Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Mike wrote:

Ken (NY)
Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

PArticularly if by "bin Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family
who are such good and loyal friends of Dubya that they were allowed
to flee the country after 9/11 while just about everything else was
grounded...

Apparently the CIA were none too happy that they were not allowed to
interview these folks. But hey, they couldn't possibly have been bad
guys - they were Republican donors!

This was one of the first and easiest of MM's lies to expose. From /59
Deceits/ by Dave Kopel
(http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm):

"No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted to fly
into, out of, or within the United States until September 13, 2001. After
the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people, mostly Saudi
Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and
24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States
on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin
Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered flights of
Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of
national airspace.
The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials, primarily
the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a threat to
national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to the
9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the 26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated
that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about
terrorist activity.

The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin Ladin
flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether the
TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the Terrorist
Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on the flight
manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current TIPOFF watchlist.
There are no matches.

The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these six
flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the 9/11 attacks,
or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks. To
date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this conclusion."



But again, why let the truth intrude on your outrage?



Bill "read the rest of it while you're at it" S.

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:35:58 GMT, "NYRides"
wrote:

It seems that most urban riders are much more aware of safe and legal riding
techniques, but I've certainly seen a lot of oblivious peddlers in New York
City. This ****es ME off -- and I'm a cyclist. I can't imagine how it irks
a driver who only wishes he/she had a bicycle!

I slightly disagree. In my experience, most drivers have very few
encounters with bikers. I've been driving for 35 years and have rarely
encountered a biker on the road, and never encountered one that irritated
me for any reason; much the same way we hardly ever see an accident
actually happen when driving, yet they're extremely common.

However I get your point and don't have an argument with that.

-B

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:35:58 GMT, "NYRides"
wrote:

It seems that most urban riders are much more aware of safe and legal riding
techniques, but I've certainly seen a lot of oblivious peddlers in New York
City. This ****es ME off -- and I'm a cyclist. I can't imagine how it irks
a driver who only wishes he/she had a bicycle!

I slightly disagree. In my experience, most drivers have very few
encounters with bikers. I've been driving for 35 years and have rarely
encountered a biker on the road, and never encountered one that irritated
me for any reason; much the same way we hardly ever see an accident
actually happen when driving, yet they're extremely common.

However I get your point and don't have an argument with that.

-B

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, S o r n i
wrote:

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Mike wrote:

Ken (NY)
Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

PArticularly if by "bin Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family
who are such good and loyal friends of Dubya that they were allowed
to flee the country after 9/11 while just about everything else was
grounded...

Apparently the CIA were none too happy that they were not allowed to
interview these folks. But hey, they couldn't possibly have been bad
guys - they were Republican donors!

This was one of the first and easiest of MM's lies to expose. From /59
Deceits/ by Dave Kopel
(http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm):

"No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted to fly
into, out of, or within the United States until September 13, 2001. After
the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people, mostly
Saudi
Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14
and
24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United
States
on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin
Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered flights of
Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening
of
national airspace.
The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials,
primarily
the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a threat to
national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to
the
9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the
26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated
that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything
about
terrorist activity.

The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin
Ladin
flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether the
TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the Terrorist
Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on the flight
manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current TIPOFF
watchlist.
There are no matches.

The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these six
flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the 9/11
attacks,
or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks. To
date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this conclusion."



But again, why let the truth intrude on your outrage?



Bill "read the rest of it while you're at it" S.



While you may be right, anything that comes from the FBI has to be taken
with a grain of salt.

--
Bob in CT
Remove ".x" to reply

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, S o r n i
wrote:

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Mike wrote:

Ken (NY)
Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

PArticularly if by "bin Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family
who are such good and loyal friends of Dubya that they were allowed
to flee the country after 9/11 while just about everything else was
grounded...

Apparently the CIA were none too happy that they were not allowed to
interview these folks. But hey, they couldn't possibly have been bad
guys - they were Republican donors!

This was one of the first and easiest of MM's lies to expose. From /59
Deceits/ by Dave Kopel
(http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm):

"No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted to fly
into, out of, or within the United States until September 13, 2001. After
the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people, mostly
Saudi
Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14
and
24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United
States
on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin
Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered flights of
Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening
of
national airspace.
The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials,
primarily
the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a threat to
national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to
the
9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the
26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated
that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything
about
terrorist activity.

The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin
Ladin
flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether the
TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the Terrorist
Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on the flight
manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current TIPOFF
watchlist.
There are no matches.

The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these six
flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the 9/11
attacks,
or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks. To
date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this conclusion."



But again, why let the truth intrude on your outrage?



Bill "read the rest of it while you're at it" S.



While you may be right, anything that comes from the FBI has to be taken
with a grain of salt.

