On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:26:28 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 1:48:50 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 12:31:41 AM UTC-7, Chalo wrote:
They came up with one crappy product that ruined countless bikes, and then they used borrowed money to buy up a bunch of more serious manufacturers and make those products crappier.

I'm not as impressed about that as Forbes is.

Looking at it I cannot see why you would want to pay big bucks for a group that wouldn't only shift one gear at a time. I did a metric yesterday and never got out of the small ring and had to shift at least two gears on every one of the million rollers. With Campy or Shimano that's easy.

Sram red shifts up four at once, the SRAM force shifts up three at once. Both down only one. I do kind of miss my old Chorus Ergo group that let me shift down three at once, but not enough to justify the cost.

Another thing I don't like about double-tap is it requires too much intelligence. If you're on your last cog and think you've got one cog left and hit the shifter, it drops you down a cog -- kind of the opposite of what you wanted. With Shimano, you're just reminded that there's nothing left -- and that you are old and decrepit and need more cogs. As far as shifting loads of cogs at a time, that's never been a big issue for me. I have a bump-stock on my shifters -- well, fast fingers.

-- Jay Beattie.

All this up two and down three shifting seems to be quite complicated.
I use down tube mounted friction shifters and can shift from on side
of the chain wheel or rear sprocket set to the other in one pull/push
of the lever.

(Talk about FAST SHIFTING:-)
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Cheers,

John B.