet roads that go 2 miles to a 50 miles long rail-trail. People who will ride a bicycle will ride; those who won't ride won't ride. No matter how much bicycling infrastructure you build for them they'll have some excuse to not ride. Cheers |
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 13:41:12 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 1:03:32 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/1/2017 9:56 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: We hear a lot about bicycling having health benefits forthe one doing the bicycling. Yet a lot of CASUAL bicyclists are not all that healthy. So, in order to gain NOTICEABLE health benefits from bicycling: 1a. How long in time does each ride need to be? 1b. What intensity does the bicyclist need to reach? Well, there's this: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/P....aspx#moderate They say "at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity such as cycling or brisk walking every week" or "75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity, such as running or a game of singles tennis every week" plus strength exercises. Following links from that page tells you that flat riding is "moderate," fast or hilly riding is "vigorous." So 10 to 20 minutes per day does it, depending how fast you are. And I suspect most of us here would be considered fast, even though most of us are probably slow by our "used to be" standards. "The older I get, the faster I was." -- - Frank Krygowski I wonder if they built the facilities that Joerg states are mandatory to get non-bicyclists onto bicycles if those new bicyclists would ride that hard for that long? I've tried to get some people in my building interested in bicycling; even to the point of offering them the use of one of my spare bicycles. I got told that theweather was too hot, too cold, too wet and so on. In other words those people had no intention of riding a bicycle even though we have roads with bike lanes on them or very quiet roads that go 2 miles to a 50 miles long rail-trail. People who will ride a bicycle will ride; those who won't ride won't ride. No matter how much bicycling infrastructure you build for them they'll have some excuse to not ride. Cheers I think that you've hit the nail directly on the head. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 1:41:14 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 1:03:32 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/1/2017 9:56 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: We hear a lot about bicycling having health benefits forthe one doing the bicycling. Yet a lot of CASUAL bicyclists are not all that healthy. So, in order to gain NOTICEABLE health benefits from bicycling: 1a. How long in time does each ride need to be? 1b. What intensity does the bicyclist need to reach? Well, there's this: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/fitness/P....aspx#moderate They say "at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity such as cycling or brisk walking every week" or "75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity, such as running or a game of singles tennis every week" plus strength exercises. Following links from that page tells you that flat riding is "moderate," fast or hilly riding is "vigorous." So 10 to 20 minutes per day does it, depending how fast you are. And I suspect most of us here would be considered fast, even though most of us are probably slow by our "used to be" standards. "The older I get, the faster I was." -- - Frank Krygowski I wonder if they built the facilities that Joerg states are mandatory to get non-bicyclists onto bicycles if those new bicyclists would ride that hard for that long? I've tried to get some people in my building interested in bicycling; even to the point of offering them the use of one of my spare bicycles. I got told that theweather was too hot, too cold, too wet and so on. In other words those people had no intention of riding a bicycle even though we have roads with bike lanes on them or very quiet roads that go 2 miles to a 50 miles long rail-trail. People who will ride a bicycle will ride; those who won't ride won't ride.. No matter how much bicycling infrastructure you build for them they'll have some excuse to not ride. But there is that small subset of people that if you have rails to trails so that they feel relatively isolated from asshole drivers WILL take up cycling and gradually grow in confidence. Especially with the help of bike clubs. |
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On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:56:32 AM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
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Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right?
