On Monday, August 5, 2013 6:29:06 PM UTC-7, I love Mike wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2013 4:44:20 PM UTC+12, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 6:00:47 PM UTC-7, I love Mike wrote:



On Saturday, August 3, 2013 5:58:19 PM UTC+12, Mike Vandeman wrote:







On Monday, July 22, 2013 4:57:53 PM UTC-7, I love Mike wrote:















See second paragraph below from Vandeman, which was on this group:































































Mike Vandeman































Jul 20































On Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:44:12 PM UTC-7,































































I love Mike wrote: I have challenged you before to provide peer reviewed scientific evidence that mountain biking in damaging NZs natural environment. You have come up with nothing to support your claims. There are reason for this.































































Yeah, the reason is that no one in New Zealand CARES enough to study the negative impacts of mountain biking. All you care about is MONEY! By the way, how are the moa and thylacine doing lately? Learn something about your own endangered species: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10797165































































As illustrated by Vandeman suggesting the thylacine (or tasmanian tiger) was in New Zealand it is obvious Vandeman is a lightweight when it comes to science and environmental issues. In case you don't know Tasmania is not part of New Zealand. It is in Australia.































































More importantly if Vandeman had bothered to read about New Zealand's environmental issues from the scientific community he would quickly discover that the impact of introduced mammals - namely possums, rats, cats and ungulates are the main concerns regarding New Zealand's native biodiversity (I have told of this before numerous times). What's more none of the species in the article Vandeman has provided are directly impacted by mountain biking . Kakapo, for example, are only found in offshore islands which are basically off limits to humans.































































Interestingly what Vandeman won't tell you is that there is actually growing support for more mountain biking in New Zealand's natural areas (ie national parks) from environmental groups and recreationists. The rationale behind this is that people want additional recreational experiences and the negative impact of mountain biking is more imagined than real according to research from our Department of Conservation.































































To me it is obvious that Vandeman, although he pretends to be a scientist is nothing more than an extremist who clearly believes in his own agenda rather than scientific facts. The unfortunate outcome of Vandeman's extremism and irrationality is that he gives the environmental movement a bad name.















No response but I am not surprised. You just look like an idiot asking me how the thyalcine and moa are going! To repeat my point - Tasmania is not part of New Zealand. It is in Australia. Duhhhhhhhhhhh...............







Non sequitur. Tell us again that whopper about the laws of physics and biology being different in New Zealand from everywhere else (including Australia)!



If you had bothered to read about the science regarding new Zealand and Australia's biodiversity issues you would find that the key environmental problems are climate change and the impact of mammalian predators on native biodiversity.



In the case of New Zealand, for example, many of our endangered species such as Kiwi are on the brink of extinction on the mainland because of predation by dogs, stoats, rats and cats etc. The evil mountain bike isn't the cause of decline old chum. A 12 year old could tell you that.



Maybe it would be an idea that you actually did some homework before making statements about another countries environmental issues and mountain biking?

Mountain biking destroys wildlife habitat. That's all we need to know, to ban it.