In rec.bicycles.tech Jay Beattie wrote:
:On Oct 17, 11:51Â*am, David Scheidt wrote:
: In rec.bicycles.tech Dan O wrote:
: :On Oct 17, 9:07Â*am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
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: : andhttp://www.portlandmercury.com/images/blogimages/2012/10/16/135040395...
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http://www.portlandmercury.com/image...0/16/135040395...
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: : The letter's interesting. Â*Since the green paint in the bike boxes is
: : not magically protecting people when they're to the right of a right
: : turning vehicle, Portland has a new plan: Â*_Dashed_ green paint!
: :
:
: :It *is* interesting. Â*"Bicycle use and volumes have increased
: :significantly since the treatments were installed", and "Police
: :investigation and reporting practices have changed since the
: :treatments were installed, resulting in a higher rate of reporting for
: :bicycle involved crashes".
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: :The 4 locations responsible for the increase are all downhill (?)
: :Hmmm... might this be what experiments are for?
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: :The remaining 7 locations had a decrease in right hook crashes, even
: :though use and volumes have increased significantly since the
: :treatments were installed (?)
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: Don't expect rational discussion of safety from Frank. Â*He knows what
: the answers are. Â*Facts will just infuriate him.
:Reading the article, the problem is not with bike boxes but is with
:bike lanes -- riders remaining in the bike lane when approaching a
:green light. In that situation, the right turning car has to yield to
:the bicyclist and is, in effect, turning from the second lane over.
:The problem is that car don't know that, nor do they look for traffic
:approaching on the right. One day they might, but now they don't.
:So, we have the classic example of someone being legally "right" but
:getting smushed anyway. The q
Oh, it's clear that some of these boxes and their approach lanes are
designed by ocelots on crack. But Frank is assuming that because a
particular instance of something is bad, they all are, even when the
data from portland shows that some of them seem to work.
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