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On 10/9/2017 10:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? He also said "A vigorous five-mile walk will do more good for an unhappy but otherwise healthy adult than all the medicine and psychology in the world." I absolutely believe that! There are times when I simply cannot ride for a while. It definitely affects my mood in a bad way. Getting out for a ride cures that problem marvelously. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:02:59 +0700, John B wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? He also said "A vigorous five-mile walk will do more good for an unhappy but otherwise healthy adult than all the medicine and psychology in the world." -- Cheers, As a licensed psychologist, I've been telling this to people for years. Get outside, get some fresh air and sunshine with some exercise and most people will feel better- some better than they will from talking to me. Even if the client has a bona fide depressive disorder (versus just being disgruntled or overly stressed, which are normal parts of the human experience) regular exercise will usually help at least some. Your overall health will improve, your sleep will improve, your waistline will improve, your bones wil improve, your muscles will improve. And a walk is inexpensive. Our grandmothers knew what they were about when they told us to get out of the house, go play outside and don't come back until lunch time. |
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 22:40:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 10/9/2017 10:02 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? He also said "A vigorous five-mile walk will do more good for an unhappy but otherwise healthy adult than all the medicine and psychology in the world." I absolutely believe that! There are times when I simply cannot ride for a while. It definitely affects my mood in a bad way. Getting out for a ride cures that problem marvelously. I believe that I had mentioned that I just had cataracts removed from both eyes and based on the recommendation of the "eye doctor" I had one done and then when healed - a month later - had the other one done. The doctor was really emphatic about no exercise, no jumping around, no lifting anything heavier then 5 kg., and as a result I simply sat for two months. It was noticeable that not only did I lose a lot of stamina but I also found myself being disgruntled enough they I had to make a very distinct effort not get upset with things, and people. :-) Since I'm "back on my feet", and exercising, I find myself much more calm about things. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 7:40:08 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/9/2017 10:02 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? He also said "A vigorous five-mile walk will do more good for an unhappy but otherwise healthy adult than all the medicine and psychology in the world." I absolutely believe that! There are times when I simply cannot ride for a while. It definitely affects my mood in a bad way. Getting out for a ride cures that problem marvelously. PLEASE FRANK - GO FOR A RIDE! |
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On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 9:09:09 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:02:59 +0700, John B wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? He also said "A vigorous five-mile walk will do more good for an unhappy but otherwise healthy adult than all the medicine and psychology in the world." -- Cheers, As a licensed psychologist, I've been telling this to people for years. Get outside, get some fresh air and sunshine with some exercise and most people will feel better- some better than they will from talking to me. Even if the client has a bona fide depressive disorder (versus just being disgruntled or overly stressed, which are normal parts of the human experience) regular exercise will usually help at least some. Your overall health will improve, your sleep will improve, your waistline will improve, your bones wil improve, your muscles will improve. And a walk is inexpensive. Our grandmothers knew what they were about when they told us to get out of the house, go play outside and don't come back until lunch time. I find it strange that because exercise and fresh air make depressives feel better they avoid it. |
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On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 10:43:31 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 22:40:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/9/2017 10:02 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? He also said "A vigorous five-mile walk will do more good for an unhappy but otherwise healthy adult than all the medicine and psychology in the world." I absolutely believe that! There are times when I simply cannot ride for a while. It definitely affects my mood in a bad way. Getting out for a ride cures that problem marvelously. I believe that I had mentioned that I just had cataracts removed from both eyes and based on the recommendation of the "eye doctor" I had one done and then when healed - a month later - had the other one done. The doctor was really emphatic about no exercise, no jumping around, no lifting anything heavier then 5 kg., and as a result I simply sat for two months. It was noticeable that not only did I lose a lot of stamina but I also found myself being disgruntled enough they I had to make a very distinct effort not get upset with things, and people. :-) Since I'm "back on my feet", and exercising, I find myself much more calm about things. I think that you and I had exactly the same procedures and exactly the same orders and exactly the same results. But I'm now a little over 3,000 miles and feeling a lot better. I can even make fun of Frank without really meaning it. |
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On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 7:33:39 PM UTC+1, wrote:
Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? Nope. Dr White got the big gear right too. Mashers rule! Andre Jute What happened to the bottom seven gears on my Rohloff? |
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On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 7:33:39 PM UTC+1, wrote:
Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? I don't remember Dr White, but I remember Jim Fixx, the prophet of jogging. I went off him when I discovered that his idea of a gourmet meal was a hamburger. He died at 52 while out jogging. Not exactly a recommendation. Andre Jute Beware the fads: fashion can kill you |