--
Bob in CT
Remove ".x" to reply

Bob in CT wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, S o r n i
wrote:

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Mike wrote:

Ken (NY)
Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

PArticularly if by "bin Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family
who are such good and loyal friends of Dubya that they were allowed
to flee the country after 9/11 while just about everything else was
grounded...

Apparently the CIA were none too happy that they were not allowed to
interview these folks. But hey, they couldn't possibly have been
bad guys - they were Republican donors!

This was one of the first and easiest of MM's lies to expose. From
/59 Deceits/ by Dave Kopel
(http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm):

"No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted
to fly into, out of, or within the United States until September 13,
2001. After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142
people, mostly Saudi
Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September
14 and
24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United
States
on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama
Bin Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered
flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before
the reopening of
national airspace.
The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials,
primarily
the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a
threat to national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI
with regard to the
9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the
142 people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including
22 of the 26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers
stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew
anything about
terrorist activity.

The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin
Ladin
flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether
the TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the
Terrorist Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on
the flight manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current
TIPOFF watchlist.
There are no matches.

The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these
six flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the
9/11 attacks,
or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks.
To date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this
conclusion."



But again, why let the truth intrude on your outrage?



Bill "read the rest of it while you're at it" S.



While you may be right, anything that comes from the FBI has to be
taken with a grain of salt.

It comes from Dave Kopel, who hardly just accepts spoon-fed information, but
rather appears to really investigate hard facts from many sources.

Bill "anything that comes from MM has to be taken with a /pallet/ of salt"
S.

Bob in CT wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, S o r n i
wrote:

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Mike wrote:

Ken (NY)
Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

PArticularly if by "bin Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family
who are such good and loyal friends of Dubya that they were allowed
to flee the country after 9/11 while just about everything else was
grounded...

Apparently the CIA were none too happy that they were not allowed to
interview these folks. But hey, they couldn't possibly have been
bad guys - they were Republican donors!

This was one of the first and easiest of MM's lies to expose. From
/59 Deceits/ by Dave Kopel
(http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm):

"No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted
to fly into, out of, or within the United States until September 13,
2001. After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142
people, mostly Saudi
Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September
14 and
24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United
States
on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama
Bin Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered
flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before
the reopening of
national airspace.
The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials,
primarily
the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a
threat to national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI
with regard to the
9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the
142 people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including
22 of the 26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers
stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew
anything about
terrorist activity.

The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin
Ladin
flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether
the TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the
Terrorist Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on
the flight manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current
TIPOFF watchlist.
There are no matches.

The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these
six flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the
9/11 attacks,
or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks.
To date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this
conclusion."



But again, why let the truth intrude on your outrage?



Bill "read the rest of it while you're at it" S.



While you may be right, anything that comes from the FBI has to be
taken with a grain of salt.

It comes from Dave Kopel, who hardly just accepts spoon-fed information, but
rather appears to really investigate hard facts from many sources.

Bill "anything that comes from MM has to be taken with a /pallet/ of salt"
S.

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, "S o r n i" wrote:

Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the 26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated
that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about
terrorist activity.

ROTFLMAO

Oh, so that's all right then.

It doesn't even say they stated that they *hadn't* had contact with Bin Laden,
or *didn't* know anything about terrorist activities.

Just that the didn't say they *had* (I wonder if they were actually asked).

ROTFLMAO some more.

I can just picture the scene:

Bush (to head of FBI) Just go and ask those Saudi folk about what they had for
breakfast (in detail), and if they don't actually admit to chatting to Osama in
the last few days, or engaging in terrorist activity, you can let them go.

Bugs Bunny said it best: "What a maroon".

--
Dave

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, "S o r n i" wrote:

Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the 26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated
that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about
terrorist activity.

ROTFLMAO

Oh, so that's all right then.

It doesn't even say they stated that they *hadn't* had contact with Bin Laden,
or *didn't* know anything about terrorist activities.

Just that the didn't say they *had* (I wonder if they were actually asked).

ROTFLMAO some more.

I can just picture the scene:

Bush (to head of FBI) Just go and ask those Saudi folk about what they had for
breakfast (in detail), and if they don't actually admit to chatting to Osama in
the last few days, or engaging in terrorist activity, you can let them go.

Bugs Bunny said it best: "What a maroon".

--
Dave

Dave Mount wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, "S o r n i"
wrote:

Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of
the 26 people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the
Bin Ladin flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the
passengers stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin
Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity.

ROTFLMAO

Oh, so that's all right then.

You snipped the claim that this was refuting. ("PArticularly if by "bin
Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family who are such good and loyal
friends of Dubya that they were allowed to flee the country after 9/11 while
just about everything else was grounded...")

It isn't true.

Bill "I know it doesn't please you to read facts" S.