On 26/10/2015 11:52, Bod wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:48, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 11:27, Bod wrote:

On 26/10/2015 11:16, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2015 08:26, Bod wrote:

The way cycling deaths are treated by police and prosecutors may
need to
change, the former Director of Public Prosecutions has said.

Last year a Freedom of Information request by BBC's Newsbeat found
that
between 2007 and 2014 there were 276 recorded incidents where a
cyclist
was killed in an accident involving a motor vehicle.
Of these, 148 - 54% - resulted in the driver of the vehicle being
charged with an offence. Of those found guilty, fewer than half
went to
prison.

Why need anything "change"?
276/7 = 39 (rounded).
Less than one per week.

A significant proportion of those seem to occur in circumstances where
the cyclist is attempting to undertake a large vehicle (bus, lorry)
which is turning left.

You say the lorry- or bus-driver should go to jail anyway, do you?

If it is deemed by a judge to be the lorry or bus driver's fault, then
of course.

We use the jury system in the UK.

You know what a jury is, yes?

BTW, it's in the highway code that any vehicle can undertake *if* the
traffic to their right is moving slower.

But not that they may undertake when the vehicle ahead is turning left.
And that's the issue.

Undertaking - RAC
www.rac.co.uk › Forum › Driving › General Driving Discussion
8 Sep 2011 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on
your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left.
... However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we
still have careless ...

...yes... and?

You're the one who brought up undertaking. I'm just clarifying the
legality of such a manouvre.

Surely you'd be better dealing with the stupidity of such a manoeuvre
*when* *the* *large* *vehicle* *in* *front* *is* *turning* *left*?