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On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:02:59 +0700, John B wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? He also said "A vigorous five-mile walk will do more good for an unhappy but otherwise healthy adult than all the medicine and psychology in the world." -- Cheers, As a licensed psychologist, I've been telling this to people for years. Get outside, get some fresh air and sunshine with some exercise and most people will feel better- some better than they will from talking to me. Even if the client has a bona fide depressive disorder (versus just being disgruntled or overly stressed, which are normal parts of the human experience) regular exercise will usually help at least some. Your overall health will improve, your sleep will improve, your waistline will improve, your bones wil improve, your muscles will improve. Not sure about that waist line. Has never worked for me. All the rest, yes, sure. The old saying "walking off a tantrum" has its meaning. And a walk is inexpensive. Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two miles every day so that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road bike rear tire. Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever reason but can't be used much in winter. Our grandmothers knew what they were about when they told us to get out of the house, go play outside and don't come back until lunch time. Yup. My parents were of the same opinion. What I see nowadays concerns me. Often kids are flooded with so much homework that they barely get out. Some parents stuff them into pre-school and kindergarden (which I'd never do to a kid) where they can only play in a prescribed manner, not free. Then many older kids sit in front of a stupid video game or cell phone screen all day long. To the point where they aren't even interested in a driving license, let alone a hiking or cycling trip. I am eternally thankful that my parents let me ride, ride, ride. Tens of miles some days. "Where did you go today?" ... "All the way to the big river 15 miles away" ... "Oh, cool". Occasionally I took homework along and finished that way out there in some forest. I still do that when having to tackle a difficult engineering design. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 5:58:02 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
But there is that small subset of people that if you have rails to trails so that they feel relatively isolated from asshole drivers WILL take up cycling and gradually grow in confidence. Especially with the help of bike clubs. There are a lot of those people, it is not a small sub-set. I'd venture to say the majority of riders in our area. This is clearly evidenced by the number of riders who cart their bikes to the bike path, unload and then start their sports ride or mixed-mode commute. Thankfully I live in a city that has miles and miles of bike trails in town and out of town. Several hundred miles in total trails. It definitely helps get people on bicycles. There is a bar/town about 10 miles down one trail. In the summer there are several hundred people riding to the bar and back several evenings a week. I don't really care if the net benefit is a detriment to them or not. Or whether they are healthy or not. As long as they are riding a bike, its good. The trails see a lot of activity. I don't know if these people would bicycle without trails or not. Some would not. Some would. |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote: On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:02:59 +0700, John B wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:33:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Are you guys old enough to remember Paul Dudley White, M.D., the eminent cardiologist and father of preventive cardiology through exercise? Really cool guy who served as Eisenhower's and LBJ's cardiologist. He believed in cycling, but he thought pushing a big gear was a better than spinning. Oh well, every guy is entitled to one mistake, right? He also said "A vigorous five-mile walk will do more good for an unhappy but otherwise healthy adult than all the medicine and psychology in the world." -- Cheers, As a licensed psychologist, I've been telling this to people for years. Get outside, get some fresh air and sunshine with some exercise and most people will feel better- some better than they will from talking to me. Even if the client has a bona fide depressive disorder (versus just being disgruntled or overly stressed, which are normal parts of the human experience) regular exercise will usually help at least some. Your overall health will improve, your sleep will improve, your waistline will improve, your bones wil improve, your muscles will improve. Not sure about that waist line. Has never worked for me. All the rest, yes, sure. The old saying "walking off a tantrum" has its meaning. And a walk is inexpensive. Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two miles every day so that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road bike rear tire. Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever reason but can't be used much in winter. Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing and will grow to accommodate even black top pavement. I would add, before you start you say it is impossible, that Zola Budd set the world 5,000 metre record running barefoot. Her mile best of 4:17.57 in 1985, still stands as the British record. Barefooted. Our grandmothers knew what they were about when they told us to get out of the house, go play outside and don't come back until lunch time. Yup. My parents were of the same opinion. What I see nowadays concerns me. Often kids are flooded with so much homework that they barely get out. Some parents stuff them into pre-school and kindergarden (which I'd never do to a kid) where they can only play in a prescribed manner, not free. Then many older kids sit in front of a stupid video game or cell phone screen all day long. To the point where they aren't even interested in a driving license, let alone a hiking or cycling trip. I am eternally thankful that my parents let me ride, ride, ride. Tens of miles some days. "Where did you go today?" ... "All the way to the big river 15 miles away" ... "Oh, cool". Occasionally I took homework along and finished that way out there in some forest. I still do that when having to tackle a difficult engineering design. