Cyclists never stop at red lights
 

I guess Mikey must have hired a couple of hundred cyclists to stage this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTvjUr0giE

Cyclists never stop at red lights
 

On 28/05/2019 16:08, Simon Jester wrote:

I guess Mikey must have hired a couple of hundred cyclists to stage this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTvjUr0giE

No doubt without recorded evidence, some people would still believe that
they saw some of them going past red lights.

It is interesting to find out what other people see of events. I now
have a dashcam. My wife has accused me of doing things I would not do.
There was an occasion where she claimed that I overtook another vehicle
round the outside of a roundabout. I could show her later that the rear
of the other vehicle was on camera the whole way round and I was simply
matching its angular velocity.

Cyclists never stop at red lights
 

On 29/05/2019 01:13, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/05/2019 16:08, Simon Jester wrote:

I guess Mikey must have hired a couple of hundred cyclists to stage this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTvjUr0giE

No doubt without recorded evidence, some people would still believe that
they saw some of them going past red lights.

It is interesting to find out what other people see of events. I now
have a dashcam. My wife has accused me of doing things I would not do.
There was an occasion where she claimed that I overtook another vehicle
round the outside of a roundabout. I could show her later that the rear
of the other vehicle was on camera the whole way round and I was simply
matching its angular velocity.

What's wrong with overtaking on a roundabout?

Unless there is only room for one lane, I mean.

A roundabout is simply a specialised one-way single carriageway which
has no junctions on the offside. Even if and when there was a specific
law against overtaking on the nearside, it did not apply on a one-way
street.

Cyclists never stop at red lights
 

On 29/05/2019 02:21, JNugent wrote:
On 29/05/2019 01:13, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/05/2019 16:08, Simon Jester wrote:

I guess Mikey must have hired a couple of hundred cyclists to stage
this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTvjUr0giE

No doubt without recorded evidence, some people would still believe
that they saw some of them going past red lights.

It is interesting to find out what other people see of events. I now
have a dashcam. My wife has accused me of doing things I would not do.
There was an occasion where she claimed that I overtook another
vehicle round the outside of a roundabout. I could show her later that
the rear of the other vehicle was on camera the whole way round and I
was simply matching its angular velocity.

What's wrong with overtaking on a roundabout?

Lots.

Unless there is only room for one lane, I mean.

....unless it is possible to be certain that the other driver will not
move left at an inconvenient moment.

It is not impossible though. Back in the days I had an Alfasud, there
was less traffic, other cars were slower (with more "body language") and
lane discipline was appalling (oh yes). I just applied the negative of
their lane discipline. Great fun.

A roundabout is simply a specialised one-way single carriageway which
has no junctions on the offside.

Even if and when there was a specific
law against overtaking on the nearside, it did not apply on a one-way
street.

Your problem is that your automatic reaction to everything is "what does
the law say?".

Cyclists never stop at red lights
 

On 29/05/2019 09:24, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/05/2019 02:21, JNugent wrote:
On 29/05/2019 01:13, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/05/2019 16:08, Simon Jester wrote:

I guess Mikey must have hired a couple of hundred cyclists to stage
this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTvjUr0giE

No doubt without recorded evidence, some people would still believe
that they saw some of them going past red lights.

It is interesting to find out what other people see of events. I now
have a dashcam. My wife has accused me of doing things I would not
do. There was an occasion where she claimed that I overtook another
vehicle round the outside of a roundabout. I could show her later
that the rear of the other vehicle was on camera the whole way round
and I was simply matching its angular velocity.

What's wrong with overtaking on a roundabout?

Lots.

Such as?

Unless there is only room for one lane, I mean.

...unless it is possible to be certain that the other driver will not
move left at an inconvenient moment.

That applies in any one-way street. It also applies in spadefuls on any
street where certain sorts of traffic are more than usually liable to
overtake on the nearside. But you can never be 100% certain of other
peoples' future actions. That is the human condition (or part of it).

It is not impossible though. Back in the days I had an Alfasud, there
was less traffic, other cars were slower (with more "body language") and
lane discipline was appalling (oh yes). I just applied the negative of
their lane discipline. Great fun.

A roundabout is simply a specialised one-way single carriageway which
has no junctions on the offside.
Even if and when there was a specific law against overtaking on the
nearside, it did not apply on a one-way street.

Your problem is that your automatic reaction to everything is "what does
the law say?".

It's an important consideration. If more people obeyed traffic law,
there would be fewer problems on the highway.

Cyclists never stop at red lights
 

On 29/05/2019 12:55, JNugent wrote:
On 29/05/2019 09:24, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/05/2019 02:21, JNugent wrote:
On 29/05/2019 01:13, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/05/2019 16:08, Simon Jester wrote:

I guess Mikey must have hired a couple of hundred cyclists to stage
this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTvjUr0giE

No doubt without recorded evidence, some people would still believe
that they saw some of them going past red lights.

It is interesting to find out what other people see of events. I now
have a dashcam. My wife has accused me of doing things I would not
do. There was an occasion where she claimed that I overtook another
vehicle round the outside of a roundabout. I could show her later
that the rear of the other vehicle was on camera the whole way round
and I was simply matching its angular velocity.

What's wrong with overtaking on a roundabout?

Lots.

Such as?

Unless there is only room for one lane, I mean.

...unless it is possible to be certain that the other driver will not
move left at an inconvenient moment.

That applies in any one-way street. It also applies in spadefuls on any
street where certain sorts of traffic are more than usually liable to
overtake on the nearside. But you can never be 100% certain of other
peoples' future actions. That is the human condition (or part of it).

You answered your own question.

It is not impossible though. Back in the days I had an Alfasud, there
was less traffic, other cars were slower (with more "body language")
and lane discipline was appalling (oh yes). I just applied the
negative of their lane discipline. Great fun.

A roundabout is simply a specialised one-way single carriageway which
has no junctions on the offside.
Even if and when there was a specific law against overtaking on the
nearside, it did not apply on a one-way street.

Your problem is that your automatic reaction to everything is "what
does the law say?".

It's an important consideration. If more people obeyed traffic law,
there would be fewer problems on the highway.

The law only provides a framework. If more people were better at spatial
awareness, planning ahead and concentrating on the job in hand there
would be many fewer problems than could ever be achieved by swallowing a
rule book.

Cyclists never stop at red lights
 

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 1:13:40 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/05/2019 16:08, Simon Jester wrote:

I guess Mikey must have hired a couple of hundred cyclists to stage this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTvjUr0giE

No doubt without recorded evidence, some people would still believe that
they saw some of them going past red lights.


It's also interesting to note how many more bicycles there are than cars even though we are told cyclists are just a tiny minority of road users. Also, so we are told, cyclists are the main cause of traffic jams yet the cycle traffic flows freely.

Cyclists never stop at red lights
 

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 4:08:37 PM UTC+1, Simon Jester wrote:
I guess Mikey must have hired a couple of hundred cyclists to stage this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTvjUr0giE

Here is a bus passing through a red light.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...ps-red-2934716

Cyclists never stop at red lights
 

On 04/06/2019 09:49, Simon Mason wrote:
On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 4:08:37 PM UTC+1, Simon Jester wrote:
I guess Mikey must have hired a couple of hundred cyclists to stage this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTvjUr0giE

Here is a bus passing through a red light.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...ps-red-2934716

Pity I didn't have a camera handy the other day when I was waiting at a
crossing and the little cycle symbol went green.