On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:24:22 -0800 (PST), thirty-six
wrote:

On Jan 17, 2:16*am, " wrote:
On Jan 16, 3:07*pm, thirty-six wrote:



On Jan 16, 9:38*pm, " wrote:

On Jan 16, 12:20*pm, thirty-six wrote:

On Jan 16, 3:22*am, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Jan 15, 8:21*am, thirty-six wrote:

On Jan 14, 7:10*pm, wrote:

*This
effect has been researched with precise measurement and published in
"the Bicycle Wheel" in order to put substance to the claims you make.

I'll remind you for the umpteenth time, your method of measurement was
irrelevant, it was incomplete.

I'm curious about _your_ *measurements, Trevor. *IIRC, you've given no
numbers at all, just your (over)confident pronouncements.

Yes, I have given you the spoke tension typical for my wheels, that of
170lb, giving better tracking over rougher surfaces and a smoother
ride with greater speed than a simple interlaced wheel. *

What evidence do you have of this?

I measured the period of oscillation with a stopwatch, the spoke
circumference and length with a yard stick and throuigh excellent
computational skills, calculated the tension.

Can you cite the study? If you
can't, you ought to say that in your personal experience the wheels
track better and are more comfortable.

Your own measurements are not valid evidence unless published and
accepted by your peers. They are still your personal observations and
your personal experience.

So, again, you can say that in your personal experience and from your
personal observations you find such and such wheels to be better.

What you cannot say is that the wheels are better unless you can point
to the objective and establish research that supports the claim.

"Better" is subjective, my wheels are miles better. I can say this
all day., absolute fact. Tell me why I would want a cheap, economy
class of wheel, other than it's cheap, performs poorly and has magic
poerformed on the spokes.

You are correct:

subjective ~ adj rare
1. taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias
2. of a mental act performed entirely within the mind


However that is not proof of one wheel being measurable better than
another wheel. Merely that you think it is better.

And about as knowing that by putting your tooth under your pillow the
Tooth Fairy will take it and leave a dollar. In fact those who believe
this usually have the dollar to prove it.

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)