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 4:08:32 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Thankfully I live in a city that has miles and miles of bike trails in town and out of town. Several hundred miles in total trails. It definitely helps get people on bicycles. There is a bar/town about 10 miles down one trail. In the summer there are several hundred people riding to the bar and back several evenings a week. I don't really care if the net benefit is a detriment to them or not. Or whether they are healthy or not. As long as they are riding a bike, its good. The trails see a lot of activity. I don't know if these people would bicycle without trails or not. Some would not. Some would. I think there's no doubt that bike trails get more people on bikes... on the bike trails. They function as linear parks, and they're popular that way. As I've said, I enjoy well-designed bike trails, except when they're crowded. The random motions of pedestrians and novice cyclists can be scary. Well-designed, well maintained Bike trails generally a good thing, but there are a few detriments. One is that they are frequently promoted and funded as "transportation" facilities. They really should be paid for out of park funds, because in almost all cases, 99% of their use is recreation, not transportation. That would allow their rather high cost to be applied to real bike transportation problems. They're also promoted (e.g. by Joerg) as facilities that will cause great surges in bike mode share. But that almost never happens, mostly because most of them use abandoned rail line routes that don't connect enough traffic generators. So boosting mode share is a false sales pitch. Another problem is the idea that if bike trails exist, cyclists should not ride on roads. This idea is in the mind of some motorists, like those that have yelled "get on the bike trail" when I was on a quiet country road nowhere near a trail. But that mentality also exists among some cyclists. The major long-distance bike trail in our area has a gap of a few miles where the owners of the right-of-way don't want to sell. It's no problem, because it's parallel to a very quiet country road. But some riders complain that they can't ride beyond the gap because they'd have to ride on (gasp!) a road. In one online discussion where I pointed out how peaceful the road is, I was told "Some of us just don't want to ride on roads." So, while I'm OK with building bike trails, I'd like them to be promoted and financed more honestly. And I think we need to do plenty of education, plus enough legal work, to ensure that we aren't forced off the roads onto the trails. - Frank Krygowski |
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On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 7:16:37 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote: And a walk is inexpensive. Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two miles every day so that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road bike rear tire. Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever reason but can't be used much in winter. Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing and will grow to accommodate even black top pavement. Perhaps Joerg should buy a bucket of latex rubber, dip his feet in it and hold them over a fire to harden the rubber. If pre-Columbian Amazonian Indians could do it, he could do it. See https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ians-goodyear/ - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2017-10-16 04:16, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote: [...] And a walk is inexpensive. Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two miles every day so that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road bike rear tire. Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever reason but can't be used much in winter. Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing and will grow to accommodate even black top pavement. I would add, before you start you say it is impossible, that Zola Budd set the world 5,000 metre record running barefoot. Her mile best of 4:17.57 in 1985, still stands as the British record. Barefooted. Oh, I could, since I already walk and bicycle with sandals all summer long. Problem is, without any shoes one carries the dirt into the house because you can't switch feet at the entrance door, and that will make the missus grumpy (rightfully so). Especially when coming back from a dirt trail. As for blacktop that is risky because it can get so hot in summer that it even burns up the most impressive calluses. [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-10-16 01:08, wrote:
On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 5:58:02 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote: But there is that small subset of people that if you have rails to trails so that they feel relatively isolated from asshole drivers WILL take up cycling and gradually grow in confidence. Especially with the help of bike clubs. There are a lot of those people, it is not a small sub-set. I'd venture to say the majority of riders in our area. This is clearly evidenced by the number of riders who cart their bikes to the bike path, unload and then start their sports ride or mixed-mode commute. Thankfully I live in a city that has miles and miles of bike trails in town and out of town. Several hundred miles in total trails. It definitely helps get people on bicycles. There is a bar/town about 10 miles down one trail. In the summer there are several hundred people riding to the bar and back several evenings a week. I don't really care if the net benefit is a detriment to them or not. Or whether they are healthy or not. As long as they are riding a bike, its good. The trails see a lot of activity. I don't know if these people would bicycle without trails or not. Some would not. Some would. Provided that those paths are built correctly it does increase cycling, big time, no matter what the nay-sayers think or lament. We saw another prime example again yesterday. 15mi of bike path for a quick ride afte church. We trucked it there because a friend belongs to the majority of cyclists who will not ride on roads unless absolutely necessary. On the road, no cyclists. On the bike path, dozens. It's no problem to use some quiet roads or even a busy main street where there is a low speed limit but not major arteries because most cyclists I know won't ride those. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Per Joerg:
