On 2018-03-13 13:41, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 12:58:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-13 12:23, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
Scramento has a huge homeless problem and especially so along
the American River bike path. To the point where it isn't
always safe riding there anymore. It is largely a homemade
problem. The mayor they have now doesn't understand that with
all his throwing moeny and resources at this he is enticing
ever more homeless to move to Sacramento. Free stuff! When he
started this I could notice a substantial drop in the number of
homeless I see along the El Dorado Trail yet the guy does not
I've been buying bus tickets to Sacramento for the dudes camped
along our giant MUP, the Springwater Corridor. I'm glad to see
its paying off -- that and the periodic "sweeps."
I was riding back from the Gorge on Sunday and cut over on the 205
bike path and hit a spot under an over-pass where I could barely
squeeze by all the tents -- and garbage and needles, etc., etc.
F****** incredible pigsty.
Let me know if you come up with a solution. I sure don't have
one -- at least one that doesn't sound like something out of the
Old Testament, or perhaps a modern book on recycling organic
The solution would be our country becoming more conservative. Work
requirements for welfare, less unconditional free stuff, and so on.
The difference in the rate of homelessness in liberal versus
conservative states is striking and Oregon looks worse than even
California (which I hadn't thought was possible).
Nevada is kind of an exception, probably because a lot of hermits and
loners live there. They chose that lifestyle and the low amount of
regulations and little enforcement allows them to spend their days
baking in a dilapidated trailer out in the desert.
This map gives Oregon better numbers:
It doesn't. Oregon has about 10% of inhabintants versus California so
its homeless rate is higher. But only slightly. California is quite bad
in that domain, as evidenced during most of my bike rides.
The other solution is to starve the beast (big government). High
tax states make housing so expensive that too many people are
forced to drop out into the streets. California is a prime example
of that. Try getting a building permit out here, let alone pay for
it. Socialism does not work.
Hmmm. Referring to my map, how do you explain Texas and Florida --
or even Pennsylvania?
Simple: You need to look at the total population and then divide the
number of homeless by that. Texas has almost the number of inhabitants
as California but only a fraction of our number of homeless.
Same with Florida. Half the number of people as in California but less
than a quarter of our homeless.
You're not going to "tough love" a bunch of schizophrenics or drug
addled or brain injured people into getting work. You just push them
further into criminality or they do nothing and die off due to
starvation or exposure.
We have to take a look at how states with a much lower homeless
percentage do it. They usually have a much less generous welfare system
and that is part of the reason. The other is smaller government, lower
taxes and thus more affordable housing. You can buy the same kind of
house for half in Texas versus California.
Not all homeless are druggies. The topper so far was a homeless man whom
I gave some money. It was in Washington D.C., he was well-mannered, a
bit dirty but wore an old suit, with tie!
I mean those are options.
Sure, but out-of-control welfare isn't. Neither is legalizing marijuana
which will backfire, big time.
But, for some reason, those options tend to turn people off. Bunch
of snowflakes! What we need is a longer snow season!
That's the problem, there are shelters but often homeless do not use
them. One thing shelters must do though is to also provide for their
animals. Nobody would go into a shelter and leave their dog to die
outside in a snow storm. I know you don't hold dogs in high regard but
other people do, just as I do.