On Apr 18, 12:06*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:11*am, Frank Krygowski wrote:









On Apr 18, 2:07*am, Michael Press wrote:

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On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:51:38 AM UTC-4, Michael Press wrote:
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*Frank Krygowski wrote:

Ohio DOT now has an email address devoted to the problem. *Ohio

cyclists can send email to *describing

the problem at the sensor. *They'll contact the responsible party to

get it adjusted. *I've not tried this myself (the ones I pass seem to

work well for me) but I've heard others have had good success. *Other

states should do something similar.

It's a lot less hassle to just ride across when it's clear.

Some people try to fix problems, some people don't.

Enough people quietly following a path create change.

You are too far up on your high horse to see this.

Michael, please explain how enough cyclists quietly riding through red lights would spontaneously get the lights' sensors to detect cyclists. *Seems to me it would require _someone_ to tell _someone_ about the problem.

What magic did you have in mind?

It's your question.

You seem to have no answer.

If conduct becomes so prevalent that prohibition is impossible, then
prohibition will stop, either because government does not have the
resources to prosecute the violators or because legislators will
eventually get the picture and change the law. *That doesn't help
those who were prosecuted, though -- and I doubt that running non-
responsive lights will become so prevalent that prohibition, viz.,
enforcement of the traffic laws, will stop. *The smart approach is to
get the ear of a legislator, propose some legislation and change the
laws. *It's much easier than one might think, particularly in a
smallish state like Oregon. *I just have to sit down and write a bill
and then dump it on one of my legislator acquaintances and see if I
can get some traction.

That's what we're working on here in Ohio, too. We just missed a
chance at an almost automatic law improvement, via an amendment in the
state's budget bill, so we're back to collecting sponsors and co-
sponsors.

Another avenue would be to lobby for inclusion of a bicycle test
standard in the manual and/or the official state procedure for setting
sensitivity of traffic light detectors. I think it's probably best to
work on both of those fronts.

And I think it's best to pay no mind to the people who mock efforts to
make things better for cyclists.

- Frank Krygowski