They say "at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity such as cycling or brisk walking every week" or "75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity, such as running or a game of singles tennis every week" plus strength exercises. Following links from that page tells you that flat riding is "moderate," fast or hilly riding is "vigorous." I see the same sort of pronouncements from supposedly-knowledgeable people in other fields. Heaven forbid they should express activity in concrete terms like "heart rate at 85-95 percent of (220 - The Person's Age). But nobody seems to, so I am taking "Vigorous" to me 85-90 percent of (220 - my age) until somebody in the know corrects me. But my cardiologist looks at me funny when I start talking like that.... so go figure. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Per John B.:
The feet are self healing and will grow to accommodate even black top pavement. But will my living room carpet grow to accommodate those feet? -- Pete Cresswell |
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On 2017-10-16 14:10, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Joerg: They say "at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity such as cycling or brisk walking every week" or "75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity, such as running or a game of singles tennis every week" plus strength exercises. Following links from that page tells you that flat riding is "moderate," fast or hilly riding is "vigorous." I see the same sort of pronouncements from supposedly-knowledgeable people in other fields. Heaven forbid they should express activity in concrete terms like "heart rate at 85-95 percent of (220 - The Person's Age). But nobody seems to, so I am taking "Vigorous" to me 85-90 percent of (220 - my age) until somebody in the know corrects me. But my cardiologist looks at me funny when I start talking like that.... so go figure. There are metrics to that. https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity.../heartrate.htm https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity...ical-activity/ Jogging isn't my thing but cycling above 15mph is. I think most people on this NG do that as well. There are the occasional riders like a neighbor of mine who'd almost fall asleep at 20mph but that is rare. What also helps is hilly terrain. When I get back from the valley I have to climb around 1200ft net and be there by dinner time, including lots of ups and downs. I don't like climbs but it's certainly vigorous exercise if you go up there without a bail-out sprocket and granny ring (my road bike doesn't have either). When the breathing becomes intense and the sweat band needs to be swapped every 5-10mi that is quite vigorous. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-10-16 14:11, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per John B.: The feet are self healing and will grow to accommodate even black top pavement. But will my living room carpet grow to accommodate those feet? Or your wife when she sees the results on the carpet. Old Southern saying "If momma ain't gonna be happy, ain't nobody gonna be happy". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:37:59 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 4:08:32 AM UTC-4, wrote: Thankfully I live in a city that has miles and miles of bike trails in town and out of town. Several hundred miles in total trails. It definitely helps get people on bicycles. There is a bar/town about 10 miles down one trail. In the summer there are several hundred people riding to the bar and back several evenings a week. I don't really care if the net benefit is a detriment to them or not. Or whether they are healthy or not. As long as they are riding a bike, its good. The trails see a lot of activity. I don't know if these people would bicycle without trails or not. Some would not. Some would. I think there's no doubt that bike trails get more people on bikes... on the bike trails. They function as linear parks, and they're popular that way. As I've said, I enjoy well-designed bike trails, except when they're crowded. The random motions of pedestrians and novice cyclists can be scary. Well-designed, well maintained Bike trails generally a good thing, but there are a few detriments. One is that they are frequently promoted and funded as "transportation" facilities. They really should be paid for out of park funds, because in almost all cases, 99% of their use is recreation, not transportation. That would allow their rather high cost to be applied to real bike transportation problems. They're also promoted (e.g. by Joerg) as facilities that will cause great surges in bike mode share. But that almost never happens, mostly because most of them use abandoned rail line routes that don't connect enough traffic generators. So boosting mode share is a false sales pitch. Another problem is the idea that if bike trails exist, cyclists should not ride on roads. This idea is in the mind of some motorists, like those that have yelled "get on the bike trail" when I was on a quiet country road nowhere near a trail. But that mentality also exists among some cyclists. The major long-distance bike trail in our area has a gap of a few miles where the owners of the right-of-way don't want to sell. It's no problem, because it's parallel to a very quiet country road. But some riders complain that they can't ride beyond the gap because they'd have to ride on (gasp!) a road. In one online discussion where I pointed out how peaceful the road is, I was told "Some of us just don't want to ride on roads." So, while I'm OK with building bike trails, I'd like them to be promoted and financed more honestly. And I think we need to do plenty of education, plus enough legal work, to ensure that we aren't forced off the roads onto the trails. - Frank Krygowski One thing that I've always wondered about in the "bike paths" discussion is does the presence or absence of bike paths (by whatever name) actually contribute to the long term use of bicycles by the general public? For example there were 20.9 million bicycles sold in 2000 and 14.9 million sold in 2009. Another thing, it seems to me that number of "cyclists" are sometimes based on some pretty loose values. One report I read counted cyclists as "has ridden a bicycle at least once in the last year". Another, "THE U.S. BICYCLE MARKET, A Trend Overview, Author: Brad Edmondson" (study period 2000 - 2010) counted anyone that has ridden 6 times in the last year, in one portion of the report and as anyone that has ridden 110 days in the past 12 months in another. Comparing the two statistics it appears that the 6 times a year numbers decreased over the study period from ~15% of the population to ~13% of the population. The 110 day riders remained basically flat from 8.7% of the population in 2000 to 8.1% in 2010. Based on those numbers it appears that among the (can we say dedicated) cyclists that bike paths may not be a major factor. