another case of clinical "asthma"
 

http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended


Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue
of Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he
had never heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However
he later recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a
puffer, and had told a doping-control officer about it, but
that he did not know the name of the product.

Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande
holding EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note
that read: ìJoe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I
owed you! Thanks, Kayle.î

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Thanks,

Magilla

another case of clinical "asthma"
 

MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended


*Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
name of the product.***

*Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
“Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
Thanks, Kayle.”*


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Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

another case of clinical "asthma"
 

On Dec 2, 7:18*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

* * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande
* * *holding EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note
* * *that read: ìJoe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I
* * *owed you! Thanks, Kayle.î

I was about to say 'bravo' for the humor. But then I saw that is
actually in the article.

It's still funny though. (I wonder, did Papp provide the pic and the
note?)

another case of clinical "asthma"
 

Carl Sundquist wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended


*Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
name of the product.***

*Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
“Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
Thanks, Kayle.”*


------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. No doubt about it. None. And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?


Thanks,


Magilla

another case of clinical "asthma"
 

On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended

* * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
* * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
* * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
* * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
* * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
* * name of the product.***

* * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
* * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
* * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
* * Thanks, Kayle.”*

------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?

Thanks,

Magilla- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long
suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic
with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the
first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the
weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading
your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol'
cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then.

another case of clinical "asthma"
 

Scott wrote:

On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended

* * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
* * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
* * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
* * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
* * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
* * name of the product.***

* * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
* * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
* * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
* * Thanks, Kayle.”*

------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?

Thanks,

Magilla- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long
suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic
with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the
first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the
weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading
your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol'
cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then.

Yes, yes. This is typical of the people in this sport. Everything is just a
ruse.

Magilla

another case of clinical "asthma"
 

MagillaGorilla wrote:


Yes, yes. This is typical of the people in this sport. Everything is
just a ruse.

Would a ruse by any other name still smell as sweet?

--
Bill Asher

another case of clinical "asthma"
 

MagillaGorilla wrote:
snip
Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande
holding EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note
that read: ìJoe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I
owed you! Thanks, Kayle.î

Amazing.

Actually the amazing thing is that it took this long.

Here's the CAS ruling:
http://tinyurl.com/6kx99r

another case of clinical "asthma"
 

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:20:55 -0800 (PST), Scott
wrote:

On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended

* * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
* * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
* * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
* * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
* * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
* * name of the product.***

* * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
* * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
* * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
* * Thanks, Kayle.”*

------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?

Thanks,

Magilla- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long
suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic
with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the
first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the
weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading
your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol'
cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then.

I was in the parking lot of a race in Maine around that time, and one
of the best regional guys says out loud to everyone -- hey, I forgot
my inhaler, does anyone have any Ventolin? (I think that's what he
said). Which I though was odd.

But what was odder was that a bunch of "I do" came from different
directions in the parking lot.

another case of clinical "asthma"
 

William Asher wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:

Yes, yes. This is typical of the people in this sport. Everything is
just a ruse.

Would a ruse by any other name still smell as sweet?


Is ruse a product of Schwartzsoft?