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Old November 7th 14, 06:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc
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Default Our wildlands are not outdoor gymnasiums or amusement parks.

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...

Edward Dolan wrote:

It is never best use to permit cycling and hiking on the same
trail. If you weren't such a moron, you would understand that simple

Why Ed ? That's just your opinion. Which I, for one, don't share and I doubt too many others do either.

But your opinion is that of an Asshole Mountain Biker. In other words, your opinion ain’t worth ****!

The fundamental dichotomy facing us is either we open more and more trails to suit single-use groups or ... we share. Sharing creates some issues but unless we want to use up even more of the natural world it has to be the preferred option.

The preferred option is to kick your dumb biker ass off of ALL trails used by hikers.

You have opined, again and again, that sharing isn't possible. Since it works quite well in most locations I guess what you should have written is that sharing isn't possible ... for you. And, given that you have proven yourself selfish to the core, why the **** should anyone care about you and your wants ?

The fact is that sharing does not work well anywhere, most especially if trails become the least bit crowded. What a ****ing Dumb Asshole you are!

The land managers will have to be educated. For the moment,
they are almost as dumb as you are.

You know something ? When everyone you're speaking with, in a position of some authority, is telling you that you're wrong and that you need to share ... they just might be right. You're not a redoubtable missionary for the sanctity of the trails Ed, you're a selfish loner who just wants what you want and b****r everyone else.

The land mangers are not only as dumb as you are, but they are also cowards. They cave to whomever brings the most power to bear despite whatever their original mission might have been. It is why even our National Parks are forever in jeopardy of being ruined by fools like you.

Just as there is no
way that motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles can be permitted on hiking trails
--- because of the conflicts of both means and purpose which applies equally to
bikes. Too bad you can't grasp this most elementary rationale. Until you do, you
might as well be whistling Dixie!

I agree, you can't have powered vehicles sharing certain spaces because of the huge difference in power, weight and speed. However, clearly, some spaces/places can be shared .. and should be.

Bicycles for hikers fall into the same class as motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles. Trails are strictly for walkers.

For the umpteenth time, who owns what is not relevant.

Of course it's relevant you idiot. If I own something and have to pay for its' upkeep then I have certain rights. I am not going to accept that I have to pay for something which a self-righteous minority then informs me I cannot use because it doesn't happen to suit their agenda.

The public lands are being managed by governmental agencies which have very specific missions which are written into law. National Parks and Wilderness Areas are managed quite differently than National Forests and BLM areas because of their different missions. The only idiot here, as usual, is yourself ... and the land mangers who are not upholding their lawful missions.

lands with its trails must be managed for best use. Trails are indeed my church
and the church of all hikers. It is not your church because you do not regard it
as a church, but as a race track for your ****ing sport of mountain biking.

The land managers are doing their best to manage for genuinely best use, as defined by the clearly stated objectives of the parks service. Funnily enough, those objectives don't specifically include satisfying one Ed Dolan !

If you want to have a 'church' then do it on your own land. On public lands, you have to share.

If the land managers were doing their jobs properly, the very first thing they would do is ban bikes from all trails used by hikers. You can’t share what can’t be shared.

are even leading your own children to your ****ed-up sport. You will rue that if
and when they are injured, paralyzed or killed. I have warned you. There are
none so stupid as those who will not heed a warning.

I will take no lessons from you in terms of safety. You acknowledged that roads are far more dangerous but would still displace bikers from trails onto roads because you want to enjoy the trails in solitude.

Some roads are dangerous, others aren’t. Young people who ride bikes are going to be riding on streets and roads regardless of your nutty ideas.

I find your references to children totally and utterly sociopathic; that anyone would think it appropriate to wish death or serious injury to a child simply to advance a narrow recreational activity preference is horrendous. You should apologise, but of course you won't, because you genuinely don't understand, much less care, about anyone else.

The only pathology being presented here is yours. You don’t even care enough about the safety of your own children to prevent them from riding on trails. You and yours deserve whatever happens.

Here is a recent media report from the UK for you to contemplate:

12-year-old boy airlifted to hospital with spinal injuries after
Darwen Moors accident

The teenage boy was flown to Royal Manchester Children's Hospital in
the air ambulance
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First published Thursday 30 October 2014 in News
Last updated 07:23 Thursday 30 October 2014 by Lawrence Dunhill,
Health Reporter

MOUNTAIN bikers have been urged to take care on slippery gravel track
on Darwen Moors after a 12-year-old boy was airlifted to hospital.

The boy was knocked unconscious and suffered suspected head, spinal
and pelvic injuries after falling in an area known as 'Lyon's Den' on
Tuesday afternoon.

It comes after a similar accident on the track earlier this month, in
which a 34-year-old man suffered an open fracture to his elbow.


Bolton Mountain Rescue Team attended Tuesday's incident at about 3pm,
where they stretchered the boy to an air ambulance, before he was
flown to Royal Manchester Children's Hospital.

The boy, from Darwen, had been out riding with his dad and younger brother.

There was a torrential downpour as the emergency crews arrived, so
they deployed a casualty shelter at the scene whilst treatment was
given by the air ambulance staff.

Steve Fletcher, a member of the rescue team, said: "We've had quite a
few mountain biking incidents in that area around Tockholes.

"I'm a mountain biker myself and that bit of track is quite stony and
loose and can get very greasy.

"I would urge people to take extra care there, especially when it's wet."

There have now been nine mountain biking accidents attended by Bolton
Mountain Rescue Team so far this year, compared to 10 during 2013.

A spokesman for the North West Air Ambulance was unable to give
further details of the boy's condition.

However, he was thought to have regained consciousness.

I must admit I am a sociopath when it comes to mountain bikers
on my trails. If looks could kill, they would all be dead and rotting in
cemeteries. As a sign of my respect for mountain bikers who ride their bikes on
trails I would **** on their graves.

Well, yes, if someone was hiking or riding on my land I might feel rather aggrieved too ... oh no, wait, these AREN'T your trails are they Ed ? No, in fact they're public land ! So, you can relax ... no one is riding on your trails at all.

Trails on public lands are OUR trails, They are not yours for doing whatever you want on them. Trails belong to hikers, not to Asshole mountain bikers. A generation ago everyone in the world knew that – even your sainted grandfather!

Mountain bikers are barbarians and have no right to be on any trail used by hikers – unless they want to get off their god damn ****ing bikes and walk like everyone else. When they crash and injure themselves, I rejoice! If and when they manage to kill themselves, I say good riddance to bad rubbish! Death to mountain biking!

“Tread softly! All the earth is holy ground.”
~ Christina Rossetti (Psalm 24),
from "A Later Life: A Double Sonnet of Sonnets"

Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.

Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?

Ed Dolan the Great
Saint Edward the Great


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