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:52:51 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2017-10-16 04:16, John B. wrote: On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote: [...] And a walk is inexpensive. Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two miles every day so that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road bike rear tire. Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever reason but can't be used much in winter. Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing and will grow to accommodate even black top pavement. I would add, before you start you say it is impossible, that Zola Budd set the world 5,000 metre record running barefoot. Her mile best of 4:17.57 in 1985, still stands as the British record. Barefooted. Oh, I could, since I already walk and bicycle with sandals all summer long. Problem is, without any shoes one carries the dirt into the house because you can't switch feet at the entrance door, and that will make the missus grumpy (rightfully so). Especially when coming back from a dirt trail. How primitive. The Thais, who were essentially shoeless in years gone by solved the problem by placed a tub of water outside the door and washed their feet before going in the house. P.S. We did the same thing working in the Jungle where one's boots tended to be covered with mud. As for blacktop that is risky because it can get so hot in summer that it even burns up the most impressive calluses. [...] -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:11:53 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote: Per John B.: The feet are self healing and will grow to accommodate even black top pavement. But will my living room carpet grow to accommodate those feet? As I told Joerg, just wash your feet :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 8:45:13 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:37:59 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 4:08:32 AM UTC-4, wrote: Thankfully I live in a city that has miles and miles of bike trails in town and out of town. Several hundred miles in total trails. It definitely helps get people on bicycles. There is a bar/town about 10 miles down one trail. In the summer there are several hundred people riding to the bar and back several evenings a week. I don't really care if the net benefit is a detriment to them or not. Or whether they are healthy or not. As long as they are riding a bike, its good. The trails see a lot of activity. I don't know if these people would bicycle without trails or not. Some would not. Some would. I think there's no doubt that bike trails get more people on bikes... on the bike trails. They function as linear parks, and they're popular that way.. As I've said, I enjoy well-designed bike trails, except when they're crowded. The random motions of pedestrians and novice cyclists can be scary. Well-designed, well maintained Bike trails generally a good thing, but there are a few detriments. One is that they are frequently promoted and funded as "transportation" facilities. They really should be paid for out of park funds, because in almost all cases, 99% of their use is recreation, not transportation. That would allow their rather high cost to be applied to real bike transportation problems. They're also promoted (e.g. by Joerg) as facilities that will cause great surges in bike mode share. But that almost never happens, mostly because most of them use abandoned rail line routes that don't connect enough traffic generators. So boosting mode share is a false sales pitch. Another problem is the idea that if bike trails exist, cyclists should not ride on roads. This idea is in the mind of some motorists, like those that have yelled "get on the bike trail" when I was on a quiet country road nowhere near a trail. But that mentality also exists among some cyclists. The major long-distance bike trail in our area has a gap of a few miles where the owners of the right-of-way don't want to sell. It's no problem, because it's parallel to a very quiet country road. But some riders complain that they can't ride beyond the gap because they'd have to ride on (gasp!) a road. In one online discussion where I pointed out how peaceful the road is, I was told "Some of us just don't want to ride on roads." So, while I'm OK with building bike trails, I'd like them to be promoted and financed more honestly. And I think we need to do plenty of education, plus enough legal work, to ensure that we aren't forced off the roads onto the trails. - Frank Krygowski One thing that I've always wondered about in the "bike paths" discussion is does the presence or absence of bike paths (by whatever name) actually contribute to the long term use of bicycles by the general public? For example there were 20.9 million bicycles sold in 2000 and 14.9 million sold in 2009. 2009? Comparing year 2000 to year 2009 is very dubious. 2009 was in the middle of the recent financial crisis. So your numbers are foolish. Even if they are true. I would guess that the number of cars sold in 2000 was also higher than the number of cars sold in 2009. Another thing, it seems to me that number of "cyclists" are sometimes based on some pretty loose values. One report I read counted cyclists as "has ridden a bicycle at least once in the last year". Another, "THE U.S. BICYCLE MARKET, A Trend Overview, Author: Brad Edmondson" (study period 2000 - 2010) counted anyone that has ridden 6 times in the last year, in one portion of the report and as anyone that has ridden 110 days in the past 12 months in another. Comparing the two statistics it appears that the 6 times a year numbers decreased over the study period from ~15% of the population to ~13% of the population. The 110 day riders remained basically flat from 8.7% of the population in 2000 to 8.1% in 2010. I am pretty sure I qualify as a serious, dedicated cyclist. But I don't know if I cycle 110 days per year. That is pretty much every three days. Little bit more than twice per week. Where I live I cycle 2 times in Dec-Jan-Feb months. And other weeks where I am lucky to cycle once per week. Based on those numbers it appears that among the (can we say dedicated) cyclists that bike paths may not be a major factor. True. I started cycling fairly seriously before bike trails were even invented. Bike trails, bike lanes, bike rental sharing, other bike infrastructure did not exist when I started cycling. