On 23/09/18 23:53, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2018 19:10, TMS320 wrote:
On 23/09/18 17:23, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2018 16:34, TMS320 wrote:
On 23/09/18 11:23, wrote:
Road.cc highlights a very salient piece of CCTV evidence in its piece.

https://road.cc/content/news/248771-...ed-karla-roman


"Northcott’s barrister, Harry Bentley, said the coach driver was
"desperately sorry" for Roman's death “and at times he has
considered ending his own life because of it.""

It's necessary to wonder how much his sentence was reduced by this
Â*grovelling. (Compared to 18 months for Charlie Alliston for not
grovelling - and the court seeming to accept that it was the victim
Â*that hadn't paid attention.)

Pleading guilty at the earliest opportunity (that is, once the
charges and evidence have been made available and the strength of the
Â*prosecution case thereby known) and saving the Crown the expense of
a trial is always taken into account as a mitigating factor.

When did Alliston plead guilty?

By any chance do you put posts you read through an English to Scouse
translator, compose your replies in Scouse and translate them back to
English before posting? If you came clean it would explain a great deal.

a) The question I raised was about grovelling, not about admission of
guilt.

The "grovelling" you referred to was as effective an admission of guilt
(in the form of a fairly extreme expression of remorse as well as an
admission that he broke the rules on stop lines at traffic lights) as
anyone could wish for, and certainly not designed as an effective line
of defence.

But did you think the driver literally prostrated himself in court, with
his arms outstretched begging for mercy?

Why would I?

b) The coach driver pleaded not guilty but was found guilty by a jury.
Accord'n ter de Daily Mail.

After he had effectively admitted the offence in his own evidence.

I assume it was through cross-examination. If there is anything to
"admit", is not possible for a defendant to simply change plea during
the proceedings?

(And how come his legal team failed to anticipate the prosecution line
of questioning? Do they lose their fee?)

By way of contrast, the "young gentleman" on the brakeless bike blamed
the victim and completely exonerated himself, praising his own skills to
the skies and contrasting them sharply with the lack of skill on the
part of the woman he killed.

Some part says he was probably right. Although your precis is bound to
be as accurate as the way you always reply to a poster with a question
using an unrelated collection of words.

There's the difference, even if you don't want, and will refuse, to see
and acknowledge it (which I confidently predict).

I thought the courts were supposed to punish actions not opinions.