On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 7:18:09 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:43:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 1:02:36 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 8:34:20 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:50:52 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 4:33:54 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
My friend just returned from Italy on a tour up the entire length of the east coast.

He visited the factory that built his and his wife's custom steel frames.

They also build carbon fiber frames and sponsor a Pro team. When Mike asked them about their reliability the company official that was showing them around said that he would not recommend ANYONE buying a carbon fiber frameset.

He said that pro teams replace their framesets generally each race because they cannot take the chance injuring a rider with a failure. This is a famous Italian marque that has made bicycles since 1957. So the opinion of the factory should bear some weight.


Tommasini began making bicycles in 1957. And they still make steel bikes. And offer custom frames. So we will assume your friend and his wife were riding Tommasini bikes and stopped at their factory in Grosseto, Italy. Grosseto is on the WEST coast of Italy 100 miles north of Rome. But you said their tour was on the EAST coast of Italy. Seems your story already has some facts wrong. But I understand wrong facts do not deter you folks.

I am sure Tommasini has sponsored pro teams in the past. So that part of your story is believable. And as pointed out by others, your story has a lot of pieces in it. Your friend told you what he heard from the tour guide at the Tommasini factory. Generally truth is best if it comes directly from the source. Not two or three interpreters in between. And of course how knowledgeable a tour guide is about the quality of carbon bikes is a question. I worked for a utility company. But I do not know how good our gas and electric repairmen were at their jobs. Are you going to ask the GM factory worker how accurate and credible the financial statements are?

Now I am assuming you have never ever worked for anyone in your entire life. I say that because most, all, people with current jobs, do not denigrate their own company during working hours. Yet you tell us that the company tour guide denigrated his own company's carbon bikes during a guided tour. That would be very similar to Andy Muzi's employees telling customers that Andy is an A Hole and is the worst bike mechanic in Madison or Wisconsin. And they had better run away from Andy's shop. Maybe that happens, but I doubt it.

Are you telling us that touring the east coast of Italy doesn't allow one to take a detour to visit Rome and Grossetto before returning to the east coast to see Venice?

At what point in reality do you start designing the tour plan for other people? As I stated - this man spent 30 years as a detective. Explain to us all how many years were you a federal detective? The level of ignorance of people like you is grossly understated even by me.

What factory? Why all the intrigue? Just tell us where he had his bike made. Any proud owner of a custom frame will tell you where it was made, assuming the decals aren't enough. What name is on his frame? I can tell you the names on all my friends' frames. Isn't this NCIS guy your friend?

-- Jay Beattie.

The comments in which a company said that the products they made were not considered by them to be the most reliable were told to me in confidence and that last person in the world I would tell that to is a lawyer.


An interesting "out" for someone caught lying. Just say, "Oh! that is
classified", and everything will be O.K.

I don't know about civilian life but in the USAF to even admit to
knowing that certain classified information existed could be deemed a
violation of the regulations.

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Cheers,

John B.

Now you going to tell us that you were in the Air Force? Or that you have even an idea of what security protocols are in the military?

Well yes, I was in the A.F. for twenty years. Why do you not believe
it? After all you at 75 are certainly old enough to remember all those
cowards that fled to Canada to avoid having to go in the service.
Well, I didn't.
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Cheers,

John B.

Bone spurs!!! And four student draft deferments. Patriotic, Bible thumping, flag waving, Ivy League Wharton graduates don't scamper off to Canada to shirk serving in their country's military.