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 12:30:27 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 8:45:13 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote: Another thing, it seems to me that number of "cyclists" are sometimes based on some pretty loose values. One report I read counted cyclists as "has ridden a bicycle at least once in the last year". Another, "THE U.S. BICYCLE MARKET, A Trend Overview, Author: Brad Edmondson" (study period 2000 - 2010) counted anyone that has ridden 6 times in the last year, in one portion of the report and as anyone that has ridden 110 days in the past 12 months in another. Comparing the two statistics it appears that the 6 times a year numbers decreased over the study period from ~15% of the population to ~13% of the population. The 110 day riders remained basically flat from 8.7% of the population in 2000 to 8.1% in 2010. I am pretty sure I qualify as a serious, dedicated cyclist. But I don't know if I cycle 110 days per year. That is pretty much every three days. Little bit more than twice per week. Where I live I cycle 2 times in Dec-Jan-Feb months. And other weeks where I am lucky to cycle once per week. I should say I definitely cycled more than 110 days a year when I commuted to work. I cycled 250 days a year when I commuted to work. Less cycling days now that I don't commute or work. |
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On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 10:10:38 PM UTC+1, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Joerg: They say "at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity such as cycling or brisk walking every week" or "75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity, such as running or a game of singles tennis every week" plus strength exercises. Following links from that page tells you that flat riding is "moderate," fast or hilly riding is "vigorous." I see the same sort of pronouncements from supposedly-knowledgeable people in other fields. Loose talk from Joerg, loose talk from them. 75 minutes of tennis would kill me but, presumably, not Joerg. Certainly those who are old or already have cardiac condition would, if permitted at all, be allowed such strenuous exercise only under supervision. Heaven forbid they should express activity in concrete terms like "heart rate at 85-95 percent of (220 - The Person's Age). This is more precise but see what I say below about choosing a place (percentage) on the scale. But nobody seems to, so I am taking "Vigorous" to me 85-90 percent of (220 - my age) until somebody in the know corrects me. Maybe for you. My cardiologist is a cyclist, and my pedalpal is my general physician. My other main pedalpal is a nurse. After heart surgery I was shortly permitted cycle, if I took it easy, warmed up beforehand, and "warmed-down" afterwards. I looked at the man strangely: he was assuming that I was a roadracer. The physiotherapists in the cardiac rehab unit, where you need a certificate from your cardiologist to be admitted, set a figure that worked out at 70 percent of my theoretical max heart rate and stuck there -- and I'm a very persuasive person. That's just too low even for a casual cyclist like me, especially if one lives among hills. Finally I got my cardiologist's registrar to agree, after consulting the great man, that I could go up to 75 percent as a routine thing. I have a very simple bike computer because I find it more trustworthy than the more complicated models and my requirements are few. But I carry my iPhone on the handlebars to report my heart rate from an Polar H7 belt via Bluetooth. I regulate the electric motor's input by my heart rate. But just before a stop, I run my heart rate up to 80 per cent so I can check how soon it recovers. It seems to me, after reading widely on the subject and talking to people at sports medicine departments at various universities, that the best test is not how high you can run you respiration rate, but how soon your heart rate recovers from your chosen peak exertion. But my cardiologist looks at me funny when I start talking like that.... so go figure. I'm not surprised. I'm amazed that he hasn't struck you off his patient list for fear of being held responsible when you kill yourself with a rate of exercise intended to turn a young man into a sprinter. This is worth special attention: I am taking "Vigorous" to me 85-90 percent of (220 - my age) until somebody in the know corrects me. There's a narrow band somewhere between 80-90 of max heart rate exertion that is not beneficial at all, and in fact harmful because there acids are released into the system. I'm in a hurry so I don't have a link, but for most people it is somewhere about 83-87 percent, if I remember correctly. The upshot is that it is better to exercise at 80 or 90 percent than anywhere in between. Above that barrier you build capability for sprinting, below it you build big lungs for endurance. I imagine your cardiologist wants you to build endurance rather than sprint capability. A good test is whether everyone in the party can pedal and talk at the same time. If someone can't talk, everyone should slow down. Andre Jute It comes to all of us |
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On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 2:10:38 PM UTC-7, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Joerg: They say "at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity such as cycling or brisk walking every week" or "75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity, such as running or a game of singles tennis every week" plus strength exercises. Following links from that page tells you that flat riding is "moderate," fast or hilly riding is "vigorous." I see the same sort of pronouncements from supposedly-knowledgeable people in other fields. Heaven forbid they should express activity in concrete terms like "heart rate at 85-95 percent of (220 - The Person's Age). But nobody seems to, so I am taking "Vigorous" to me 85-90 percent of (220 - my age) until somebody in the know corrects me. But my cardiologist looks at me funny when I start talking like that.... so go figure. You ought to see the looks on doctors' faces when I come stumbling in because of the effects of the drugs and they take my blood pressure and it's 120 over 80. |
