On Feb 3, 11:39*am, Duane Hebert wrote:
On 2/3/2011 11:00 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:
Wes *considered Thu, 3 Feb 2011
07:09:51 +0000 (UTC) the perfect time to write:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:25:37 -0600, Tēm ShermĒn °_° wrote:
Anything unpredictable and violating traffic regulations by cyclists
will irritate motorists.
What irritates me is how stupid a lot of them are. I came around a curve
doing about 60mph on a 2 lane highway with no shoulder and came up on a
group of riders riding 3 and 4 abreast and they didn't move over. If
another car had been coming the other way, guess who would have died? It
wouldn't have been me, but some of them.
Then you were driving recklessly.
You should ALWAYS be able to stop within the distance you can see to
be clear.
A group of riders should be no more of a problem to cope with than an
agricultural vehicle, a broken down motor vehicle, an unexpected
traffic queue, or anything else.
"Should" being the operative word here.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Now that's what irritates
motorist.
Only bad ones.
Don't have data to back this up but I would be willing to bet that the
percentage of bad drivers is not close to 0.
* * * * * I just started riding about 8 months ago, and I can assure you,
I won't ride on any road with a speed limit over 35mph that doesn't have
a shoulder to ride on.
You accept being bullied of the road by reckless drivers?
Worse, you seem to participate in the bullying.
* * * * * * * * * * * * I look at it like this.. When riding, I'm just
another bump in the road to someone driving a 3000 lb vehicle, and I stay
way the heck out of their way. Having the right of way doesn't mean crap
when you're dead or in the hospital. if you want to live to my age (64)
or older, I'd suggest you not worry to much about the rules and stay the
hell out of their way. People these days have little respect for anyone,
much less cyclist.
And you think you'll gain any respect by cowering in the gutter?
He said that when the limit is above 35 mph he will only ride on the
road if there's a shoulder. *Doesn't seem unreasonable depending on the
traffic. *
Are you serious? Do you really avoid all shoulderless two-lane roads
in the country? Do you recommend others do that?
Hardly what I'd call cowering in the gutter. *Are you
recommending that he rides 30 k/h in the lane in that circumstance? *If
so, how about at 40 mph limit? *50? *When is it Ok to ride on the
shoulder?
This is a road that I take often to get to Oka park where we play in the
hills:http://tinyurl.com/4u464ox
Looks fine.
Speed limit is 80 k/h around turns and steep grades but 100 k/h when
straight. Traffic is usually a bit heavier as this is a truck bypass
route as well. *Would you suggest staying off the shoulder?
If people want to use an available shoulder, fine, provided it's good
enough to ride. But if there were no shoulder, would you really never
ride there? And what do you do if the shoulder has a spot that's too
rough, or too covered with gravel?
It's beginning to sound like you couldn't ride in most of the places I
enjoy riding!
- Frank Krygowski