On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:56:02 +0200, "Dave Stocker"
wrote:

|"P e t e F a g e r l i n" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .
| Apparently you missed this part:
|
| "Unified Rear Triangle (URT) "
|
| "Placements ranges from very close to the BB (Trek/Gary Fisher) to in
| the middle of the downtube (John Castellianos patented "Sweet Spot" on
| for example Schwinn, Ibis)"
|
| The Bow Ti is a URT.
|
|
|No I did not miss it. Just because Ibis used Castellianos' "Sweet Spot", it
|does NOT automatically follow that the Bow Ti is a URT.

Sigh...you can lead a horse to water, but...


|snip more of the same
|
| |
| |The inherent problem with this design is that the rider is in effect
| |standing on the swingarm. This is less of a problem when the rider is
| |seated, but the natural tendency when going over larger obstacles, rough
| |terrain, or technical sections is to stand up, rendering the rear
|suspension
| |almost useless. The flip side to this effect is that during sprinted or
| |climbing out of the saddle, the suspension's lack of movement is
|considered
| |a bonus, as less energy is wasted in suspension movement.
| |
| |There have been several very popular URT bikes in the past, most notably
|the
| |Klein Mantra, the Trek/Gary Fisher Y-bikes, and the Ibis Sweet Spot.
|There
| |have also been twists on the URT design in the form of the GT iDrive and
|the
| |Paul Turner desiged Maverick."
| |
| |LOL! This is all consistent with what I said.
|
| How can it be consistent with what you said, when you claim that the
| Bow Ti should not be labeled as a URT, and each article shows that the
| Bow Ti is a URT?
|
|
|The seated vs standing part is consistent with what I said.

Again, bull****.

You wrote that the suspension is only active if the rider remains
seated. That is incorrect.

As I said
|earlier, there was no specific mention of the Bow Ti in any of these.

The Bow Ti is a Sweet Spot bike----------------URT.

It's really not that difficult.


But
|this is a moot, bucause I already said in my last post that I now agree that
|the Bow Ti is a URT. So what is the problem?

Hmmm...I would ascribe it to some reading comprehension issues on your
part or an inabilty to understand exactly what "Sweet Spot" means (URT
with the pivot located in the middle, rather than at the extremes).