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On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 6:45:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:37:59 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 4:08:32 AM UTC-4, wrote: Thankfully I live in a city that has miles and miles of bike trails in town and out of town. Several hundred miles in total trails. It definitely helps get people on bicycles. There is a bar/town about 10 miles down one trail. In the summer there are several hundred people riding to the bar and back several evenings a week. I don't really care if the net benefit is a detriment to them or not. Or whether they are healthy or not. As long as they are riding a bike, its good. The trails see a lot of activity. I don't know if these people would bicycle without trails or not. Some would not. Some would. I think there's no doubt that bike trails get more people on bikes... on the bike trails. They function as linear parks, and they're popular that way.. As I've said, I enjoy well-designed bike trails, except when they're crowded. The random motions of pedestrians and novice cyclists can be scary. Well-designed, well maintained Bike trails generally a good thing, but there are a few detriments. One is that they are frequently promoted and funded as "transportation" facilities. They really should be paid for out of park funds, because in almost all cases, 99% of their use is recreation, not transportation. That would allow their rather high cost to be applied to real bike transportation problems. They're also promoted (e.g. by Joerg) as facilities that will cause great surges in bike mode share. But that almost never happens, mostly because most of them use abandoned rail line routes that don't connect enough traffic generators. So boosting mode share is a false sales pitch. Another problem is the idea that if bike trails exist, cyclists should not ride on roads. This idea is in the mind of some motorists, like those that have yelled "get on the bike trail" when I was on a quiet country road nowhere near a trail. But that mentality also exists among some cyclists. The major long-distance bike trail in our area has a gap of a few miles where the owners of the right-of-way don't want to sell. It's no problem, because it's parallel to a very quiet country road. But some riders complain that they can't ride beyond the gap because they'd have to ride on (gasp!) a road. In one online discussion where I pointed out how peaceful the road is, I was told "Some of us just don't want to ride on roads." So, while I'm OK with building bike trails, I'd like them to be promoted and financed more honestly. And I think we need to do plenty of education, plus enough legal work, to ensure that we aren't forced off the roads onto the trails. - Frank Krygowski One thing that I've always wondered about in the "bike paths" discussion is does the presence or absence of bike paths (by whatever name) actually contribute to the long term use of bicycles by the general public? For example there were 20.9 million bicycles sold in 2000 and 14.9 million sold in 2009. Another thing, it seems to me that number of "cyclists" are sometimes based on some pretty loose values. One report I read counted cyclists as "has ridden a bicycle at least once in the last year". Another, "THE U.S. BICYCLE MARKET, A Trend Overview, Author: Brad Edmondson" (study period 2000 - 2010) counted anyone that has ridden 6 times in the last year, in one portion of the report and as anyone that has ridden 110 days in the past 12 months in another. Comparing the two statistics it appears that the 6 times a year numbers decreased over the study period from ~15% of the population to ~13% of the population. The 110 day riders remained basically flat from 8.7% of the population in 2000 to 8.1% in 2010. Based on those numbers it appears that among the (can we say dedicated) cyclists that bike paths may not be a major factor. Statistics on bike sales are extremely misleading. This is because there aren't an equal number of "age X" people coming into the marketplace. The human race is built around generations so as each generation matures the expensive sport bike market will burgeon. And between it is fed only by people buying replacements or buying up. The millennials are presently just over the buying hump. |
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On 2017-10-16 22:38, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 12:30:27 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 8:45:13 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote: Another thing, it seems to me that number of "cyclists" are sometimes based on some pretty loose values. One report I read counted cyclists as "has ridden a bicycle at least once in the last year". As for the usefulness of cycling infrastructure only the other regular riders can say. The main reason being that there rarely is sufficient funding for any serious traffic counting when it comes to cyclists. I have seen it time and again. Long road with fast traffic, hardly any cyclists. Then they build a bike lane or bike path and the number increases substantially. Unfortunately also including folks like the dude yesterday who was traveling in the bike lane on a 50mph road in total darkness without any lights, and in dark clothing. Another, "THE U.S. BICYCLE MARKET, A Trend Overview, Author: Brad Edmondson" (study period 2000 - 2010) counted anyone that has ridden 6 times in the last year, in one portion of the report and as anyone that has ridden 110 days in the past 12 months in another. Comparing the two statistics it appears that the 6 times a year numbers decreased over the study period from ~15% of the population to ~13% of the population. The 110 day riders remained basically flat from 8.7% of the population in 2000 to 8.1% in 2010. I am pretty sure I qualify as a serious, dedicated cyclist. But I don't know if I cycle 110 days per year. That is pretty much every three days. Little bit more than twice per week. Where I live I cycle 2 times in Dec-Jan-Feb months. And other weeks where I am lucky to cycle once per week. I should say I definitely cycled more than 110 days a year when I commuted to work. I cycled 250 days a year when I commuted to work. Less cycling days now that I don't commute or work. That is a serious bicycle user's profile. Same here and due to self-employment I also do not commute. Bicycle use is 4000mi/year, car use for tax year 2016 was a whopping 757 miles. One has to be willing to cycle 40 miles if that's required to get that spare part for a broken plumbing assembly. Where the usual temptation is to hop into the car. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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