On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote:
On 6/7/2020 11:42 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:25:13 UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2020 1:14 PM, Mark J. wrote:
On 6/7/2020 11:05 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/7/2020 9:50 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, 7 June 2020 10:43:20 UTC-4,
 wrote:
Op zondag 7 juni 2020 16:35:52 UTC+2 schreef Frank
Krygowski:
On 6/7/2020 10:17 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, 7 June 2020 06:35:42 UTC-4, Wolfgang
Strobl wrote:
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The owner of a bicycle shop, whom I consulted for
getting a replacement
shifter tried to convince me to use a an older
shifter, he called them
"Wäscheleinenschalthebel", clotheeslines shifter,
because these didn't
have this - to him - well known reliability
problem. For me, this
wasn't an option, because I very much rely on my
large handle bar bag.

My wife rides a Scott bicycle with the older 105 3x10
version of the
group, which actually has these clotheslines.

https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/scott.png

She actually would like to have a decent handlebar
bag, too, but alas,
that's not possible her. On the positive side, those
shifters work
flawlessly, so far.
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I've seen people using those exposed "clothesline"
shifter cable housings to clip their route crib sheets
to. they put the sheets inside a clear plastic cover
and then use a couple of binder clips to clip them to
those cable housings.

Some other people apparently have use the noodles from
V-brakes to direct those cable housings away from
their handlebar bag.

https://thecrazyrandonneur.wordpress...-sti-shifters/



A good tip, I think. I've seen people cram a small
handlebar bag in
there by just letting those "clothesline" cables flex
out of the way.
The noodles look much more elegant.


--
- Frank Krygowski

If you still see the clotheslines models is prove of the
reliability of STI.

Lou

I find it to be quite interesting that Campagnolo had
their Ergo shifter cable routed under the handlebar
tape/wrap LONG before Shimano did.

Cheers


Ergos have an undocumented (probably unintended as well)
design feature;Â The gear wire wraps on its capstan in a
different plane from STi so although they do fail, they
fail less often and the cable stumps don't jam inside. As
Ergo riders have discovered, the first frays of a gear
wire stick through the rubber cover into the rider's palm,
just enough to notice, before the wire breaks altogether.

Agree entirely with the Ergo description. I have felt the
"Ergo prick in the palm" [restrain your dirty minds!] many
times over 20 years using Ergo, but I never knew it was a
design feature.

Mark J.


I suspect that was not intended, but you have to admit you'd
not think about gear wire replacement otherwise.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

The other thing I liked about my 2001 (-speed Mirage Ergos was that they could be rebuilt. In fact you could rebuild them as either 8-speed, 9-speed or 10-speed. IIRC the kit was $50.00

Cheers

Exactly. I've rebuilt Campy levers 4-5 times (20+ years and I shift a
LOT). I'm tolerating the Shimanos that came on my gravel bike a lot
more, though, than I did the ones on my Domane - those long since
swapped for Campy. Maybe I /can/ store two distinct shift motions in my
subconscious - subconscious for when the brain goes on holiday toward
the top of long killer climbs.

Campy's newer models, at least the mid-range, appear to be
non-rebuildable. It would be great if they simply don't /need/ it. I'm
not clear on the consensus around recent Shimano brifters. I read fewer
complaints about scrapped, malfunctioning and non-repairable Shimano
brifters these days than, say, ten years ago.

Mark "shifts two ways?" J.

I am told by my friend that Record 12 speed are not rebuildable. I think 10 and below are rebuildable, but Andrew can confirm.

-- Jay Beattie.