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Old July 27th 17, 11:26 PM posted to
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Default New bike for Jay

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 10:35:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-27 09:39, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-26 11:07, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 10:23:58 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-26 09:31, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 8:55:05 AM UTC-7, Doug Landau
Can we start speccing out equipment for Jay the way we do
for Jorge?

I'll start with this thing. Jay tell us again what frame
size you ride?

Wow. That's a deal. I ride a 63cm in Cannondale. The OE Ksyrium
wheels are a non-starter. I couldn't keep them true. But
I'd buy that bike, and I was even in SF yesterday. Oh well.

I need two bikes, but both have been or are in the process
of being replaced. I splurged and sort of replaced my
commuter with a CF gravel bike for $1,600. at Western
Bikeworks. An on-sale Norco Search. I couldn't help myself.
It's a bike I've always liked. It's 105 level, which is more
than fine -- and godbless Norco for using the whole component
group and not some FSA or TruVativ crank or Tektro brakes.
This is a fun bike and probably too nice for a commuter, so
who knows, I might buy a beater frame and throw together a
dead of winter commuter. Cannondale will probably give me
something as a replacement for the broken CX frame. I just
didn't want to wait to go through that process, and I wanted
a gravel bike anyway. Hey, keep the economy strong. Bike
sales are down. We have to do our part.

Nice bike though 160/140mm rotors are IMO too wimpy. What always peeves
me and is one reason why I am sticking with my 35 year old
steel frame road bike is that manufacturers of "modern" bikes
seem to assume nobody has to carry anything. No rack attachment
points. Schlepping a laptop, water, food and other stuff in a
backpack is a real pain especially when it's over 100F out
there and the ride is mostly in the sun. When I took delivery
of this full-custom road bike in the early 80's the very first
thing I did was to add lights and a nice big rack. I made sure
the frame I selected had provisions for that.

I even have a full rack (almost all home-made) on my FS-MTB.
Stiffened so the panniers won't sway into the spoked even
during very rough rides. Plus now a top trunk. Detachable in
case a package has to be brought to Fedex along the way. The
available trunks can hold 1-1/2 gallons of water, food,
prototype parts for clients, a tool set and whatever else is

They make bikes for that. You just don't own one. I can go down
the street an buy one.

Sure, but I meant a fast commuter, not a behemoth.

By the way, I bought the CF (not allow) Norco Search:

Interesting, Why did they drop the price so much versus list?

Western Bikeworks has great deals. I got a Garmin 520 bundle for my
son at the Christmas in-store super-sale for about $275 USD. I like
the people there, too. It's internet and bricks-and-mortar.

Lately I find many bike shops going brick&mortar, web site, plus EBay.
What puzzles me happens on a regular basis: I see a part such as a tire
I want on their web site and it's $20. Ok but that's plus shipping which
makes the whole deal a non-starter. Then I go on EBay, find the same
tire for $15, free shipping, same (!) store. Yet there they must pay a
hefty sales commission. Beats me why they do that. An example is
Bikewagon in Utah where I always got free ship on EBay but not direct.

The Search alloy has rack mounts -- not the CF bike. The rotors
are plenty big enough for a gravel bike. The 140mm rotors on my
Cannondale CX bike were more than adequate.

I saw something in the back. Didn't look like a rack mount but if
they are that would be very commendable. You probably aren't a
clyde if 140mm rotors work.

Hmmm. My tandem had two cantis, and my wife and I weighed over 300
lbs. We never had problems stopping, although I did overheat the
rims once coming down Rocky Point. Over the the 12 years I
owned the CX bike, my weight ranged from 193-220lbs. I'm closer to
the bottom end again. I never had problems stopping on my CX bike
with 140 rotors and mechanical discs unless I forgot to adjust the
pads or they wore out on the ride. And I live in a hilly place.

I'm not doing 20 mile 10% descents on the way to work. Maybe the
uber-gnarly steep roads in Cameron Park require 180mm rotors.

Not in Cameron Park which doesn't have long hills but in neighboring
areas. My MTB buddy weighs around 200lbs, his MTB has 8"/7" rotors, and
then it happened. Before the last sharp turn down a long descent he lost
his front brake.

I don't need a cargo bike. I want something fun to ride on gravel
and through the hills on the way home. If I found myself in need
of a rack, I'd buy a beater frane with rack mounts -- which I
might do.

So you don't carry much back and forth? I did a valley trip
yesterday. Hot day and the extra water alone filled more than one
pannier. On the way back there are no fountains until 3mi before I
am home.

No, again, I don't need a cargo bike. And in a lifetime of riding,
I've hauled water once -- riding across Wyoming in a place where it
was 60 miles between towns. I rode from Seattle to Portland in a day
with peak heat in the 90s and probably filled my bottles four times.
No water bags. No racks. Just two water bottles that I filled every
50 miles. The distance from Cameron Park to Sacramento is 34 miles.
If you need water bags for that, then you are a special person.

Yeah, I sweat a lot which I inherited from my dad. However, riding tens
of miles in 100F weather with just a bottle or two is not healthy for
anyone unless you can fill up many times on the way. Any reputable
sports physician would tell you the same. So does the army.

I generally carry three 28oz bottles plus one or two 17oz electrolyte
ones. On long MTB rides with no safe drinking water source I carry up to
1-1/2 gallons total. On those rides I often meet people, mostly hikers,
with serious signs of dehydration. Some of my water occasionally goes to

Again, I'm talking about a road bike. I've run out of water and been miserable for a while, but I've always found water. I'm alive today, mostly.

The topper was a guy in Yosemite Park who seriously had planned to hike
up from the valley to the top of half dome and back, carrying little
water and no food. IIRC he had a couple of small bottles which were all
empty by then. We found him collapsed in bushes near the trail shortly
before you get to the ropes. If I hadn't gazed out into the nature right
there I wouldn't even have seen him and this guy was in major trouble.
Similar for a Chinese woman in Grand Canyon. And on and on.

I know people who killed themselves by drinking too much water. Google hyponatremia.

I've done the hike from Glacier Point to Half Dome a bunch of times. I usually stopped for water at Nevada Falls. I don't know why your guy was dropping dead at the cables. Dopes do dopey things.

They don't let you down into the Grand Canyon unless you have water, so I don't know what the deal was with your Chinese woman, either. Maybe she did some Kung Fu on the rangers who check your backpack for water, etc., and ran down the trail.

I've been riding a really long time -- continuously. No decade off for bad traffic. Never have I needed to take multiple gallons of water on a road ride, including rides across the US from east to west and north to south (west coast). I've done the Sierra many times, including the Death Ride twice -- which is really well supported, so no need for oodles of spare water. But even on tour, I think I had a couple of bottles for a loop from now-burning Mariposa/Yosemite/Lee Vining/Tahoe/HWY 49 back to Mariposa. I had two bottles on every other tour but did have a water bag that I mostly used as a blow-up pillow -- except in Wyoming.

I did screw up and forget to buy food on a bike tour in Oregon. My wife and I ended up eating blackberries for dinner. There have been other food or drink mistakes, but nothing epic. Riding down the wasteland of the California coast, we ran out of gin and tonic -- until we hit the Little River Inn. It was horrible! Ah ha! I did run out of water on that ride -- between HWY 1 south of Mendocino and Cloverdale, riding inland over the mountains which were more mountain-y than expected. We found a little winery in the middle of nowhere and filled up. We were headed toward a town that turned out not to be there. Very odd.

-- Jay Beattie.


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