On 10/31/2017 9:35 AM, wrote:
On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 12:47:01 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 9:32:05 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 8:51:55 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 7:09:00 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 9:59:00 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 12:00:37 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 8:36:50 PM UTC, wrote:

The White Anglo Saxon majority loved her so much that the government funded Planned Parenthood which are almost entirely in or on the fringes of minority neighborhoods to kill off those that they see not fit to live.

The vast majority of the abortions today are of Black and Hispanic children. Planned Parenthood is an outright white-supremacist organization. The feminists who lobby and march for abortion ditto.

Or you could cast it as a class war, rather than as a race war.

Asians and middle- and upper-class whites tend to marry and have stable families and not have abortions. But they are ofttimes the same people who lobby for abortion and Planned Parenthood (which they neither need nor use) which kills the children mainly of Black and Hispanic mothers, who don't have stable families, or any families at all (the absent father syndrome). That's definitely a class war.

One wonders how self-styled progressives can wander so far away from their vaunted multicultural humanitarianism, unless it was never sincere to begin with.

The problem with blacks is pretty clear - they have been taught by their black leaders to look for approval from the white man. They haven't any racial pride. They have a wino's outlook on life.

No matter how many great black achievers there are the media always points out the blacks kneeling in a football stadium. It wouldn't do for blacks to get the idea that blacks can do anything that whites can.

"Oh please great white man, be nice to me because what you think is the beginning and ending of my world."

Do you know that after WW II the black race ALMOST made it back to humanity? That in the war blacks learned that no one cared what color you were. That the only thing that counted was that you were an American and would cover your back?

But black leaders could see money signs in their eyes by playing the race card and achieved the re-development of racism beyond their wildest imagination.

Blacks are the only racial group that have had their own achievements hidden by their own leaders. Dr. King, who actually had self appreciation, in his speech before the million man march noted that a third of the marchers were whites who wanted to express their disgust with the white establishment. This as if the only thing that counted was the approval of whites and not the blacks making their own mark.

I am old enough to remember when blacks had to sit in the back of the bus. In Oakland of all places. Why was that? BECAUSE that was the way it always was. Almost none of the whites questioned it but none of them could care less where a black sat. I was on the Key System bus when a old black lady got on the bus with a load of groceries. She looked towards the back of the bus and just couldn't face walking back there. It was a common working white man, himself weary from a day of work, that jumped up and offered that lady his seat. The black driver wouldn't move the bus because it was against regulations and he didn't want to get himself in trouble. It was the other white passengers that cried for him to go on. Almost instantly that was the end of segregation on a bus system.

Perhaps that was bad. Perhaps the blacks should have cleared that matter up themselves. Later I read that it was really a movement of old black ladies but I was there and I saw what happened. It was one lady and it was the common working man who had had it up to the necks with a white establishment who were set in their ways.

There was a recent movie (Calculators or some such) about three black women who were mathematicians with NASA in Florida. There was a complaint by a white manager that the blacks were late to meetings to which one of them (finally) pointed out that the bathrooms were segregated and she had to go clear across the campus to use the facilities. As should have been the case the manager picked up a shovel took everyone out and knocked down that "whites only" sign. No one complained. But of course the movie insinuated that there was grumbling among the whites. Unlikely. The only reason that there were segregated bathrooms was because of the post civil warm anger that 440,000 soldiers of the Confederacy were killed and the Union blamed it upon slavery instead of the true cause of taxation of farm produce that didn't apply equally to the industrialized north.

If the blacks are EVER going to end their own racism it is going to be by taking pride in their own racial achievements. Only as a passing comment they explained in the movie that those three black ladies made great achievements an moved up the ranks of NASA not because they were black but because they were competent. Why wasn't that the centerpiece of the movie instead of making it look like whites stood in their way their entire careers?

Andre - what would be your reaction to someone being promoted in front of you? Would you immediately think that it was some sort of discrimination or some natural process? I was promoted from technician to jr. engineer, to full engineer and then to project manager and then section manager.

They wouldn't promote me beyond that because those above were like Frank and valued "formal education" over ability. So I began taking college classes. Sitting in classrooms after working an 8 hour day to hear someone telling me what I already knew. Finally I said screw this and let them eat cake.

How is that job application going?

- Frank Krygowski

Which one? I could get a dozen jobs were I to move from California. Since my wife won't go for that I have to watch Silicon Valley dissolving in the belief that you need a formal education to perform tasks that a technician could do.

Abbot Laboratories hasn't called yet. They are offering half the wage that their position would require. Do you suppose that is a serious job or an "it would be nice" position?

The electric car company to offer competition to Tesla seems to be falling apart now. They have advertised for engineering staff but never seem to hire anyone. They too have your really intelligent mindset that you need a formal education in order to screw everything you touch up.

Several other medical instrument companies cannot even read my resume because the headhunters will not submit a resume of someone that hasn't worked in three years. Again you cannot perform simple duties without a formal education.

Where did that get you again?

Where did education get Frank? Is that the question? (Hand shooting up at back of class). Me, me! I can answer that one!

Uh, it got Frank a nice retirement free from concern over the cost of beef and a house in a village -- which sounds nice so long as its not The Village. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Ffr1U7KMY From what I can tell, it means no roving hordes of illegals and thugs. It sounds like he's got a pretty good life, except for riding lane center all the time without a helmet. Plus, Ohio is too cold for me.

Do you mean by not using his formal major but instead becoming a teacher with much greater retirement benefits? Had I stayed a BART technician my retirement would presently be three or four times what I am presently making.

So that is no argument at all.

Yes, but the position requiring a college education may have produced a retirement benefit ten times what you are making. If your existing 401K is only paying $500 a month, ten times that would be $60K/year, which is well within range for a PERS retirement benefit for a management employee/teacher and probably below the benefit paid to a professor.

If you went into private employment, you might make more or less, and in some employments you would have been exposed to some pension fund risk, but generally speaking, a college education will net you more income during and after your work life. http://www.frbsf.org/economic-resear...tuition-wages/

There are very few jobs in which you could make more than I was making at the height of my career.

Then you must have made some really bad decisions, based on your
complaints about your present life and finances.

The real question now is why do they not even consider someone without a degree when a resume shows experience far and away more than necessary to fulfill a position?

First, I'll note that I don't think we should be pushing college degrees
as necessary for every person and every job. I think we should be giving
higher social status to skilled workers like machinists, technicians,
etc. with practical certificates and training.

But for certain positions a college degree requirement makes sense to
those doing the hiring. As I stated earlier, in addition to a certain
minimal foundation and depth of knowledge, it demonstrates a certain
amount of discipline. It also generally correlates with at least a bit
of culture and civility.

Regarding knowledge, let's pick a neutral discipline as an illustration.
Say two flute players apply for a position in some orchestra. One
application lists a bunch of bands he's played with, several recordings
he's on, a few nice sounding events at which he's played. The other
lists the same, but also a degree or two in music performance.

An orchestra's leadership would be much more confident that the latter
was capable of playing many types of music, could play in every possible
key, and would fit in socially with other players - that is, with those
who had taken courses in music appreciation, composition, theory, music
history, not to mention things like English literature, basic math and
maybe even business.

Sure, for some jobs that wouldn't matter. A ten second flute passage in
the key of D behind a TV commercial? A gig with a punk band? Touring
with the Grateful Dead? No degree necessary. Heck, I have one friend who
toured nationally with a well-known Nashville-based singer, and my
friend doesn't even read music.

But for other positions, it's reasonable to give preference to someone
with a degree. And in situations where there may be hundreds of
applicants, employers can reasonably make it a requirement.

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- Frank Krygowski